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General Who Ordered Attacks on Canadian Troops Becomes Prime Minister of Kosovo
CNW ^ | March 13, 2006

Posted on 03/14/2006 4:57:28 PM PST by Jane_N

TORONTO, March 13 /CNW/ - Agim Ceku, who is alleged to have led an unprovoked 1993 military attack on Canadian Peacekeepers in the Medak Pocket region of Croatia, has been chosen by Albanians to replace the outgoing prime minister of the U.N.-administered southern Serbian province of Kosovo.

The Medak offensive, allegedly planned by Ceku, is also known as the "Medak massacre". This name is entrenched in the minds of many Canadian Armed Forces personnel as Canada's largest military battle since the Korean War. Four Canadians were wounded in the clash that left nearly 30 Croatian soldiers dead.

According to reputable sources, Agim Ceku was instrumental in the 1993 Croatian military offensive at Medak, and was one of the key planners of the 1995 ethnic cleansing operation 'Storm'. Both of these operations involved the deliberate shelling of civilians, rape, torture, systematic arson, and the permanent expulsion of Serbs from the Krajina region of Croatia.

It is an insult to Canada, and in particular the honourable and respected personnel of the Canadian Armed Forces, that Agim Ceku is not behind bars. This recent appointment raises concern that a man who helped plan and execute two campaigns of ethnic cleansing has become the Prime Minister of Kosovo, a province where intolerance towards non-Albanians continues unchecked and unabated.

Over 200,000 Serbs, Jews, and Roma have fled the province of Kosovo due to a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing, while the few who remain live in enclaves and ghettos protected by heavily armed international peacekeepers. More than 2000 non-Albanians have either been killed or kidnapped since 1999.


TOPICS: Canada; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aginceku; balkans; bravosierra; canada; canadiantroops; ceku; croatia; ethniccleansing; kosovo; krajina; princesspatricia; un
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1 posted on 03/14/2006 4:57:31 PM PST by Jane_N
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2 posted on 03/14/2006 5:02:12 PM PST by fanfan ( "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality" - Ayn Rand)
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To: Jane_N

Milosivic was a bad man...but this is the type of person he was opposing, and whose side we ended up assisting.


3 posted on 03/14/2006 5:09:24 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift

Very good point!

5 posted on 03/14/2006 5:14:53 PM PST by fanfan ( "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality" - Ayn Rand)
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To: Jane_N; eyespysomething
More than 2000 non-Albanians have either been killed or kidnapped since 1999.

It is important for us to remember that Islam is the Religion of Peace. And those who insult Islam or the Mighty Moo will have their heads forcibly removed from their shoulders.

6 posted on 03/14/2006 5:16:16 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Jane_N
Why would an Albanian be leading a Croatian offensive?

I realize that the Croatians and Bosnians-when they weren't killing each other-were loosely aligned in a joint counter-offensive against Serbian paramilitaries and invading Serbs, but I didn't realize that they had joint command over military attacks.

7 posted on 03/14/2006 5:36:37 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

"Why would an Albanian be leading a Croatian offensive?"

What exactly are you trying to say with that question? If you are doubting that Agim Ceku had any involvement with the Croatians than do a little search on Google (Agim Ceku + Croatia) and you'll get 19 400 results listed. But in case you can't be bothered doing a little searching of your own, this is what Wikipedia have to say:

"He was closely involved in the subsequent war against Serbia and the breakaway Republic of Serbian Krajina, suffering wounds during fighting at the Medak Pocket in September 1993. He helped to update the doctrine and tactics of the Croatian Army over the next two years, planning the successful Operation Storm in 1995 that ended the war in Croatia. He was decorated nine times by Croatia for his service and rose to the rank of brigadier-general."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agim_Ceku

As to the rest of your commentary, why are you bringing Croatia - Bosnia into this? The article is about Agim Ceku (a Kosovo Albanian) and his role in Croatia. And yes, he did have a commanding role within the Croatian forces.


8 posted on 03/14/2006 5:58:54 PM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: SittinYonder

How dare you bring Islam into this nice article about the loving Albanians! The Canadians might be indignant, but not so crass as to point up the perpetrator's religous affiliation with Osama.


