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Darwin: Headed for the Ash-Heap
And Rightlyso...Conservative Book Club ^ | 1-20-2006 | Jeffrey Rubin

Posted on 03/14/2006 1:37:33 PM PST by joyspring777

Of the three intellectual pillars of modern liberalism -- Marx, Darwin, and Freud -- only one is still standing. Marx fell in 1989, along with the Berlin Wall. Freud's demise is more difficult to date; suffice it to say that, by the end of the century, no one, with the possible exception of Woody Allen, took him seriously any more. Darwin, I predict, will suffer a similar fate within the next ten to fifteen years.

That may seem counterintuitive in light of recent legal and public-relations setbacks suffered by critics of Darwinism -- notably a federal judge's decision forbidding the teaching of "Intelligent Design" (a term for one aspect of the anti-Darwin critique) in Dover, Pa., public schools. But it is a sign of weakness, not strength, when one side in an ostensibly scientific debate resorts to silencing the other. If the case for Darwin is such a slam-dunk, why not welcome the chance for its opponents to make fools of themselves?

No, Darwinists are running scared. Even their attempts to declare victory on scientific grounds betray more than a whiff of desperation. Case in point: the year-end edition of the journal Science hailing "evolution in action" as its "Breakthrough of the Year." Among the "dramatic discoveries" said by the magazine to make 2005 "a banner year for uncovering the intricacies of how evolution actually proceeds," none in itself demonstrates whether evolution proceeds, and they only shed light on how if you first assume that it does.

Here, for instance, is Science editor Donald Kennedy describing "one of my favorites" in this evidentiary explosion: "the European blackcap, a species of warbler that spends the winter in two separate places but then reunites to breed, with birds selecting mates from those who shared the same wintering ground. Assortative mating of this kind can produce a gradual differentiation of the two populations. Biologists have shown that new species can arise because of geographic barriers that separate subpopulations, but the divergent evolution shown in this case could result in new species arising within a single range."

If it seems that the bare facts adduced here don't quite amount to a clear instance of "evolution in action," that's because they don't. At best, they demonstrate what's known as "microevolution" -- modification within a species -- which no anti-Darwinist disputes. What is disputed is "macroevolution," the change of one species into another, which is the central claim of Darwinism. If macroevolution occurs, the "assortative mating" of the European blackcap might help to explain how it works, but it does nothing to prove that it does occur.

The fact is,nothing proves that macroevolution occurs, or ever has occurred. And, at a certain point, the absence of proof, especially where it ought to be abundant, constitutes, if not positive disproof, at least strong reasons for doubt. According to Darwin's theory of descent through gradual modification (by way of random mutation and natural selection), the fossil record should contain near-infinite numbers of ever-so-slightly-different "transitional" forms, and even greater numbers of evolutionary dead ends. Despite the best efforts of archaeologists, not even a hint of that has materialized in the fossil record. Instead, what we should not expect to find, according to Darwin's theory, is what we do find: the sudden appearance of innumerable distinct species, as we have in the so-called Cambrian Explosion.

Needless to say, a debate like this can't be settled in the space of a column. Neither, however, can it be settled by shutting out the other side. Darwinists, of course, would have us believe that there is no other side, only a bunch of anti-science religious fanatics who don't deserve to be heard. That approach can succeed, but not for long. As I say, I give them fifteen years, tops.


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1 posted on 03/14/2006 1:37:35 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777

Have at it my friends....


2 posted on 03/14/2006 1:37:55 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777

What a load of....


3 posted on 03/14/2006 1:38:35 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: joyspring777
BWAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
4 posted on 03/14/2006 1:38:44 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: joyspring777

Is this from Pravda?


5 posted on 03/14/2006 1:40:06 PM PST by somniferum
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To: joyspring777

TOE isn't going away. It just is being ignored.


6 posted on 03/14/2006 1:40:21 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: joyspring777

What hurts more?




Being called liberal?

Or being considered headed for the ash-heap?


7 posted on 03/14/2006 1:41:25 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: joyspring777

There is no theory of evolution, just species Chuck Norris allows to exist.


8 posted on 03/14/2006 1:41:39 PM PST by Firefigher NC (You light ‘em, we fight ‘em!)
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To: joyspring777
Darwin said it.

I believe it.

That settles it.

9 posted on 03/14/2006 1:42:06 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: joyspring777

Is this scrappleface? Because it ought to be.


10 posted on 03/14/2006 1:42:41 PM PST by mysterio
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To: joyspring777

Marx is nowhere near dead enough for me, and Gramsci is as bad, or worse.


11 posted on 03/14/2006 1:43:00 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: Firefigher NC

LOL. Wonder what the dinosaurs did to earn that deadly roundhouse kick?


