'Dr Dino' offers strategy for addressing Darwinian inaccuracies

Agape Press ^ | March 6, 2006 | Jim Brown

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(AgapePress) - A Christian evangelist known as "Dr. Dino" advocates a three-pronged approach to countering public school textbooks that use faulty evidence for Darwinian evolution.

Dr. Kent Hovind says instead of trying to get intelligent design or creationism taught in public schools, the main objective of critics of evolution should be requiring accuracy in science textbooks. Hovind, the founder of Florida-based Creation Science Evangelism, notes many states already have laws requiring textbooks to be accurate -- and if they do not, he says, teachers should have the right to correct any inaccuracies in those books.

"Jesus lived in the Roman Empire and did not spend any time trying to change the Roman Empire. He just changed people, one at a time," Hovind points out. "And I think the grassroots approach of changing people is bulletproof -- I mean, there's nothing you can do to stop that."

He continues, saying the "second level of attack" would involve changing teachers. "Get the teachers converted or at least knowledgeable on the topic, where they know what the truth is," he suggests. "Then it doesn't matter what the textbook says, because the teacher's not going to teach it anyway -- or the teacher's going to teach it and expose the error."

Hovind says a third and more difficult plan of attack would be to change existing textbook requirements at the state level. But in that aspect, he laments, Darwinists are beating Christians to the punch.

"The atheists are really good at getting involved in the committees that select the state standards for education," he says. "Now, you can get five or ten atheists in your state that actually control what everybody is taught."

Once those individuals get on the committee, he says, "They'll vote -- they'll lobby the senators and representatives, and they'll say, 'We want you to vote in this legislation that requires the following things to be our state standards for education.'"

Later this month, Hovind will be holding a two-day seminar at the Pennsylvania high school a federal judge recently barred from mentioning intelligent design in biology class.

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defeating Darwinism one step at a time alert.

[From many - one.]

aaaargh-ping

[connectthedots]

Progess is being made on a weekly basis.

[Senator Bedfellow]

A Christian evangelist known as "Dr. Dino" advocates a three-pronged approach to countering public school textbooks that use faulty evidence for Darwinian evolution.

Is "pay your taxes" one of the prongs?

[King Prout]

this article deserves a

PLACEMARKER

[Cedric]

Evolutionists, as opposed to true scientists, are not interested in seeking Truth, instead they are committed to manipulating facts and evidence to conform to their circular reasoning and predefined conclusions.

[js1138]

Get teachers converted to what?

[Tim Long]

Six Days Ping

I like Hovind's science, but he has said things like America was involved in 9/11 that put me off. I listen to his radio show, however (although the connection cuts off frequently).

[Zeroisanumber]

Evolutionists, as opposed to true scientists, are not interested in seeking Truth, instead they are committed to manipulating facts and evidence to conform to their circular reasoning and predefined conclusions.

I have never seen a better example of classic projection. Sigmund Freud would be proud.

[trashcanbred]

The Pennsylvania high school I assume is Dover, PA. Where the pro-ID school board was summarily voted out and replaced with a new pro-evolution school board.

How is it Evolutionists are atheists? Even the Vatican isn't against evolution... are they atheists too?

[opinionator]

Evolutionists, as opposed to true scientists, are not interested in seeking Truth, instead they are committed to manipulating facts and evidence to conform to their circular reasoning and predefined conclusions.

What about those who claim that the Earth is round? They're very stubborn too.

[From many - one.]

Umm. Er-r? Wazzat?

Maybe I'm just iggerant.

[mc6809e]

He continues, saying the "second level of attack" would involve changing teachers. "Get the teachers converted...

Oh great. We've got someone here that thinks science should be guided by religious prejudice. Shameful. Just shameful.

[Lunatic Fringe]

God: "I refuse to prove my existence. For proof denies faith. And without faith, I am nothing."

Man: "But the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."

"Oh dear", God says, "I hadn't though of that." And vanishes in a poof of logic.

"Well that was easy", says Man, and for an encore, goes onto prove that black is white, and gets himself killed in the next zeebra crossing.

[Tim Long]

What about those who claim that the Earth is round? They're very stubborn too.

Common evolutionist ploy:
Creationism = Geocentrism

[Coyoteman]

the main objective of critics of evolution should be requiring accuracy in science textbooks

Accuracy? Like people and dinosaurs coexisting?

Sorry, no science here. Nothing to see. Move on.

[mc6809e]

I like Hovind's science...

Let me fix that for you.

I like Hovind's magic...

That's better.

[Fester Chugabrew]

. . . barred from mentioning intelligent design in biology class.

Wouldn't want the keepers of the truth to be challenged. Nosiree. If it's organized matter performing specific functions we dare not even utter the words "intelligent design" lest the Church of Organized Matter and Intelligent Design be exposed and its treacherous plans for science be found out.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Next up for Intelligent Designers:

- The World is Still Flat
- Dinosaurs: Evil Myth
- Euthanasia is Murder, but Capital Punishment is A-OKAY!

[Tim Long]

Yep, killing murderers is A-OKAY.

[PatrickHenry]

Evolution Ping The List-O-Links

A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 350 names. See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped. To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit, and How to argue against a scientific theory.

[Renderofveils]

defeating Darwinism one step at a time alert Careful, your agenda's showing. And some points about the article:

the main objective of critics of evolution should be requiring accuracy in science textbooks

Accuracy according to whom? Those that report observable, repeatable experiments, or those that want to forward their own personal beliefs? And yes, I know that the two sometimes overlap. My point is, until Creationism brings something to the table (outside of Biblical references) science will not accept it. Nor would I, if someone came to me with a theory only backed by a single source.

