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Posted on 03/14/2006 11:28:51 AM PST by KevinNuPac
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CLEARWATER, FLA---Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has been asked to review a determination by the Florida Department of Health that no probable cause exists regarding a complaint filed against licensed health care provider Michael Schiavo for alleged false sworn statements.
Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.
Rodgers and Hammerstein, Oklahoma --"Kansas City"
Under Kentucky law, living will directives are specifically authorized for anyone 18 years of age or older who has the mental capacity to make the decision to execute a living will. A living will can give directions for one or more of four different areas; to direct the withholding or withdrawing of life prolonging treatment, to direct the withholding or withdrawal of artificially provided nutrition and hydration, to designate one or more adults as a surrogate or substitute to make health care decisions on behalf of the person writing the living will, and to direct the giving of all or any part of the adult's body for research or transplant purposes.
Floridian officials still just want the name Schiavo to just go away. They think if they stick their collective heads in the sand long enough that we will forget. Thank God June just keeps pushing onward. Michael Schiavo is a liar and deceiver of the highest order. It's completely natural to him to do so. For Michael, truth is a dirty word.
Any living will directive to withhold or withdraw life-prolonging treatment or nutrition and hydration only applies if a person has a terminal condition. A terminal condition is defined as a condition caused by injury, disease or illness which to a reasonable degree of medical probability, as determined solely by the patient's attending physician and one other physician, is incurable and irreversible and will result in death within a relatively short time, and were the application of life prolonging treatment would serve only to artificially prolong the dying process.
If these lawmakers think that they would have protected Terri in their state, I submit that with the right judge, Felos would have made mincemeat out of this.
Wow. I'll bet the judge laughed out loud and threw Schiavo's petition out in ten seconds.
If only the judge had...
Please don't faint. I'm going to argue with you -- a little.
Michael was not always this way, and he's still not a really good liar. He used to blurt the truth now and then, such as telling Trudy Capone, with feeling, that they were young and never discussed "end of life" plans, or telling Larry King that it was his idea, not Terri's, that she wanted to die. Such blurts have been a good source of information.
Along comes the Serpent -- George Felos. Now there is your professional liar, polished and practiced. He has obviously planted the lies and coached Michael in lying. He even boasts about deceiving the press, getting them to plead his case to the public in his own twisted words. When Michael stumbles, George steps in and covers it up with lies.
I read the autopsy report and related supporting documentation, which stated that Terri was unable to take in solid food or liquid by mouth. Anything given by mouth would have been taken into the lungs by aspiration and hastened Terri's death.
Why would anyone want to give her water by mouth if the result would be aspiration?
Well, if that's arguing then you are pretty mild about it! ;-)
"people are dying before their time"
I know that's the truth...my brother passed away at a hospice on March,4. He was sent there to get his meds regulated and 3 days later he was dead. He was so doped up it was unbelievable. I believe that if an autopsy had been done they'd find that he died of a drug overdose.
A friend called me after he died and told me the same thing happened to her husband at the same hospice.
Her husband went there to supposedly regulate his meds..3 days later he was dead.
They put on her husbands death certificate that he died of cancer and he didn't even have cancer. When she asked them to change it, they refused to do it.
I'd think that there'd be some way to appeal to get that changed. What if this hospice was into the whole Medicaid fraud like Suncoast, and used falsiified death certificates to get money? I would encourage your friend to press on. We've seen way too many scandals to let another one go. It could be just the tip of an iceberg.
Here's a video of one of her nurses describing various aspects of her care, and lack of care. It includes a brief description of Terri consuming food orally. Carla Iyer interview on Fox News
I read it too (page 34, in plain English), and it does not say either that was "unable to take in... liquid by mouth" or that "anything given by mouth would have been taken into the lungs." It simply argues that feeding by mouth was risky.
Yup, it would have been risky. But death by dehydration is riskier.
One should note that in the instance, Dr. Thogmartin's opinions are wholly based on past medical records, not on autopsy findings; nor are they without controversy. Other medical professionals who had actually worked with Terri -- hands-on experience that Dr. Thogmartin lacked -- argued that she should receive further swallowing tests and therapy. It is not disputed that Terri could and did swallow her saliva. That's "taking liquid by mouth." Several nurses did feed Terri fruit juice, ice cream, jell-o and pudding; she loved it and swallowed without any difficulties. They also gave her ice chips in washcloths to keep her mouth moist, and reported that she could swallow the water safely.