9 posted on 03/14/2006 6:01:43 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (The Prophet Muhammed, Piss Be Upon Him)
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To: Jane_N
Sheesh, take it easy.

It was just a simple question.

When the media reported the Bosnian war and dissolution of Yugoslavia I just got the impression that the makeshift Bosnian-Croatian alliance was akin to the Chinese resistance to the Imperial Japanese Army, i.e. they spent most of their time sniping at each other, rather than fighting their purported enemy.

10 posted on 03/14/2006 6:08:09 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Brad Cloven; eyespysomething
How dare you bring Islam into this nice article about the loving Albanians!

Sorry, you're right. I didn't think my sarcasm would be that apparent. I probably need to go back to Tolerance Training Camp and learn how to say "Religion Of Peace" in a more sincere way.

11 posted on 03/14/2006 6:08:41 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Sorry, didn't mean to jump on you like that. Guess I'm just a little tired of some people on FR always trying to downplay the crimes committed against Serbs on the Balkans threads and made the false assumption that you were trying to imply something with your question: "Why would an Albanian be leading a Croatian offensive?". I apologise.


12 posted on 03/14/2006 6:17:54 PM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Jane_N

bump


13 posted on 03/14/2006 6:43:23 PM PST by lesser_satan (You know, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas.)
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To: Jane_N
"Canada's largest military battle since the Korean War. Four Canadians were wounded in the clash "

Wow. I didn't realize Canada was such a warrior nation.

So is Ceku a Croat? Is he an Albanian? How come he's in Kosovo?

14 posted on 03/14/2006 8:12:24 PM PST by isrul
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To: isrul; Jane_N
"What exactly are you trying to say with that question? If you are doubting that Agim Ceku had any involvement with the Croatians than do a little search on Google (Agim Ceku + Croatia) and you'll get 19 400 results listed. But in case you can't be bothered doing a little searching of your own, this is what Wikipedia have to say:"

"He was closely involved in the subsequent war against Serbia and the breakaway Republic of Serbian Krajina, suffering wounds during fighting at the Medak Pocket in September 1993. He helped to update the doctrine and tactics of the Croatian Army over the next two years, planning the successful Operation Storm in 1995 that ended the war in Croatia. He was decorated nine times by Croatia for his service and rose to the rank of brigadier-general."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agim_Ceku

The article is about Agim Ceku (a Kosovo Albanian) and his role in Croatia. And yes, he did have a commanding role within the Croatian forces.

THE MAN IS A BUTCHER!! AND HE HATES ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS AND PROBABLY WOULD HATE ME AND MY FELOLOW BAPTISTS TOO

15 posted on 03/14/2006 8:34:05 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Proctor; Jane; DTA; FormerLib

PING


16 posted on 03/14/2006 8:35:52 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Jim_Curtis

ping


17 posted on 03/14/2006 8:37:08 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: P-40; SJackson; Alouette

ping


18 posted on 03/14/2006 8:39:46 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: SQUID; kronos77; Travis McGee

ping


19 posted on 03/14/2006 8:41:04 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: tgambill

FYI


20 posted on 03/14/2006 8:42:20 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Jane_N
crimes committed against Serbs on the Balkans threads

Savage is always wanting pictures of the bridges that Clinton had bombed. Do you have a site with some good pictures taken by locals?
21 posted on 03/14/2006 9:40:57 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: isrul; Jane_N; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...
He is Albanian. Officer of the Yugoslav communist army joined Croat neo-Nazi forces and committed war crimes. Story gets even interesting! Canadian citizen – neo-Nazi Gojko Susak - as Croatian defense minister ordered that attack.

That was first and only time in Canadian history that Canadian citizen ordered killing and wounding Canadian soldiers. Well, if you believe official story they have several wounded but not dead. Allegedly, not one Canadian soldier was killed. Canadian public, of course, never learned full story. Officially, there was no Canadian journalist at the scene of the genocide and attacks came after Somalia fiasco so story was killed.

Same happened to 40 + French soldiers killed by muslim in Sarajevo or French “peacekeepers” attacked with rockets and machine-guns at Maslenica 1993.
22 posted on 03/14/2006 9:51:27 PM PST by zagor-te-nej (USS - United States of Serbia)
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To: zagor-te-nej

WOW. That is really interesting. Thanks for the info.


