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3-year-old accidentally shoots mother
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Posted on 03/13/2006 7:15:16 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom

Police trying to piece together why a gun was stored in a family's couch and how it ended up in a three-year-old's hands.

According to police the boy found the gun in it's hiding place in the couch. When the boy's mother saw her son with the gun she took it from him, removed the clip, and put the gun back in the couch not knowing it was still loaded.

"The three year-old picked up the gun and fired it - there was a round still in the chamber - striking the mother in the knee," St. Paul Police Officer Pete Crum told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS.

An ambulance took the 43-year-old woman took Regions Hospital where she's in fair condition. Investigators plan to forward the case to the Ramsey County Attorney's Office for possible child endangerment charges.

Officer Crum wants this case to serve as a reminder to other gun owners to always lock the slide back, open the chamber up and feel the chamber with their finger before they assume the gun is unloaded.


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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Officer Crum wants this case to serve as a reminder to other gun owners to always lock the slide back, open the chamber up and feel the chamber with their finger before they assume the gun is unloaded.

And this guy is an officer!?!?

FIREARM RULE #1: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED!

51 posted on 03/13/2006 7:55:30 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: VRWCmember
No, we make smartass comments in response to dumbass comments before we read the rest of the thread. That is the way we do things around here. If we all read all the way through the thread before we replied, we would never get to make our smartass comments.

That cleared THAT up...

52 posted on 03/13/2006 7:55:38 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: rudy45

This is a "clip", from an M1 Garand.


This is a Magazine.

53 posted on 03/13/2006 8:01:37 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"Police removed several guns from the home and said the boy's father had been handling the gun Saturday night.

The boy was in his father's care Sunday. His father, identified by friends and property records, is Lili Pan.
Lili Pan is the managing director of the Chinese American Association of Minnesota's Chinese Dance Theater.

Investigators said they would forward the case to the Ramsey County attorney's office, which could consider filing child-endangerment charges.

A next-door neighbor said the family has lived in the house for eight or nine years.

"They are wonderful people," Carol Christensen said. "They're great neighbors. I am so sorry this happened."

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/14087251.htm


54 posted on 03/13/2006 8:02:17 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (I will never forget. I promise.)
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To: Chiapet

Stupid is = stupid does.
Kid is lucky he still has a mother.
Kid is unlucky he has the one he does.


55 posted on 03/13/2006 8:02:17 AM PST by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: OXENinFLA; rudy45
A clip hold a bunch of bullets ready to be loaded into a firearm.

A magazine goes into or attaches to the firearm and has a spring to feed individual rounds into the chamber.

I think the key difference is the ability to insert individual rounds into the guns loading mechanism.

One thing for sure, if I'm wrong a FReeper will correct me!
56 posted on 03/13/2006 8:06:57 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: OXENinFLA

Maybe a Bren gun.. Haha


57 posted on 03/13/2006 8:18:57 AM PST by ketelone
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To: Mcirrus

"Anyone stupid enough to hide a gun in the couch"

Well, I have a gun in my fridge. Does that make me stupid? /sarcasm


58 posted on 03/13/2006 8:24:22 AM PST by jdm
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
3-year-old accidentally shoots mother

Oh, sure, they CLAIM it was an accident.



The babysitter denied me my Oreo once.

.......once.

59 posted on 03/13/2006 8:27:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them.)
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To: VRWCmember
No, we make smartass comments in response to dumbass comments before we read the rest of the thread. That is the way we do things around here. If we all read all the way through the thread before we replied, we would never get to make our smartass comments.

************

LOL! I had to check out your "about" page after reading the above. Robbie is a very handsome boy.

60 posted on 03/13/2006 8:32:44 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Chiapet
Why, why, why are people so mind-bogglingly stupid?

What was so stupid about it was removing the magazine and not clearing the chamber.
Do that, and it's just a hammer.

61 posted on 03/13/2006 8:34:05 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: shekkian

Sigh, another missed chance at a Darwin Award. Why we allow stupid people to breed is beyond me. FLAME SUIT activated!!!


62 posted on 03/13/2006 8:36:23 AM PST by Brytani (Democrats - destroying America since 1868)
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To: null and void
These are from BUTCH over at GlockTalk, they're about the easiest and funniest way to some up the differences between Magazines and Clips.








63 posted on 03/13/2006 8:40:21 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Blue Jays

I always thought that if it was a single row, it was a clip and if it has a staggered row like a Mini 14 has, then it is a magazine. Am I wrong?


64 posted on 03/13/2006 8:41:10 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: OXENinFLA

I keep several in my couch, but that's just me.


65 posted on 03/13/2006 8:43:05 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Muslims pray to Allah, Allah prays to Chuck Norris.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

I swear sometimes I think the left deliberately finds these morons and arms them just so we can have stupid stories like these to prove their case.


66 posted on 03/13/2006 8:52:23 AM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: kx9088
I didn't know that the "knee" was a vital area of the human body.

Only for walkin'.

67 posted on 03/13/2006 8:54:14 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgences of society's understanding.)
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To: pandoraou812

Screw gun locks, that just plays into liberals hands by accepting them, the idiot should have put the gun on top of the fridge or somewhere else the kid could not get to it. Then she should have found out who left it there and beat the tar out of that person. She didn't so she got some of what she deserved. Luckily the kid didn't have the muzzle in it's mouth when the trigger was pulled.


68 posted on 03/13/2006 8:55:26 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

BUSH'S FAULT!!!!


69 posted on 03/13/2006 8:57:59 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Liberals are like festering cysts. They must be lanced, drained, and removed.)
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To: BadAndy

Maybe the kid needed some information that she was holding out on.


70 posted on 03/13/2006 8:58:07 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Officer Crum wants this case to serve as a reminder to other gun owners to always lock the slide back, open the chamber up and feel the chamber with their finger before they assume the gun is unloaded.