12 posted on 03/14/2006 1:43:40 PM PST by mysterio
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To: joyspring777

And then, ten to fifteen years after that, we'll fight down the encroachments of the so-called "science" of Chemistry, heralded by the Frenchman Antoine Lavoisier and the Russian Mendeleev! Their lies will fall on deaf ears, and we can all go back to turning lead into gold using tried-and-true principles of trismegistic alchemy.


13 posted on 03/14/2006 1:44:06 PM PST by Omedalus
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To: PatrickHenry

Evidently, Darwin's on the outs for the 150th straight year.


14 posted on 03/14/2006 1:44:42 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: joyspring777
According to Darwin's theory of descent through gradual modification (by way of random mutation and natural selection), the fossil record should contain near-infinite numbers of ever-so-slightly-different "transitional" forms, and even greater numbers of evolutionary dead ends.

That, my friends, is the fart in the Darwinian-Evolution Religion. It stinks and it's ruining the whole charade, but all of the blindly faithful try their best to pretend it's not there.

15 posted on 03/14/2006 1:44:46 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Firefigher NC

Chuck Norris hit a monkey with a roundhouse kick, and back in time Darwin suddenly found himself wearing his ass for a hat.


16 posted on 03/14/2006 1:44:57 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: joyspring777
Why bother; there will always be an abundance of bible toting people who thrive on ignorance.
17 posted on 03/14/2006 1:45:58 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: GLDNGUN
That, my friends, is the fart in the Darwinian-Evolution Religion. It stinks and it's ruining the whole charade, but all of the blindly faithful try their best to pretend it's not there.

Don’t see anyone disputing those missing fossil records.

18 posted on 03/14/2006 1:46:27 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: joyspring777

Darwin bites his own bung?


19 posted on 03/14/2006 1:48:13 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: wallcrawlr
What hurts more? Being called liberal? Or being considered headed for the ash-heap?

I'm not an evo, but if I were, I think being called a liberal would be worse. Going to the ash-heap isn't as bad as it sounds. Everyone ends up there eventually anyway, some ignobly some with their dignity intact.

But being a liberal means dignity doesn't even exist for you.
20 posted on 03/14/2006 1:50:52 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: Omedalus

21 posted on 03/14/2006 1:51:31 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Junior

What I really have great respect for (sarcasm here), are those evolution believing scientists who REFUSE to debate non-scientists.

Hence, the Evolutionary scientist defines scientist as, not someone with a degree in one of the sciences from a respected university, but simply one of the same who believes in evolution too.

So....he or she holds to a very narrowly held definition so he does NOT have to debate anyone he or she disagrees with on a fundamental level.

Note: I am NOT a scientist, just a well read special creationist who watches from the sidelines.


22 posted on 03/14/2006 1:51:51 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: Scourge of God

> Don’t see anyone disputing those missing fossil records.

I don't see Jesus in front of me. Therefore, Christianity is going to the ash-heap of history.


23 posted on 03/14/2006 1:52:43 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Scourge of God; GLDNGUN

Are you two (and the author) suggesting that, if evolution is true, the physical process of fossilization would be substantively different than it is, and there would be more fossils than actually exist?


24 posted on 03/14/2006 1:52:57 PM PST by atlaw
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To: GLDNGUN
That, my friends, is the fart in the Darwinian-Evolution Religion.

Not really. It just exposes the ignorance of those who believe that way. It shows that these critics simply don't understand what they are criticizing.

Evolution isn't linear. It happens in fits and starts.
25 posted on 03/14/2006 1:53:06 PM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: joyspring777

Already past 16 posts; it appears no records will be broken today.


26 posted on 03/14/2006 1:53:18 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: joyspring777
no one, with the possible exception of Woody Allen, took [Freud] seriously any more

absolute drivel - and grammatically ??? - anyway, strains the credibility of the article and the author, including statements about Darwin. Give it a rest already.

27 posted on 03/14/2006 1:53:21 PM PST by BagelFace (BOOGABOOGABOOGA!!!)
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To: joyspring777
Of the three intellectual pillars of modern liberalism -- Marx, Darwin, and Freud

That's really funny. Darwin has made up to genuine boogyman status.

Only a creationist could find a way to link a failed economist, a failed psychiatrist, and one of the most successful scientific theorists extant.

28 posted on 03/14/2006 1:54:31 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: orionblamblam

Who was that guy who said in his lifetime Christianity would cease to exist...

only for his heirs to see Bibles being printed out of his office or home AFTER his death.


29 posted on 03/14/2006 1:54:36 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777

Please! For the love of God! In the name of all that is holy! I beg of you!

Come up with something new! I mean really, how many times can the same old stuff be tossed out and soundly refuted (again). It's sad and depressing.

As an evo I look to you, my IDer and creo opponents. Can you give me something new? Please? Pretty please? With suger on top?


30 posted on 03/14/2006 1:56:22 PM PST by TOWER
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To: mlc9852
TOE isn't going away. It just is being ignored.