>> Why would anyone want to give her water by mouth if the result would be aspiration?
To keep her alive, maybe? Or at least to relieve her agony? "'IF' the result would be aspiration" -- so what? Everybody aspirates now and then.
Their 15 minutes is up.
I am quite sure the Schindlers would rather have no more spotlight if they felt that this wouldn't happen to anyone else. They would much rather have their anonymity and Terri alive.
It is inconceivable that any judge would be so dumb as to overlook all the baloney.
Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.
"appeal to get that changed"
Her husband died over about year ago. He had lung cancer several years ago and they told her that it was an underlying factor so they were allowed to use it. She probably would have reported it at the time but [like me]
wouldn't know who or where to report it.
They both died in a Florida hospice. After my brothers death I got a letter from the hospice asking me to donate. The letter was signed by Ron Schonwetter. I looked up his name and he's connected to the Tampa hospice and that USF bunch....palliative sedation sounds innocent enough but it's not, it's horrible.
Yes, Shonwetter, if I recall, was involved, said Terri would not suffer. Lots of spiders there when the rock gets lifted.
I thought that they listed it that way so an autopsy wouldn't be performed. Wouldn't look good if all the patients were dying from drug overdoses!
Very true! They could just use the M&M report as justification for listing it as a result of cancer. The hospice could still be up to no good. Seeing how the Dept. of Health in Florida had "accidentally" lost all those complaints on file from 1992 to 2005, you'd see why it's so easy to be skeptical in a situation like this.
I get so frustrated sometimes. Why can't people just do the jobs they're paid to do, and do them well? Do you think there's a way we could just get rid of all the unethical people in the world?
I will NEVER forget what happened to Terri and how MS was allowed to let her die. I have had people say to me "I wouldn't want to live that way". How do they know, they aren't "that way" yet. I have told my family that I want to live any way God wants me to live. They also know NOT TO STARVE AND DEHYDRATE ME.
CORRECTION- Let her die meant to say killed her.
I'm so sorry pyp. Please contact Congressman Dave Weldon. I think he's tired of hearing from me but we have a real problem on our hands with these forced exits of our loved ones. The toll free to congress is at my tag line. You need to specify Dave Weldon from Florida because there are a few Weldons in DC as you know. Dr. Dave is my hero. We aren't just whistling Dixie. This is really happening. I'm so sorry for your loss, PYP.
St. Patrick's looking out for Terri. This isn't over, 8mmmauser. And did you read what happened to PYP's brother at a hospice? Calling Dr. Dave Weldon, Florida Congressman. Calling Dr. Dave.
Felos should be disbarred. He is not a legit attorney. He's smart but he's not legit. I say he's long overdue for a competency exam. This is based upon his book and he's got another coming out called "Beyond Schiavo". How vile is that title?
You and I think the same way! LOL - we must have had the same conversations with our families. Fortunately, my family has seen for themselves what a "good" way to die is when my father passed away three years ago. We all took care of him in his last days. We all took turns so as to get our rest and nourishment, but he was never left by himself for one second, in case he had something he wanted to say, or in case he wanted anything (which was almost always a sip of water or a cool washcloth on his forehead). We surrounded him with prayer several times a day, and he got to spend precious time with his friends who were able to visit. We were truly blessed! It was a perfect model to follow for future health difficulties, especially those that might end in death.
Tomorrow is the anniversary of when Terri's feeding tube was removed. I cannot forget!
Felos does need a competency exam, pretty much the same as Tom Cruise. They're both looney tunes! People who are that far removed from reality scare me.
Outside of Hospice we were waiting for a hero but all we got was one coward after another who could have saved Terri but made false promises one day and then slammed everyone the next!
Judge Greer had plenty of time to stop any rescue because Jebbie telegraphed to Greer through the media that he was coming round the mountain.
All a ruse. Nobody was coming. Terri was suffering and died.
On Jeb's watch and on his big brother's watch.
Remember that Judge James Whittemore in Tampa REFUSED the Pres and the US Congress. He refused to rehydrate Terri and yanked the Schindlers around hour upon hour. Both Greer and Whittemore are criminally liable. They should not have any immunity. This was MURDER.
