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Terri's Day challenges the nation to unify
Renew America ^ | March 13, 2006 | Kevin Fobbs

Posted on 03/14/2006 11:28:51 AM PST by KevinNuPac

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To: supercat

I call the Easter vote for Terri in D.C., the Schiavo Fakeout. Visit my tag line to see the picture of the president returning to DC on Air Force 1. Some handler thought Terri supporters would fall for it. Nope.


41 posted on 03/14/2006 8:59:03 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: bjs1779
The Schiavo Easter back to DC Fakeout Photo:

Laura Bush was on a plane to Afghanistan to celebrate freedom with Afghan women on the very day Terri succumbed to torture sponsored by the State of Florida.

Greer's best friends, the Semblers were at the Inauguration Balls for the bushies. They have always given the Republican Party oodles of money.

Sembler the son is in charge of Charlie Crist's campaign for governor. Crist is both stupid and aloof.

42 posted on 03/14/2006 9:13:49 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: floriduh voter
I think Jeb wanted to stop it, but when his brother the President backed off, and when he got stabbed in the back by the Florida Senate (GOP majority), I think he didn't have a lot of choice. It would certainly have been a lot harder for him to do something and justify it legally, and so I blame him a lot less than W.

That said, I am able to separate that issue from others that I do agree with Bush on, such as the war on terror and taxes. I am terribly unhappy with the border and with spending, and the Schiavo issue added to the discontent. It brought Bush down a great deal in stature, from someone who had a chance to approach Reagan's qualities, down to someone only slightly better than his dad had been. Still a helluva lot better than having a President Kerry, but not near as good as he could have been.

Roberts and Alito proved that it was important to re-elect Bush. Schiavo proved that we don't have a conservative majority even with a GOP one. Keep working for that conservative cause, and don't lose faith in what good people can accomplish.

43 posted on 03/14/2006 9:21:23 PM PST by Defiant (Muslim Unitarian:There is no God but Abraham's, and Mohammed said he was his prophet.)
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To: Defiant
Not as good as I thought they were. I can say that for Jeb and for Dubya. I'll never work that hard to get anybody elected ever again, throw in going into four years now supporting Terri's Fight and the Foundation's new mission, that was a lot of effort and Terri was murdered anyway.

Kerry's the Bushes' cousin and they are all related to Count Dracula. Now that's funny.

44 posted on 03/14/2006 9:34:27 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: lugsoul
A collection of lugsoul's recent wisdom:

I congratulate you on a post remarkably lacking in substance

I don't mean to be harsh, but that's just delusional.

There is a lot of class being displayed on this thread.

I know some folks like to paint the "insurgency" as a bunch of outside terrorists who are imposing on the fine Iraqi people. It makes a better picture. But that is only a slice of the insurgency. And the 1000 folks that were killed a couple of weeks ago weren't killed by foreigners.NOTE: It looks like lugsoul bought the lie that the mosque bombing spawned over 1000 deaths, and wanted us to leave Iraq because of it. Coward.

Nope. But when you have to resort to crap like the "75% of the country is peaceful" mem, knowing full well that the statistic refers to the 75% of the country where there aren't very many people, that tells me that you don't even believe what you are saying. NOTE: So now we know lugsoul is a follower of John Murtha.

Sure. It is going very, very, very well. NOTE: More Murtha/Kerry type sarcasm.

Not trying to pick at you, but the whole "we won the war in three weeks" meme really ignores what has gone on since that time, as well as the sacrifice of our troops since that time. It is more like "we won the war we thought we were going to have in three weeks, but the war we didn't expect is ongoing." NOTE: lugsoul sure likes the term "meme", as well as John Kerry's cut and run politics.

If you must wallow in schadenfreude, you should try to be at least a little up front about it. lugsoul's kindergarten report card: Does not play well with others.

I've seen a lot of folks around FR touting Pence as a great "conservative."
Expanding the Federal government's powers to regulate sex scenes in books is in no way, shape or form politically "conservative."
Put this with his bogus legislative 'priorities' and it leads me to believe that Pence would rather be a mullah than a President.
Yeah, Pence is not a conservative, but lugsoul is.

Baghdad has fallen? This was posted March 9. lugsoul apparently thinks that we didn't take Iraq in a few weeks. More Nancy Pelosi style discourse.