23 posted on 03/14/2006 10:27:19 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Lion in Winter
"What exactly are you trying to say with that question? "

Just wanted to know which he was, Croat or Albanian. Not implying anything.

24 posted on 03/15/2006 2:56:37 AM PST by isrul
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To: zagor-te-nej

This story is mostly true but the facts need a little tweeking. 27 Croats were killed. Not one Canadian injured during the battle. Canadians were killed and inured on that tour but not in that incident. How do I know this?? I was in that battle. The Medak Pocket was one of several incidents on that tour. Very little press coverage of anything that happened there.


25 posted on 03/15/2006 8:47:01 AM PST by recce guy
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To: recce guy

Good to have you here sir, may I personally thank you for you efforts in attempting to save the lives of those helpless Serbs. You should be commended.


26 posted on 03/15/2006 10:31:33 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

What I found very interesting was number of foreign mercs fighting on the Croation side. Europeans and Americans fought against us in that battle. No government will ever own up to it but I believe other nations wanted a quick end to this conflict regardless of the consequences on the ground. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.


27 posted on 03/15/2006 11:20:39 AM PST by recce guy
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To: recce guy
Wasn't that the Princess Patricia unit?

Thanks for helping civilians!!

28 posted on 03/15/2006 11:29:57 AM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: Jane_N
...Canada's largest military battle since the Korean War. Four Canadians were wounded in the clash...

I'm sorry, but that part does strike me as pretty damn funny.

29 posted on 03/15/2006 11:34:38 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Lion in Winter

C & D Coy, 2 PPCLI. Believe it or not, these 2 companies were made up of reservists.


30 posted on 03/15/2006 11:37:30 AM PST by recce guy
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To: Jane_N
It is interesting how the west can see only one side of an ethnic cleansing war.

If the Canucks are upset about this choice of persons for PM they should have made him unavailable for the position, but then liberal maple leafs have more bone and less brains in their skulls, eh?

31 posted on 03/15/2006 11:49:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Islam the religion of piece, any piece they can take.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Is there a good side to ethnic cleansing? Also, Canadian troops are bound by UN ROE's and mandates while deployed. As far as I know the UN does not authorize leadership assasinations.


32 posted on 03/15/2006 12:03:25 PM PST by recce guy
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To: recce guy
"What I found very interesting was number of foreign mercs fighting on the Croation side. Europeans and Americans fought against us in that battle."

It is well know that US MPRIs helped train Croatian forces for Op Storm.

33 posted on 03/15/2006 12:46:43 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

MPRI? Those would be the guys. Very well kitted out and looking quite out of place among croats. BMP's fitted with Browing .50's was another thing that made you look twice.


34 posted on 03/15/2006 1:03:07 PM PST by recce guy
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To: recce guy
You, of course, are bound by your oath and your honor to follow the orders of your military superiors in your courageous and honorable service to your nation. You have done so, and your government has chosen to comply with the UN rules in the Balkans mission. That is their prerogative, and that of Canadians that elect their government (recently more conservative). This is entirely honorable but NOT NECESSARILY WISE policy.

There is no good side to ethnic cleansing, and it is frighteningly common. Being unable to see both side is far worse than objectivity.

If any entity should decide to join a fight not immediately imposed upon them, it would be a good idea to win, win decisively and finally. Only fools and the UN would punish one side of a two sided ethnic cleansing and put up with a manipulator of their use of force. Canadians should be neither.

35 posted on 03/15/2006 1:08:23 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Islam the religion of piece, any piece they can take.)
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To: Navy Patriot

You are entirely correct but your point leans towards nation building. Boths sides were equally guilty and had I had it my way, would have been stomped out of existance. Canada learned some hard lesson's in the Balkans. Number one being you can't trust the UN to make a decision or have a spine. We now distance ourselves from these types of missions. Peace keeping is a myth that was sold to our countrymen and the legend never dies. Everyone seems to forget how the first very UN mission was accomplished.....with a very heavy hand.


