Posted on 03/12/2006 2:26:43 PM PST by Dada Orwell
As always, eager am I to get the Freeper take on latest developments in the Free State:
New Hampshire House votes to defy Fed ID March 12, 2006
Libertarians are celebrating after the New Hampshire House of Representatives voted 270-84 to refuse cooperation with the hated "Real ID" act. Real ID is a Federal mandate which attempts to force states into a standardized drivers license system at taxpayer expense. Freedom advocates argue it would be at the expense of privacy as well, giving the Feds too much power along the way. Federal officials have said it would help them track terrorists and criminals.
"Give me liberty or give me death," said State Rep Neal Kurk, speaking in favor of the bill on the House floor. The chamber roared with applause.
House Bill 1582 forbids all state agencies from participation in Real ID mandates, and asserts that Real ID "is contrary and repugnant to Articles 1 through 10 of the New Hampshire constitution..."
The lopsided anti-Federal vote was a shock even to proponents of the bill. Real ID passed the U.S. Senate 100-0 last year and generated little debate. But as states like New Hampshire have taken a closer look at what it will require of them, liberty activists and local government officials have been teaming up to draw a line in the sand between Washington and their own states.
New Hampshire in particular has become increasingly restive since 2003, when it became a migratory destination for "Free Staters," libertarian activists who move into the state to fight for freedom.
HB 1582 next goes to the New Hampshire Senate; if it passes there it will have to be signed by the Governor. In the meantime, Federal pressure will likely mount in opposition to this bill.
video of Representative Kurk's speech: http://freestateblogs.net/node/306
Bill text: http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=3161.0
Boston Globe article: http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/03/11/nh_tries_to_balance_open_government_with_civil_liberties/
Information for those wishing to migrate (escape!) to New Hampshire:
www.FreeStateProject.org
Then NH can do without federal highway funds. On their heads be it.
Like the idea of federal IDs or not, the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they saw the federal government's usage of highway dollars to force states to pass laws. It goes against the basic tenents of our federalist society.
Doesn't force anything. But if people from New Hampshire want to get on planes with the rest of us, their drivers licenses won't suffice as an ID. The Constitution guarantees us the right to travel, but not the right to fly anonymously. Happy motoring.
Good. We've had enough "papers, please" crap shoved down our throat by the fedgov.
I don't think so or we wouldn't have, for example, a Treasury Department. Interstate highways cross state borders. States accept federal highway money. The feds can regulate what goes on on federal highways. One national license makes perfect sense to me. Seperate states don't have their own passports, for Pete's sake. NH doesn't like it, they don't have to take the federal dollars.
Just askin' :)
Believe me, if the people I vote for were running things, there would be a lot less "federal" money being stolen from taxpayers. How about you?
It just amazes me as to how many people here would sell their soul for "Federal Highwaym Funds"!
Hey big brother is great if your team is in power even though the two teams are one in the same
[The Constitution guarantees us the right to travel, but not the right to fly anonymously.]
Who flies anonymously?
People who don't have valid photo IDs.
Like any other type of blackmail, you can refuse to comply.
Do you think a foreign national needs a Federal Drivers License to fly in the US? At a convention last week, I met a fella from Georgia who had moved to Medellin, Colombia. I asked him whatever for, and his reply was........."Because I feel FREE there."
Just where do you think the feds got 'their money'?
hint: the feds don't manufacture or grow anything;
double hint: April 15th
So there is no "federal money."
There is money that the federal government has taken from the citizen through taxation.
Do you think it it proper activity for our government constituted among men with the consent of the governed to use tax dollars to modify the behavior of its citizens?
---assuming you continue to think (feel?)spending citizens tax dollars to punish or modify fully legal behavior of citizens---
In your world what is the difference between a citizen and a subject?
That thought has been crossing my mind on and off the past year. Seriously.
The Founding Fathers wouldn't know what a modern highway was, and they didn't have automobiles back then, you know.
They did have Barbary Pirates, and they knew how to handle them.
We need personal IDs, and we need a closed, regulated border. If we do not fight to save our country, all the nuts in NH will find that they have many more things to worry about than having to have an ID.
The libertarians don't know what freedom is. Most of them have never lived in a real dictatorship. They are abstractionists.
"LIVE FREE OR DEFIE - or DIE!"
Thanks to the Libertarian Bloc!
NH still have Grit and Guts!
SUPPORT DENMARK!
"LIVE FREE OR DEFIE - or DIE!"
Thanks to the Libertarian Bloc!
NH still has Grit and Guts!
SUPPORT DENMARK!
I wonder how the feds will like it if NH decides to let the Interstate hwys go to pot and become impassable. I'll bet the feds will find a compelling reason to maintain the interstates even while denying money for state roads.
"This agreement creates a massive database of sensitive information on American citizens that can be shared with Canada and Mexico..."
True or false:
Does the real ID act leave more information available to the general public, et al.?
Will it give Homeland Security the authority to impose standards that require biometric information e.g retina scan, fingerprints, or DNA information ?
Personally I don't know how to interpet things like the above. There's only so much information I want the public to get. As long as it's reasonable. DNA information isn't.
"Doesn't force anything. But if people from New Hampshire want to get on planes with the rest of us, their drivers licenses won't suffice as an ID. The Constitution guarantees us the right to travel, but not the right to fly anonymously. Happy motoring."
I'm pretty sure that any state which goes along with the Real ID Act will considered the New Hampshire driver's license to be "not a valid driver's license in our state". Let's say that New York goes along with the Real ID Act. Theoretically, they could arrest all licensed New Hampshire drivers for "operating a motor vehicle without a valid operator's license". And usually if you're arrested for driving without a valid license, your vehicle gets seized (goes along with the Communist Manifesto principle of eminent domain).
"I wonder how the feds will like it if NH decides to let the Interstate hwys go to pot and become impassable. I'll bet the feds will find a compelling reason to maintain the interstates even while denying money for state roads."
In that case, the feds would probably hire The Dishonorable Cashman to head some Vermont militia which would invade and seize New Hampshire, with the end result being Vermont annexes New Hampshire and becomes New Vermontshire. :)
New York, and the other states, recognize New Hampshire's drivers' licenses as valid today. They would have to pass legislation to change that. States could have done that to Virginia when they saw how easy it was for the 9/11 hijackers to get drivers' licenses there. They had no valid credentials, they simply bribed a Virginia resident to vouch for them. The States could have, but they didn't. In fact, I didn't even hear the subject broached.
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