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India Class 12 Exams...can you pass this?
CBSE India ^ | March-14-2006 | me

Posted on 03/13/2006 8:40:36 PM PST by USMMA_83

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To: USMMA_83

I probably could have passed this in 12th grade when all this was fresh in my brain. I didn't go into engineering or science. Hence, my mind is now full of publishing knowledge--which is my profession.


41 posted on 03/13/2006 9:23:07 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: sharkhawk
I'm pretty sure I could have passed this test when I was 17, but I had advanced calculus and physics in HS (24 years ago) and pretty much aced all the AP, SAT and ACT math portions. What people don't realize is that most foreign school systems are not set up like those in the US. A decision is made by the age of 14 or 15 whether you are going on a college track or into a trade school, so when you compare the average scores, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Two other points.

1) They still have 300 million-400 million people living in poverty (roughly $1 / day).

2) Supply and demand. IF you are faced with the above, and these classes are your ticket out...

But the paradox is if too many people are crowding for the exits (so to speak) the price that such learning commands starts to drop. Hasn't happened yet, but give it time.

Oh, by the way, if they are such world beaters, why are publications like Outsourcing Business Week reporting that the Indian IT firms are outsourcing to China...?

Full Disclosure: What are the requirements to get into MIT or CalTech in the US?

Cheers!

42 posted on 03/13/2006 9:24:37 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: USMMA_83

I'm 65 but I think I could handle it OK but I would need to review about a month. However I am a Chemical Engineer, GPA 3.68. PBK. I also have 4 other degrees and experience and I worked the entire time I attended collage. Never had to spend a dime. My company paid for it all. I have a problem with spelling.


43 posted on 03/13/2006 9:24:56 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: USMMA_83

Where are the questions about how to fit a condom over a cucumber?


44 posted on 03/13/2006 9:26:39 PM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: grey_whiskers
Oh, by the way, if they are such world beaters, why are publications like Outsourcing Business Week reporting that the Indian IT firms are outsourcing to China...?

Most are making money in China running IT courses. Like NIIT.

http://www.niit.com.cn/site/index.asp

45 posted on 03/13/2006 9:28:06 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Clicked on the link. Who's the cute girl on the left in the yellow outfit? ;-)

Cheers!

46 posted on 03/13/2006 9:32:25 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

These are just simple differential equations. Cramer's rule!! You're right, the formatting is crap, as well as some of the questions don't make sense. Who are they trying to bulldoze!! ROFLMAO!!

The physics questions are from a freshman engineering class! ???


47 posted on 03/13/2006 9:32:32 PM PST by phantomworker (The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. - Thomas Koenig)
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To: sharkhawk
What people don't realize is that most foreign school systems are not set up like those in the US. A decision is made by the age of 14 or 15 whether you are going on a college track or into a trade school, so when you compare the average scores, you are comparing apples to oranges.

That's a very important point that is never brought up when tests are shown comparing "high school seniors" in the U.S. to other countries. For instance, in Germany, a decision is made at about 14 as to whether a student will go on an academic pre-college track ("Gymnasium") or not. Almost half don't go to Gymnasium. In England, only the college-bound stay in school past age 16 (for "A-levels").

In the U.S., you have a small minority of kids who "drop out" before finishing high school. But in most other countries you have large percentages (40% in many countries) who branch off into non-academic tracks and are thus not included in comparisons to our HS seniors.

I'll bet if you just compared U.S. kids who take A.P. or Honors classes (which is probably a similar percentage of the U.S. high-school age population) to the academic-track, college-bound kids in other countries, U.S. kids would not fare any worse.

48 posted on 03/13/2006 9:34:08 PM PST by saquin
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To: phantomworker
Cramer's rule!!

"Pigs get slaughtered!" "SELL SELL SELL!"

from Jim Cramer's Mad Money on MSNBC ;-)

PhD in molecular collision theory here...

Cheers!

49 posted on 03/13/2006 9:34:22 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Some fake poster for the Chinese website, I guess.

Here's the Indian site:

http://www.niit.com/tech/


50 posted on 03/13/2006 9:34:41 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Never saw the show. Working on Phd in engineering here.