36 posted on 03/15/2006 1:26:23 PM PST by recce guy
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To: recce guy
your point leans towards nation building

Well, not intentionally, but I see your point.

Nation building is like working with old dynamite, it can be done, but you must be very careful and it can blow up in your face.

A large part of my family are Canadians, are idealistic and believe that peacekeeping can be done. I believe only sometimes, and it has probably less than a 50% chance of working.

The saying goes, "it's a dirty job but somebody has to do it." I disagree with everything after the "but". Canada got stuck, and the UN has a history of this. Remember Korea? We're still at war there and one of the most evil entities on earth still struts like the KLA and Kosovo government will. MacArthur had a simple solution.

Failure to win gave the world the modern Red China. The UN is helpful alright, that was the first UN action (admittedly enabled by the US).

37 posted on 03/15/2006 2:00:33 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Assassinations, cheaper by the dozen.)
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To: recce guy
"How do I know this?? I was in that battle."

Why don't any of you or any of the others write a book about it and put your photos online? Get the truth out.

There have been many Canadians who've suffered PTSD from what happened.

Some have been quoted that they saw Croat soldiers killing Serbian civilians before their eyes, that they have photos of old women tortured and killed, that they wanted to testify at the Hague about what happened.

However, it doesn't appear the Hague wants good witnesses when Serbs are the victims or when anti-Serb separtists are on killing sprees.

Did you see dead Serbs and/or their animals and pets which had been mutilated or slaughtered?

The UN reports say Dutch mercenaries were responsible for much of the systematic burning of Serbs' homes there.

38 posted on 03/15/2006 2:04:47 PM PST by joan
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To: recce guy
"Boths sides were equally guilty"

Based on what you witnessed only, and not on the media propaganda, you Canadians have proof that Croatian soldiers killed Serb civilians at the Medak pocket.

Did you or any of the Canadian soldiers witness the deaths of Croat civilians by Serb forces? And if so, when and where?

39 posted on 03/15/2006 2:07:30 PM PST by joan
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To: Jane_N
Ceku wants a human rights report | 09:14 -> 12:35 March 15 | Beta

PRISTINA -- Wednesday – Kosovo Prime Minister Agim Ceku would like to see a report on human rights activities in the region.

Ceku has asked all the officials from Kosovo ministries who deal with the protection of human rights, to file a report for him as soon as possible on the success of the implementation of human rights by the ministries.

During a conference for progress in the protection of human rights by the ministries, Ceku showed support for the initiative of the former Kosovo Government of forming a special service to worry about human rights issues in each individual ministry.

He put Arifa Mucolija, a special advisor for basic human rights issues, in charge of coordinating the implementation of human and minority rights within the Government and in other institutions, including non-governmental organisations.

“We must promote the values of tolerance, coexistence, reconciliation and forgiveness, so that everyone in Kosovo can feel equal and respected.” Ceku said.

[From: B92]

40 posted on 03/15/2006 5:45:12 PM PST by Dragonfly
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To: recce guy
Not one?
“The battle left 27 Croat forces killed or wounded, while only four Canadians were lightly wounded by shrapnel.”

Information on that attack, actually on whole Canadian involment in Balkan’s wars is sketchy at best.
I know that some Canadian soldiers were killed in Croatia, Krajina and former Bosnia. It would be interesting to learn official tally on losses Canada suffered in former Yugoslavia.
41 posted on 03/15/2006 6:04:38 PM PST by zagor-te-nej (USS - United States of Serbia)
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To: Dragonfly

Yes, right humans rights... like the "human" rights of Albanians to kill Serbs... can't have that right violated can we???? sarcasm off.


42 posted on 03/15/2006 6:37:57 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I get the more I want to see ISLAM EXPOSED AS THE SHAM it is...)
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To: joan

About two months before Medak Pocket in the Town of Lipik 4 Croat police officers were ambushed by Serbs and killed. There was another incident before that in May, 1993 but I was on leave at the time. The grave yards on both sides were full of new graves and mass grave investigations were always ongoing. It was an ugly war and no one was innocent.


43 posted on 03/16/2006 7:04:50 AM PST by recce guy
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To: joan

"Ghosts of Medak Pocket" written by Carol Off. Came out a couple years ago. CBC website might have info on this. She works for them as a reporter.


