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3-year-old accidentally shoots mother
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Posted on 03/13/2006 7:15:16 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom

Police trying to piece together why a gun was stored in a family's couch and how it ended up in a three-year-old's hands.

According to police the boy found the gun in it's hiding place in the couch. When the boy's mother saw her son with the gun she took it from him, removed the clip, and put the gun back in the couch not knowing it was still loaded.

"The three year-old picked up the gun and fired it - there was a round still in the chamber - striking the mother in the knee," St. Paul Police Officer Pete Crum told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS.

An ambulance took the 43-year-old woman took Regions Hospital where she's in fair condition. Investigators plan to forward the case to the Ramsey County Attorney's Office for possible child endangerment charges.

Officer Crum wants this case to serve as a reminder to other gun owners to always lock the slide back, open the chamber up and feel the chamber with their finger before they assume the gun is unloaded.


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1 posted on 03/13/2006 7:15:20 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"When a 3-year-old St. Paul boy got his hands on a handgun that had been tucked under a couch cushion in his house Sunday afternoon, his mom took it away and removed the gun's cartridge clip.
Police said the boy's mother, Lin Lin Xie, 43, then put the gun back on the couch, thinking it was unloaded. But there was still a cartridge remaining in the chamber. The boy picked up the gun a second time and it discharged. The bullet hit his mother in the knee. The incident happened about 12:30 p.m. at the family's home in the 1500 block of McLean Avenue, said police spokesman Pete Crum."

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/302371.html


2 posted on 03/13/2006 7:18:45 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (I will never forget. I promise.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"Well the couch is actually our second hiding spot, but Jr. already discovered our hiding spot in the toybox."


3 posted on 03/13/2006 7:19:25 AM PST by Mcirrus (Future Reference)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

She put it back in the couch???? After the three-year-old had obviously found it there??? Why, why, why are people so mind-bogglingly stupid?


4 posted on 03/13/2006 7:20:07 AM PST by Chiapet
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Another person killed by gun ignorance.


5 posted on 03/13/2006 7:20:32 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Looks like another failure of the educational system.....not teaching people, especially women, to discern whether guns are loaded. This is a Constitutional Right, people, and should therefore be addressed in schools.


6 posted on 03/13/2006 7:20:55 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Graybeard58

I didn't know that the "knee" was a vital area of the human body.


7 posted on 03/13/2006 7:22:04 AM PST by kx9088
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

I have absolutely no sympathy for this woman. Anyone stupid enough to hide a gun in the couch with children in the house probably shouldn't be allowed to raise children.


8 posted on 03/13/2006 7:22:31 AM PST by Mcirrus (Future Reference)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

When the boy's mother saw her son with the gun she took it from him, removed the clip, and put the gun back in the couch not knowing it was still loaded.




Guns are not evil.

People ARE stupid.


9 posted on 03/13/2006 7:22:52 AM PST by trubluolyguy (I have a .45 and a shovel and I don't think anyone is going to miss you.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
"The three year-old picked up the gun and fired it - there was a round still in the chamber - striking the mother in the knee,"

The little guy is a future Jack Bauer.

lol
10 posted on 03/13/2006 7:24:26 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Graybeard58

"Another person killed by gun ignorance"

She died?


11 posted on 03/13/2006 7:24:44 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: 2harddrive

"Looks like another failure of the educational system.....not teaching people, especially women, to discern whether guns are loaded."

Yup. Liberals think Sex Ed courses are great, but Gun Safety classes are bad.


12 posted on 03/13/2006 7:25:24 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Chiapet
She put it back in the couch???? After the three-year-old had obviously found it there??? Why, why, why are people so mind-bogglingly stupid?

Not to mention her blaring ignorance on how a semi-auto handgun works.

What an idiot. Now we're going to hear from the anti-gun nuts, because there are those who are too stupid to handle (and store) a firearm safely!

13 posted on 03/13/2006 7:25:29 AM PST by kstewskis (don't get me started...)
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To: Graybeard58

"Another person killed by gun ignorance."

Actually, another Freeper confused by not actually reading the story. She was shot in the knee and is in fair condition at the hospital. Reading is FUNdamental.


14 posted on 03/13/2006 7:26:04 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: trubluolyguy

Bravo, excellent post!
susie


15 posted on 03/13/2006 7:26:47 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: Graybeard58
"The three year-old picked up the gun and fired it - there was a round still in the chamber - striking the mother in the knee," St. Paul Police Officer Pete Crum told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS.

An ambulance took the 43-year-old woman took Regions Hospital where she's in fair condition

***************

I suppose she could eventually die.

16 posted on 03/13/2006 7:27:20 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
When the boy's mother saw her son with the gun she took another hit of crack it from him, removed the clip, and put the gun back in the couch not knowing it was still loaded.
17 posted on 03/13/2006 7:27:26 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Blue Jays
ATTN: Mainstream Journalists for Accurate Firearms Terminology (MJFAFT)
FROM: Blue Jays
SUBJ: Word selection for recent article

It is not a clip, it is a MAGAZINE!

Sincerely,

~ Blue Jays ~

18 posted on 03/13/2006 7:27:52 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
According to police the boy found the gun in it's hiding place in the couch. When the boy's mother saw her son with the gun she took it from him, removed the clip, and put the gun back in the couch not knowing it was still loaded.

So, always check the chamber before allowing your 3 year-old to play with your weapon.

19 posted on 03/13/2006 7:28:01 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: School of Rational Thought; kx9088

My mistake, she didn't die.


20 posted on 03/13/2006 7:29:28 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

She wasn't killed, but she was pretty stupid.


21 posted on 03/13/2006 7:30:00 AM PST by shekkian
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To: Mcirrus

"Anyone stupid enough to hide a gun in the couch with children in the house probably shouldn't be allowed to raise children."

