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Posted on 03/14/2006 11:28:51 AM PST by KevinNuPac
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CLEARWATER, FLA---Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has been asked to review a determination by the Florida Department of Health that no probable cause exists regarding a complaint filed against licensed health care provider Michael Schiavo for alleged false sworn statements.
Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.
Rodgers and Hammerstein, Oklahoma --"Kansas City"
Under Kentucky law, living will directives are specifically authorized for anyone 18 years of age or older who has the mental capacity to make the decision to execute a living will. A living will can give directions for one or more of four different areas; to direct the withholding or withdrawing of life prolonging treatment, to direct the withholding or withdrawal of artificially provided nutrition and hydration, to designate one or more adults as a surrogate or substitute to make health care decisions on behalf of the person writing the living will, and to direct the giving of all or any part of the adult's body for research or transplant purposes.
Floridian officials still just want the name Schiavo to just go away. They think if they stick their collective heads in the sand long enough that we will forget. Thank God June just keeps pushing onward. Michael Schiavo is a liar and deceiver of the highest order. It's completely natural to him to do so. For Michael, truth is a dirty word.
Any living will directive to withhold or withdraw life-prolonging treatment or nutrition and hydration only applies if a person has a terminal condition. A terminal condition is defined as a condition caused by injury, disease or illness which to a reasonable degree of medical probability, as determined solely by the patient's attending physician and one other physician, is incurable and irreversible and will result in death within a relatively short time, and were the application of life prolonging treatment would serve only to artificially prolong the dying process.
If these lawmakers think that they would have protected Terri in their state, I submit that with the right judge, Felos would have made mincemeat out of this.
Wow. I'll bet the judge laughed out loud and threw Schiavo's petition out in ten seconds.
If only the judge had...
Please don't faint. I'm going to argue with you -- a little.
Michael was not always this way, and he's still not a really good liar. He used to blurt the truth now and then, such as telling Trudy Capone, with feeling, that they were young and never discussed "end of life" plans, or telling Larry King that it was his idea, not Terri's, that she wanted to die. Such blurts have been a good source of information.
Along comes the Serpent -- George Felos. Now there is your professional liar, polished and practiced. He has obviously planted the lies and coached Michael in lying. He even boasts about deceiving the press, getting them to plead his case to the public in his own twisted words. When Michael stumbles, George steps in and covers it up with lies.
I read the autopsy report and related supporting documentation, which stated that Terri was unable to take in solid food or liquid by mouth. Anything given by mouth would have been taken into the lungs by aspiration and hastened Terri's death.
Why would anyone want to give her water by mouth if the result would be aspiration?
Well, if that's arguing then you are pretty mild about it! ;-)
"people are dying before their time"
I know that's the truth...my brother passed away at a hospice on March,4. He was sent there to get his meds regulated and 3 days later he was dead. He was so doped up it was unbelievable. I believe that if an autopsy had been done they'd find that he died of a drug overdose.
A friend called me after he died and told me the same thing happened to her husband at the same hospice.
Her husband went there to supposedly regulate his meds..3 days later he was dead.
They put on her husbands death certificate that he died of cancer and he didn't even have cancer. When she asked them to change it, they refused to do it.
I'd think that there'd be some way to appeal to get that changed. What if this hospice was into the whole Medicaid fraud like Suncoast, and used falsiified death certificates to get money? I would encourage your friend to press on. We've seen way too many scandals to let another one go. It could be just the tip of an iceberg.
Here's a video of one of her nurses describing various aspects of her care, and lack of care. It includes a brief description of Terri consuming food orally. Carla Iyer interview on Fox News
I read it too (page 34, in plain English), and it does not say either that was "unable to take in... liquid by mouth" or that "anything given by mouth would have been taken into the lungs." It simply argues that feeding by mouth was risky.
Yup, it would have been risky. But death by dehydration is riskier.
One should note that in the instance, Dr. Thogmartin's opinions are wholly based on past medical records, not on autopsy findings; nor are they without controversy. Other medical professionals who had actually worked with Terri -- hands-on experience that Dr. Thogmartin lacked -- argued that she should receive further swallowing tests and therapy. It is not disputed that Terri could and did swallow her saliva. That's "taking liquid by mouth." Several nurses did feed Terri fruit juice, ice cream, jell-o and pudding; she loved it and swallowed without any difficulties. They also gave her ice chips in washcloths to keep her mouth moist, and reported that she could swallow the water safely.
>> Why would anyone want to give her water by mouth if the result would be aspiration?
To keep her alive, maybe? Or at least to relieve her agony? "'IF' the result would be aspiration" -- so what? Everybody aspirates now and then.
Their 15 minutes is up.
I am quite sure the Schindlers would rather have no more spotlight if they felt that this wouldn't happen to anyone else. They would much rather have their anonymity and Terri alive.
It is inconceivable that any judge would be so dumb as to overlook all the baloney.
Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.
"appeal to get that changed"
Her husband died over about year ago. He had lung cancer several years ago and they told her that it was an underlying factor so they were allowed to use it. She probably would have reported it at the time but [like me]
wouldn't know who or where to report it.
They both died in a Florida hospice. After my brothers death I got a letter from the hospice asking me to donate. The letter was signed by Ron Schonwetter. I looked up his name and he's connected to the Tampa hospice and that USF bunch....palliative sedation sounds innocent enough but it's not, it's horrible.
Yes, Shonwetter, if I recall, was involved, said Terri would not suffer. Lots of spiders there when the rock gets lifted.
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