ABOUT BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN:[referring to the sex scenes (ewwwww)Not graphic, and very brief.
It is worth seeing. Ledger, who I never really liked in anything except "Monster's Ball," gives a performance for the ages.
Where's the barf alert?

These are the types of things that I referred to when I spoke of how Mr./Ms. lugsoul might be more at home at DU. Or some forum that caters to grumpy libertine libertarians who are anti-US, anti-military and who have a bit of pacifism.

45 posted on 03/14/2006 9:49:28 PM PST by Defiant (Muslim Unitarian:There is no God but Abraham's, and Mohammed said he was his prophet.)
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To: floriduh voter

She did? Last I heard, she wasn't alive. If you shook her side gently from side to side, you could hear the sloshing of the fluid. Correct?


46 posted on 03/14/2006 9:51:31 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: KevinNuPac

Thank you for this remembrance, and for the thoughtful call to reanimate a culture of life in the name of Terri Schiavo.


47 posted on 03/14/2006 10:01:46 PM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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To: BykrBayb
>> Her "bulimia" was invented by the moonbats

The moonbats adopted it, and Michael seized on it for his own alibi. But I gather it was invented by a lawyer for purposes of bringing the malpractice suit. (I think this is from Diana Lynne's book, but at the moment I don't have the book at hand to reference.) When Michael's legal team could not find any malpractice, one lawyer [who was mentioned by name] suggested suing for failure to treat [nonexistent] bulimia. The doctors' lawyers went along with it because it tended to implicate Terri in her own collapse and thus both exonerate the doctors and greatly reduce the settlement.

Later, the Medical Examiner, in his autopsy report, all but mocked the bulimia theory, albeit in polite medical language. He shot it full of holes. There you have retroactive proof, if any were needed, that the lawsuit was fraud.

But then, we didn't need an autopsy to make the point. We said it loud and clear in Free Republic long before Terri was put to death. The case that Terri's injury was not due to bulimia was overwhelming -- and it was proven correct.

The mystery remains: what caused her collapse? The one innocent explanation (bulimia) is gone. The one possible suspect has told several different stories about what happened that night. Either one of his stories is true and the rest are lies, or none is true and they all are lies.

So where's Columbo?

48 posted on 03/14/2006 11:09:38 PM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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To: Windsong
>> She did?

I can't follow. What in post #40 are you referring to? She did what?

49 posted on 03/14/2006 11:16:11 PM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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To: KevinNuPac
Thanks!

God bless Kevin Fobbs!

Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.

8mm

50 posted on 03/15/2006 4:10:04 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: BykrBayb
Further to the invention of the fictional bulimia theory -- it was indeed a lawyer, Gary Fox. See TERRI'S STORY -- the Court-Ordered Death of an American Woman, Diana Lynne's well documented book; page 67. Let me quote a couple of lines:

"In fact, when medical examiner Jon Thogmartin undertook the collection of Terri's medical records to launch his autopsy, he reported that he tracked her initial Humana Hospital-Northside admission records to Fox's office. According to Thogmartin, attorneys on both sides of the malpractice case conceded to the bulimia theory because there was nothing else 'to hang their hats on.'"

So: A consulting lawyer for Michael Schiavo had physical control of the medical records and made up the theory. Bad enough Fox was phishing the med records to contrive a malpractice case. But what was never revealed to the court or to the malpractice jury was the bone scan. I wonder if Fox had that document too? If he did, and suppressed it, the malpractice suit had to be premeditated flim-flam. Evidence that Terri was the victim of trauma would have gotten the suit thrown out of court on the spot.

I will hope and assume there is an innocent explanation for Mr. Fox's course of action; but it eludes me. For that matter, one looks in vain for evidence of integrity in any of Michael Schiavo's lawyers.

51 posted on 03/15/2006 7:47:37 AM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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To: T'wit

The same Gary Fox said this on Greta Van Sustenance's show last year:

GARY FOX, 1992 ATTORNEY FOR SCHIAVOS: "What happened, Greta, as best we know, is that Terri had a condition known as bulimia (search). It's an eating disorder. She'd had it for many years. She grew up as a chubby, overweight child, and over time, she coped with that condition by developing this eating disorder, bulimia."