1. Senator Jim King (the ringleader) 2. Nancy Argenziano 3. Mike Bennett 4. Dennis Jones (from Terri's area). The others: (I'll need to bring up the jpeg which id's all the Terri cowards who voted against her - name & photo).
Nancy A. didn't like being called a murderer but, that is exactly what she is.
Can you post some jpegs for me later this week on this thread if I email them to you? My pc is acting up lately.
Any monies ponied up were likely given by George Soros. Of course, I can't back that up with any real evidence, it's a gut feeling. However, I was looking into college scholarships for my daughter, and I was surprised to see how many were funded by George Soros. That guy has his money all over the place, and I am confident that some of that trickled into Pinellas county somewhere.
I knew Florida discriminated against people but I had no idea how bad it was until I learned of Terri in August of 2003. Murdering disabled people had never crossed my mind until I found out about the jihad against Terri Schiavo. It was a war against Terri. It was not just a skirmish but a real war (with torture and weaponry). When your govt points weapons right at you, you know at that moment if at no other that the country's on the wrong track.
I'd call my mom before I'd go down to Hospice Woodside and each day was more intense there. Right after Easter, I remember mom telling me on the phone to duck if there were any bullets flying. That was based upon what she saw on the news, not based upon anything I told her.
What a wonderful, inspiring story. Thanks for posting it. I only wish The Schindler's had the same opportunity with their daughter. Not that she was dying, but you know what I mean.
The Kiss of Death
I was kind of hoping he'd experience a mysterious collapse, suffer severe brain damage, lose his voice and 91% of his intelligence, develop a rectal itch that he can't reach, have all his surplus organs sold for transplants, have his arms and legs ground up as cat food, and then have a judge REFUSE to take him off a ventilator or a feeding tube for the next 79 years, and make him sit upright the whole time facing a TV that plays "Days of our Lives" reruns 24/7/365.
As we know, Judge Greer threw out her testimony and all of the other Terri caregivers testimonies as well. "Incredible" was his decree with Carla. He also did the same thing with a Mayo Clinic neurologist as well. The following is part of his observations when Terri was already in her 5th day of dehydration and starvation.
William Cheshire Jr. - Mayo Clinic neurologist
"As I looked at Terri, and she gazed directly back at me, I asked myself whether, if I were her attending physician, I could in good conscience withdraw her feeding and hydration," he wrote. "No, I could not. I could not withdraw life support if I were asked. I could not withhold life-sustaining nutrition and hydration from this beautiful lady whose face brightens in the presence of others."
Well, that's a good start.
FV did you notice it wasn't that far away, and the Ron Schonwetter connection? They are incestuous, inbred and all a part of the same cabal.
I really get frustrated about this, hope Congressman Weldon jumps on this cancerous grownth before it spreads further.
A year ago this day, FV, I was convinced it would be impossible in this country for the bad guys to take the step. I was sure it would never get to pulling her tubes. It was so far away from possibility in my mind, I never thought it out.
Our country, our court system, corrupt as they might be, simply could not let this happen. Somebody with courage would rise up and stop this whole charade. I just wondered who that might be.
And this is from AP...
One year ago: Doctors in Florida, acting on orders of a state judge, removed Terri Schiavo s feeding tube. (Despite the efforts of congressional Republicans to intervene and repeated court appeals by Schiavos parents, the brain-damaged woman died on March 31, 2005, at age 41.)
Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.
Judges across America are becoming increasingly nervous, claiming that their judicial independence is being threatened.
The real problem is that theyre afraid of judicial accountability and the ever increasing demands by the public that the judiciary be held accountable for their actions, to cease their judicial activism and their wrongful rulings which are unjustly destroying peoples lives.
Crystal Clear the care for Terri Schindler-Schiavo should have been very simple.
But the dehydration process is not painful, Glorioso said. At that point in the Schiavo debate, some doctors started to speak up, but Glorioso questioned why more health care professionals did not step forward.
And for those critics who voice deceitful little sermonettes about government not interfering with "private family decisions," get this straight too. Government, in the person of Judge Greer, not only intervened, it prevented Terri's family from having any say in the decision. Government intervention denied Terri her rights and would not let her be represented by an attorney. Government intervention executed an innocent woman for the "crime" of being disabled and helpless.