She's beyond stupid. She put it back after the child already found it there.


22 posted on 03/13/2006 7:30:27 AM PST by imskylark
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Wow, just like on the Soprano's last night.
23 posted on 03/13/2006 7:31:06 AM PST by lormand (...the wrong person came out of the water that fateful night in Chappaquiddick)
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To: MineralMan
Actually, another Freeper confused by not actually reading the story

And you don't read prior comments before making your smart ass comments. I had already been corrected by two members before you commented. I have since acknowledged my mistake.

24 posted on 03/13/2006 7:31:15 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Some life lessons are more costly than others. Grasshopper - have you learned about the round in the chamber? Now you won't forget will you?


25 posted on 03/13/2006 7:31:23 AM PST by jjones9853
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Safe storage alert.

Different households have different gun storage requirements.

"Secure storage" does not have to mean "inaccessible in a crisis."

Eddie Eagle

Gun Vault

V Line Top Draw

26 posted on 03/13/2006 7:32:51 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Chiapet

Exactly. To put the gun in the same spot where the 3-year old just found it, it is obvious that he would pick it up again. If her story is true, education might have helped, both knowing how to check the chamber and knowing to treat all guns as loaded. But that is dwarfed by the basic stupidity displayed.


27 posted on 03/13/2006 7:32:59 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Graybeard58

Oh, my mistake. You DID read the story, I guess. Right...


28 posted on 03/13/2006 7:33:46 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: kstewskis

Couches should be banned.


29 posted on 03/13/2006 7:35:02 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Graybeard58

I'm not dead I've only been shot in the knee!

30 posted on 03/13/2006 7:35:44 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Jack Bauer: "By the time I'm finished with you you're going to wish you felt this good again".)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

As far as I'm concerned, no gun is unloaded until I've verified the breech is clear or the pieces are laid out for cleaning.


31 posted on 03/13/2006 7:36:42 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

some semi autos can't fire after removal of a magazine...some can.....

None should be stored in a couch, especially in a home where children have free run of the place.

Patently stupid move on Moms part. She should have won a coveted Darwin award had the tots aim been better.


32 posted on 03/13/2006 7:36:43 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: shekkian

Isn't too stupid to live a reasonable diagnosis?


33 posted on 03/13/2006 7:36:56 AM PST by Kimmers
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Was the kid's name "Stewie", by any chance?


34 posted on 03/13/2006 7:37:11 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: bboop

LOL!!


35 posted on 03/13/2006 7:37:27 AM PST by kstewskis (don't get me started...)
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To: trubluolyguy

Some people are just morons. I would think the police would notify child services as this woman doesnt seem to have her act together. Hasnt she heard of gun locks? Why on earth would you put a gun in a couch? That seems very odd to me.


36 posted on 03/13/2006 7:38:04 AM PST by pandoraou812 (dilligaf and barbaric !)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Wow! Knee capping by the age of three! This little tyke has a future in "Waste Management Disposal" (wink, wink)


37 posted on 03/13/2006 7:38:05 AM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Blue Jays

"It is not a clip, it is a MAGAZINE!"\


yes....yes it is. But getting this terminology right is the least of the MSM's problems.


39 posted on 03/13/2006 7:39:13 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: trisham
I suppose she could eventually die.

I would say that she will certainly die someday.

40 posted on 03/13/2006 7:39:32 AM PST by kaboom
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To: Blue Jays

I've learned not to use the term "clip" with respect to a semi auto. However, what exactly is the difference? What IS a clip? Is it a matter of having exposed ammunition (as in feeding a belt through a gun) vs. having it covered (as in a magazine)? Thanks.


41 posted on 03/13/2006 7:39:46 AM PST by rudy45
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To: Vaquero
None should be stored in a couch

Especially with a round in the pipe. Most couches have wood slats under the cushion. Enough moving and wallowing around could possibly cause a discharge. Not likely, but they don't call them "accidental" for nothing.

42 posted on 03/13/2006 7:41:23 AM PST by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"it's hiding place"



Look at this. It's incompetent writing.


43 posted on 03/13/2006 7:42:34 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
♩ ♪ ♫ ♬

Bang bang
He shot me down
Bang Bang
That awful sound
Bang bang
My baby shot me down

♩ ♪ ♫ ♬

44 posted on 03/13/2006 7:46:00 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: kaboom
I would say that she will certainly die someday.

***************

In all likelihood. :)

45 posted on 03/13/2006 7:46:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Hiding a loaded gun in a couch with a 3 year old... is pretty foolish and then after he's already found it, putting it back there again?

This woman is luck it was only her knee that got shot... Someone up stairs has given her 2 chances to learn her lesson... that's more than many get..


46 posted on 03/13/2006 7:47:25 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Graybeard58
Another person killed by gun ignorance.

She died from being shot in the knee?

47 posted on 03/13/2006 7:48:36 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"The three year-old picked up the gun and fired it - there was a round still in the chamber - striking the mother in the knee,"

Low hits are usually caused by jerking the trigger. Next time squeeeeze more slowly, and shoot from a highchair.


48 posted on 03/13/2006 7:50:14 AM PST by BadAndy (I miss the days when people didn't celebrate their perversions.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
removed the clip

They had a M1 Garand stuck in the couch?

49 posted on 03/13/2006 7:52:20 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Graybeard58; MineralMan
And you don't read prior comments before making your smart ass comments.

No, we make smartass comments in response to dumbass comments before we read the rest of the thread. That is the way we do things around here. If we all read all the way through the thread before we replied, we would never get to make our smartass comments.

50 posted on 03/13/2006 7:52:27 AM PST by VRWCmember
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