***"One night, Michael and Terri had had dinner. And she had had a large meal, and not long after the meal, he heard a thumping sound in the couple's bathroom, went to investigate, found Terri lying on the floor of the bathroom. She had just purged, apparently, or vomited, binged, which is what bulimics do and had a heart attack. And by the time that fire rescue arrived at the Schiavo home, why, she had suffered severe brain damage."

http://journals.aol.com/justice1949/JUSTICEFORTERRISCHIAVO/entries/942

Can you believe the guy had the nerve to say this? It could be shown to be patently false. His timeline is nothing like that of any testimony provided by either Michael, Terri's brother, Bobby, or her friend, Jackie.


52 posted on 03/15/2006 11:28:47 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Remarkable! My hat is off to Gary Fox. I don't believe I've ever seen so many lies in two short paragraphs.


53 posted on 03/15/2006 12:17:27 PM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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To: BykrBayb
Ignore the trolls.

Great advice. And it is getting easier to do since it appears their numbers are dropping....:)

God Bless everyone on this thread who stands up for life. The life God created.

54 posted on 03/15/2006 2:19:16 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: supercat
It is also possible to argue that such refusal was right and proper.

If we don't deny an animal a drink of water, how do you arrive that it is possible that Terri should be denied a drink of water? Other than that, I liked your response.

55 posted on 03/15/2006 5:30:00 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: floriduh voter
I sure am glad that I am not important FV. If I was, I might be just like them.
56 posted on 03/15/2006 6:32:46 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
It is also possible to argue that such refusal was right and proper.

If we don't deny an animal a drink of water, how do you arrive that it is possible that Terri should be denied a drink of water? Other than that, I liked your response.

There are facially-valid arguments that such action was legally right and proper. Many of them involve accepting some rather dubious claims as fact, and regarding certain legal theories as compelling over certain others which would seem they should take precedence.

Basically, I would regard that first issue as: if one were to view in the best possible light everything favorable to Michael, Felos, et al., and view in the worst possible light everything favorable to the Schindlers, would it be possible to conclude that Michael's actions were proper.

My interpretation is that if one really stretched the boundaries of "best possible light" and "worst possible light", one might conceivably be able to justify them. It would require stretching credulity to the breaking point, but it might be possible under such terms.

That having been said, my bigger point is that I see no satisfactory justification for the way the Bushes handled this, regardless of whether Michael's behavior was proper or not. It may be that Bush was told that Greer's cops would resist with bloodshed if need be to prevent Terri's rescue. Even if that's the case, I would suggest that bloodshed sufficient to uphold the law would be preferable to allowing open sedition.

57 posted on 03/15/2006 6:45:22 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: T'wit; KevinNuPac; floriduh voter; Ohioan from Florida; bjs1779; yellowdoghunter
Minnesota does us a favor.

Something good is happening in Minnesota, North Country Gazette reports.

MINNESOTA—As the first anniversary of the death of Terri Schiavo nears, the disabled Floridian whose feeding tube was removed by court order, Minnesota legislators debated a proposed new law that would require hospitals to give food and water to dying patients.

Snip

Hospice Minnesota opposes the bill.

Minnesota Bill Would Require Food, Water For Dying Patients

8mm

58 posted on 03/16/2006 5:16:23 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: KevinNuPac
"Terri's Day" sounds the best to my ear, but I wish we could convey the whole time of her suffering. Thirteen unendurable days. Terri's Time. Terri's Passion.

Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice, dean of the Left's civil libertarians, angrily called it "the longest public execution in American history." It was the saddest, too.

Lest we forget: "Judicial Murder" by Nat Hentoff, March 29, 2005

Terri's judicial murder was an evil milestone. It was a day of shame. America's decency and honor were stained by evil. Until the stain is overcome and we are made clean, we will never again be the City on the Hill. A country that will no longer care for the children, the weak, the aged, the ill has become a barbarian rabble.

The White Rose is a perfect symbol for Terri. We say this to the evidoers who tormented Terri and brought shame upon America: We will not shut up, we are your bad conscience; The White Rose will not leave you in peace.


59 posted on 03/16/2006 6:16:15 AM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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To: supercat
>> There are facially-valid arguments that such action was legally right and proper.

I can't think of even one. That part was outside the law, which permits the removal of a medical device but not denial of mouth feeding. That was simply an arbitrary act of evil by George Greer. He had no authority to do it.

It was an act of malevolence.

60 posted on 03/16/2006 6:22:19 AM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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