Obviously officer crum has somehow managed to do this without getting his fingers bit.

I'd reccommend looking in the chamber (from the breech end, naturally) to make sure the chamber is clear.

71 posted on 03/13/2006 9:00:17 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: trisham

Thanks. He is so much fun and he makes us laugh a lot.


72 posted on 03/13/2006 9:01:04 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: OXENinFLA

Ok, you had me until the last picture. Now I am really confused. Just kidding.


73 posted on 03/13/2006 9:02:00 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Graybeard58
Another person killed by gun ignorance.

Read the article. She was shot in the knee. It was not fatal. Next time she should read the manual or get some training to understand how to unload her firearm. A good 5 button safe bolted to a heavy table would be a much better "hiding" place.

74 posted on 03/13/2006 9:02:00 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Rakkasan1
I keep several in my couch, but that's just me.

No, it's not just you.

I keep my .38 in the couch by the front door. But I don't have kids.

75 posted on 03/13/2006 9:04:59 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: null and void
The key difference is that a magazine contains a spring and follower to push each round into firing position. A clip holds a set of loaded cartridges in a convenient orientation for rapidly loading the internal magazine of the firearm. The M1 Garand has the spring and follower as part of the firearm. The clip holds the cartridges inside the magazine and is ejected on the last round. The SKS rifle uses a "stripper clip" that aligns in a channel on the face of the bolt when locked in the open position. The user aligns the clips in the channel and shoves 20 rounds down into the magazine. The stripper clip is set aside to be refilled with another 20 cartridges. Strippers are just a convenient way to reload an internal magazine rapidly.
76 posted on 03/13/2006 9:31:53 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: OXENinFLA
Excellent photographic explanation.
77 posted on 03/13/2006 9:33:14 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Brytani

I think the kid is really smart and was simply attempting to clean the gene pool.


However, momma belongs in jail for being a complete moron.


78 posted on 03/13/2006 9:37:47 AM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Lx
I always thought that if it was a single row, it was a clip and if it has a staggered row like a Mini 14 has, then it is a magazine. Am I wrong?

You're wrong. Magazines come in single and double stack format. They also come in spiral "drum" formats. The drum is a single stack wrapped into a large spiral. Magazines also come in tubular format with the cartridges lined up "nose to tail". This is common in lever action rifles and some older rim fire .22LR rifles. If you have a tubular magazine, you must never load it with "spitzer" (pointed) bullets. You employ a flat nose bullet to avoid having the bullet nose igniting the primer of the adjacent round. If one goes off, they pretty much all go off.

79 posted on 03/13/2006 9:40:28 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: looscnnn

I still have to wonder why anyone would put a gun in a sofa unless they were scared of someone. I hope she got the gun taken away for being so stupid. Was the gun even legal?


80 posted on 03/13/2006 9:41:57 AM PST by pandoraou812 (dilligaf and barbaric !)
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To: Chiapet

And she will probably put it BACK THERE or in another equally stupid place even after having been SHOT!
People are dumba$$es, particularly when it comes to gun safety.


81 posted on 03/13/2006 9:44:29 AM PST by Muzzle_em ("Mayor Nagin, what about those buses?")
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To: VRWCmember

Funneee!
And true!


82 posted on 03/13/2006 9:46:38 AM PST by Muzzle_em ("Mayor Nagin, what about those buses?")
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To: School of Rational Thought

"Another person killed by gun ignorance"

She died?

No,but there's a Darwin Award in the making if ever I saw one!


83 posted on 03/13/2006 9:47:15 AM PST by gimme1ibertee
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To: Myrddin

Ok, so what's a clip?


84 posted on 03/13/2006 9:56:24 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Myrddin
Strippers are just a convenient way to reload an internal magazine rapidly.

That sounds like an ammo guy trying to justify his expense report entry of "strippers fees".

85 posted on 03/13/2006 10:51:03 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Reminds me of my ex idiot brother in law.

On a visit, he gave my remote to my two year old nephew to play with.

This pissed me off, because it was my toy, not his to share.

Plus my nephew was smashing the buttons, emulating his dad and sending the TV into spasms of light and noise.

I told the idiot BIL that it was annoying, so he said, "I can fix that" and removed the batteries.

So now the two year old knows how to take my remote apart.

(The nephew is 22 now and actually turned out pretty good)


86 posted on 03/13/2006 10:56:23 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: The_Victor
So, always check the chamber before allowing your 3 year-old to play with your weapon.

I would never give a three-year-old a semiautomatic for a toy. Their little hands aren't strong enough to rack the action back in a combat reload. You start them off with revolvers at that age, something with a nice easy trigger pull, maybe single-action only until their grip strengthens.

And no full auto before age seven. It'll give 'em something to look forward to.

87 posted on 03/13/2006 10:59:34 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Tree of Liberty
Was the kid's name "Stewie", by any chance?

Doubtful, though fanciful. If it was Stewie, Peter would have been the one to put it back in the sofa. Lois hides Stewie's guns on the top shelf in the kitchen cabinets.

88 posted on 03/13/2006 11:23:37 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Vaquero
yes....yes it is. But getting this terminology right is the least of the MSM's problems.

True, but for them to use the correct terminology would indicate they've made a minimum effort to learn a bit about the subject.

89 posted on 03/13/2006 11:26:03 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Watch the brady freaks blame the gun for this one.


90 posted on 03/13/2006 3:39:19 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
...striking the mother in the knee.

"We didn't even know the kid was Italian."

91 posted on 03/13/2006 3:46:46 PM PST by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: OXENinFLA

Nice one!


92 posted on 03/13/2006 4:27:39 PM PST by Doomonyou (FR doesn't suffer fools lightly.)
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