It's because it's not being ignored by backward school boards from Pennsylvania to Kansas is why you and I are both here.

Care to try again?

31 posted on 03/14/2006 1:56:26 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: joyspring777
A scientist is one who uses the scientific method to learn about the world around him. There is no special definition of scientist for any one particular discipline.

And, creationists have been trumpeting the downfall of evolution since about 25 years before Darwin's work was published. And, it ain't happened yet.

Now, unless you have some POSITIVE evidence for a particular non-Darwinian view (and by positive, I don't mean picking at evolution), then you really haven't got a dog in this hunt.

32 posted on 03/14/2006 1:56:46 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: joyspring777
Kennedy's a disaster. A political hack.

As far Darwinism/evolution, there's nothing to replace it. There's no alternative theory.

33 posted on 03/14/2006 1:57:04 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: mlc9852
I solved TOE! Haven`t you heard? There are only two forces in physics that exist: Godzilla and Batman. End of story. The Relativity Theory has finally been combined with Quantum Mechanics. Where is my Nobel prize goddammit? I write them every year!

+

= TOE

34 posted on 03/14/2006 1:57:04 PM PST by Screamname (OWWW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq5aTGSR-Pk&search=jessica%20biel)
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To: joyspring777

> Who was that guy who said in his lifetime Christianity would cease to exist...

The brother of the idjit who declared that evolution was going to be overturned by Creationism.


35 posted on 03/14/2006 1:58:19 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Omedalus

I had to read your post a few times concerning Mendeleev before I realized that you were being tongue in cheek.


http://www.chemistry.co.nz/mendeleev.htm


36 posted on 03/14/2006 1:58:23 PM PST by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: orionblamblam

Analogies like this demonstrate serious scientific illiteracy.


37 posted on 03/14/2006 1:58:25 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: GLDNGUN
That, my friends, is the fart in the Darwinian-Evolution Religion. It stinks and it's ruining the whole charade ...

I sure am glad you're posting on the side of all those high minded Christians out there.

38 posted on 03/14/2006 1:59:03 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: joyspring777
Hence, the Evolutionary scientist defines scientist as, not someone with a degree in one of the sciences from a respected university, but simply one of the same who believes in evolution too.

Hey, I have a degree in computer science from a secular state-run university. I could teach programming and discrete math, but they think I'm a neanderthal with two brain cells.
39 posted on 03/14/2006 1:59:14 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: GLDNGUN

Start with the fact that what we call "the fossil record" is one tiny pinpoint in a vast sea of data, most of which has vanished and the rest of which hasn't been found. A pinpoint. For anyone to assume the so-called fossil record can tell us anything on this issue is the ultimate in hubris.


40 posted on 03/14/2006 1:59:33 PM PST by firebrand
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To: orionblamblam

I am laughing my ass off right now.....LoL!


41 posted on 03/14/2006 1:59:43 PM PST by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: narby

Aren't you glad FR is up and running again?


43 posted on 03/14/2006 2:00:50 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: joyspring777
"Here, for instance, is Science editor Donald Kennedy describing "one of my favorites" in this evidentiary explosion ... "

Don Kennedy was a Stanford faculty member (my alma mater) for years before becoming University President and, later, Editor of Science Magazine. He was a smarmy politician first and a scientist second.

His advocacy here lends nothing to the overall Darwin versus ID argument. He is one that will hold on long past the time that others are convinced that Darwin's theory is bankrupt.

44 posted on 03/14/2006 2:00:52 PM PST by tom h
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To: orionblamblam
I don't see Jesus in front of me. Therefore, Christianity is going to the ash-heap of history.

Do you see the moon in front of you? Is it on the ash-heap of history? Do you see the wind? Do you see cellular activity? There’s gonna be a lot of ash-heaps, I suppose.

45 posted on 03/14/2006 2:01:38 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: orionblamblam

Heh, thank you for that image. I've never seen that one before. Cute. :)


46 posted on 03/14/2006 2:01:42 PM PST by Omedalus
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To: joyspring777

It takes an amazing degree of self-deception to call Darwin a pillar of liberalism. Just ask a social-Darwinist. The notions of survival-of-the-fittest and natural selection are compelling images of capitalism whereas a loving, caring Father-Creator is the perfect image of the doting socialist state.


47 posted on 03/14/2006 2:03:26 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: orionblamblam
I don't see Jesus in front of me.

Look harder
48 posted on 03/14/2006 2:03:43 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: joyspring777
Who was that guy who said in his lifetime Christianity would cease to exist...

Voltaire, IIRC
49 posted on 03/14/2006 2:05:12 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: mlc9852

Yeah, what happened? I thought it was hacked or something. I couldn`t get in.


50 posted on 03/14/2006 2:06:08 PM PST by Screamname (OWWW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq5aTGSR-Pk&search=jessica%20biel)
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