51 posted on 03/13/2006 9:38:01 PM PST by phantomworker (The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. - Thomas Koenig)
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To: USMMA_83
Looks like about a term ahead (from the public schools I am familiar with). It is about 50% senior high-school material and 50% freshman university material (17-19 year olds). Though, it would all be ELECTIVE course material here, not compulsory. There is no way we could even try to provide our current level of senior HS science/math education to every HS student. Not enough science and math teachers. We'd need 5x as many, or classes with 150 students in them.

I have a theory that can account for part of this. At least in Canada, someone with a science or math degree in the private sector can easily make 2-3x as much outside of public school teaching. Private school teachers also make much more than high school teachers (and the quality of the education recieved in especially math and science, by private school students, is much higher than that of public schoolers - I see the difference every year in freshman course performance).

You are still going to have incredible teachers in the public system, don't get me wrong. BUT...a lot of the best prospects for teaching are going to head for greener pastures (either industry or private schooling).

Contrast that to India. I read (and wish I could find the source again) that teaching math or science in an Indian school grants a very high pay relative to other jobs. You have a larger number of qualified personnel applying for the same ratio of teaching jobs, simply because the pay and benefits are better than elsewhere. From that larger pool you get better teachers. And MORE teachers.

52 posted on 03/13/2006 9:39:43 PM PST by M203M4
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To: LWalk18

It is a bit of a silly question- we are seeing the test cold, and I bet the majority of posters have been out of school 10+ years. However, if we had the time that Indian students have to study for the exam, I think many American students would be able to pass it.


Thank you. Thank you. Your post is perfect. I was feeling bad for a minute, but you are right. We had this a while back and could do it then and maybe even do some of it now. Like some have said, they are making two cents a day, but SOME of them can do that math and physics. Americans in general are intelligent, just a little lazy with math and science myself included. When needed, I passed both.


53 posted on 03/13/2006 9:42:37 PM PST by napscoordinator
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54 posted on 03/13/2006 9:42:57 PM PST by Always Learning
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To: USMMA_83
Its not worth killing yourself over. Thats pretty stupid.

There are many much more important things to live for.

Of course no one wants to live in poverty...understood...but a lot of the pressure to perform is unnessesary.

I would rather not know math and be happy that be 'ahead' and miserable.

What are these guys going to do? Write a math book for a living? Why not do something practical?

55 posted on 03/13/2006 9:47:18 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Always Learning

56 posted on 03/13/2006 9:47:33 PM PST by M203M4
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To: sharkhawk

That's true. The kids in other countries like India, Japan and China spend much more time studying than in the U.S. Our kids are more into sports and extra curricular activities and being real human beings.


57 posted on 03/13/2006 9:53:59 PM PST by phantomworker (The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. - Thomas Koenig)
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To: M203M4

That's a genius! Can't blame him.

Sometimes, the simplest solution is the right one. Occam's Razor?


58 posted on 03/13/2006 9:54:21 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: ARCADIA
As usually you attack with opinion. I am very familiar with our school system and the abilities of the graduates. The article said "It's compulsory to pass this exam to get into college in India" You made that "lets pull our top 5% drill them on this stuff they will fly through it just as easily as their Indian counterparts." Why not the 70% that attend some collage in the US. Take it to your local school. Less than half the teachers could pass it. A 650 SAT score will get you in a local community teachers collage. You might want to google up where US high schools graduates rank in the world and I'm not going to do it for you but if I remember correctly was 24 out of 25 top countries.
59 posted on 03/13/2006 9:57:05 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: CarrotAndStick
CMM is good for giving management visibility, but doesn't do a lot to guarantee what is happening "under the hood" of a software app.

It tends to be "process oriented" and not "creativity oriented"--which may be why India's so in love with it. That, and it gives management thw warm fuzzies to hear it.

(Tends to work best for large, hidebound bureaucracies that have the turning radius of an aircraft carrier, rather than startups and other nimble organizations...)

Cheers!

60 posted on 03/13/2006 10:05:45 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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