Jesus lived in the Roman Empire and did not spend any time trying to change the Roman Empire

And apocalyptists today don't waste their time lobbying Congress. They too try to convince people that the world is about to end, one person at a time. Why? Because they, like Jesus, know that they lack the political and military power (and sometimes know-how) and will wind up without a leg to stand on.

Get the teachers converted...

That about says it all, doesn't it?

[King Prout]

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If they back evolution, they are fundamentally wrong in their teaching. The Bible states, firstly that God created "man" from the dust of the earth. It doesn't teach that God created man from an ape, who subsequently evolved from something else. Anyone who teaches and/or studies the bedrock of the scriptures would know that. I wouldn't say that all evolutionist are Atheist, I would however state that Christians who believe in evo are horribly mislead, or inept in their scripture.

[Tim Long]

My point is, until Creationism brings something to the table (outside of Biblical references) science will not accept it.

No, science does not accept it because it pays no attention to Creationism's non-Biblical arguments.

[RightWhale]

Evolutionists, as opposed to true scientists

It is probably true that evolutionists should be doing science rather than getting involved in this, but adding scholaticism to dogma leaves dogma.

[VadeRetro]

Dr. Kent Hovind says instead of trying to get intelligent design or creationism taught in public schools, the main objective of critics of evolution should be requiring accuracy in science textbooks.

Somebody should be requiring accuracy in Dr. Dino.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Yep, killing murderers is A-OKAY.

I think Jesus would disagree.

[Tim Long]

I think Jesus would disagree.

Give me a shred of evidence, FRiend.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Give me a shred of evidence, FRiend.

Hmm, evidence that Jesus may oppose capital punishment?

[DocRock]

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[srweaver]

Why do you think Jesus would disagree? God is the one who instituted capital punishment in Genesis 9:6, which is affirmed in the New Testament in Romans 13:4.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Like people and dinosaurs coexisting?

If a dinosaur were to be found in some remote area of the world today co-existing with nearby peoples the theory of evolution would not be effected in the least. Why should it be? One may simply change the definition of dinosaur, or rule out the particular creature that was found as belonging to that category of creature. The opportunities for ad hoc modification abound when one has as a guiding principle that anything and everything can be explained only by natural causes.

[srweaver]

As to your example of Jesus' crucifixion, he was not a murderer, therefore he was unjustly executed by the "state."

The Bible does differentiate between the shedding of innocent blood (murder) and the shedding or execution of the guilty (justice).

"Thou shalt not kill" refers to murder, and not justice.

[sagar]

"Next up for Intelligent Designers:
- The World is Still Flat
- Dinosaurs: Evil Myth
- Euthanasia is Murder, but Capital Punishment is A-OKAY!"

I am an evolutionist and think ID isn't really science. But I agree with their last point.

Euthanasia is indeed murder. And capital punishment is too. But that doesn't make capital punishment not-okay. Murdering criminals is A-OKAY!

[Fester Chugabrew]

"I lay down My life for the sheep." Clearly a case where capital punishment of the most severe kind was not only unopposed, but volunteered on the part of Him through Whom all things were made.

[Coyoteman]

If a dinosaur were to be found in some remote area of the world today co-existing with nearby peoples the theory of evolution would not be effected in the least. Why should it be? One may simply change the definition of dinosaur, or rule out the particular creature that was found as belonging to that category of creature. The opportunities for ad hoc modification abound when one has as a guiding principle that anything and everything can be explained only by natural causes.

The claim that dinosaurs and humans coexisted is based on the young earth concept and often tied in to the supposed global flood.

The current dates on dinosaurs show them going defunct some 60+ million years ago. Humans didn't start running around until some time around 4-5 million years ago.

There is a gap of some 55 million years.

Its going to take a lot of science-twisting to make that go away. But Fester, I have faith in you!

[Tim Long]

You think Christ regretted dying for our sins or opposes justice? With all due respect, I hope you have better reasoning for believing in evolution.

[job]

If Jesus disagreed, then why did he not save the two criminals that were crucified with Him?

[Tim Long]

Mayhaps you are referring to Mokele-mbembe? : )

[Central Scrutiniser]

Perhaps Dr. Dino should offer strategy on what to do when you are caught cheating on your taxes.

Hovind is a joke and a grifter.

[Central Scrutiniser]

[CarolinaGuitarman]

*Dr.* Dino has a fake doctorate and is not and has never been a scientist Placemarker

[Fester Chugabrew]

It's going to take a lot of science-twisting to make that go away.

I didn't have to do a thing to make what were once considered "prehistoric" creatures to be found in the present day. These finds do not effect the believers in evolution one bit, and neither would a find of, for example, a Brontosaurus in some remote place on the Earth. Not even a resurrection from the dead would convince science that creation and all of history are subsumed under the hand of God.

[Lunatic Fringe]

With all due respect, I hope you have better reasoning for believing in evolution.

I do. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than religion.

[Coyoteman]

Fester, the 55 million year gap I mentioned in post #37 is still there.

Try again?

[Tim Long]

There was no Brontosaurus. It was an Apatosaurus. (For future reference.) : )

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"...the 55 million year gap I mentioned in post #37 is still there."

Yeah!?? PROVE that dinosaurs don't exist still!!


:)

[bobdsmith]

Evolutionists, as opposed to true scientists, are not interested in seeking Truth, instead they are committed to manipulating facts and evidence to conform to their circular reasoning and predefined conclusions.

It's like you've got a little Sun Tzu's Art of War Against Evolution book you are pulling these gems from

[Fester Chugabrew]

Would the gap still be present if a dinosaur were found today? The only gaps you find are in bones and fossils. We can make them tell any story we wish. You seem to be proficient in stories of all kinds.