44 posted on 03/16/2006 7:11:31 AM PST by recce guy
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To: joan

The only thing that survived in Medak was chickens. Litterally everything else was dead. Heards of dead sheep, cows, horses etc. We found old people in the hills shot in the eye after they could no longer carry packs any further, women raped, shot in the stomach and burned alive in tires. Evidence of body's removed because their brain matter was still dripping off tree leaves....the list goes on. There were a lot of Mercs on the ground. All had US kit but some had new FN Carbons indicating they were probably European.


45 posted on 03/16/2006 7:19:55 AM PST by recce guy
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To: recce guy
"Town of Lipik 4 Croat police officers were ambushed by Serbs and killed"

Police officers aren't civilians - aren't women and children, the elderly, the infirm, etc. Police officers were known for kidnapping torturing and killing Serb civilians.

Can you think of any Croat women, children or old men killed by Serbs?

46 posted on 03/16/2006 11:53:40 AM PST by joan
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To: recce guy

I know she has written a book, however the reviews complain she doesn't have any of the photos at all - not one - that the Canadians took. There were other things she left out as well, according to a soldier who reviewed her book on Amazon.com.


47 posted on 03/16/2006 11:55:35 AM PST by joan
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To: recce guy
The only thing that survived in Medak was chickens. Litterally everything else was dead. Heards of dead sheep, cows, horses etc. We found old people in the hills shot in the eye after they could no longer carry packs any further, women raped, shot in the stomach and burned alive in tires. Evidence of body's removed because their brain matter was still dripping off tree leaves....the list goes on.

And this is a great deal different than 4 Croat police officers ambushed during the war, when they were notorious for torturing and killing civilians - it was the Croat police who starting the killings - in Vukovar, for example - to kick off the war in the first place.

You did not say if the Croat police officers were raped or tortured. Sounds like they were killed cleanly.

The KLA wasn't faulted for killing Serb police officers at all - they were doing that because Albanians were "oppressed" - so the mainstream media explains with no apologies.

You cannot equalize police and army killed without torture versus systematic mutilation, rape, killing and burning of civilians - including the elderly and infirm.

48 posted on 03/16/2006 12:00:34 PM PST by joan
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To: joan
I get the feeling you're fairly defensive of one side in this conflict.

I only know 1 guy who took his own photo's and have never seen them. Most guys thought it in bad taste to take pictures of what we saw. Plus there is not much room for cameras when loaded down with weapons and ammo. I have pictures of the area and the guys but nothing of the nature you seek.

In the spring or summer I personally let a Croat trucker through a checkpoint to the Serb side. He was hauling cigarettes and in a hurry. He only made it a couple Km's past us and was captured, imprisoned and killed 2 days later by the Serbs. ROE's did not allow us to detain civi's wanting to cross the front lines unarmed. For several weeks after that every Serb we talked to was smoking Croatian cigarettes and jokingly said "Croatia" as they lit up a new one.

A few weeks before the Medak Pocket I was on the front lines of an active battle near a strategically important bridge. We had taken over from the French force who had lost credibility in the area. One day a Serb in a T-64 fired a round across the balcony I was standing on and into a Serb village below me. Lucky no one was injured in the village. The villagers of course thought that we had fired the round and it took some time to convince them we were not to blame.

The Croatians may have ended the war in a very ugly way but no one was innocent.
49 posted on 03/16/2006 2:28:04 PM PST by recce guy
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To: recce guy
Was the guy named Rich Mills? For if not, then you have an additional person with photographs. In review of the book, says he has photos; another reviewer says it is mentioned that "a number of soldiers" have photos but none are in the book.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679312943/sr=8-1/qid=1142548401/ref=sr_1_1/103-9083355-9103017?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Accurate, but only scratches the surface, December 1, 2004
Reviewer: Rich Mills (Halifax, NS Canada) - See all my reviews
I was there. For years I wasn't believed when I spoke of what happened, even when I had photographs to back me up, so I stopped talking about it. Only my family and a few friends believed me at the tme, and I think it was mostly because I wasn't the same person who left for Croatia in April 1993. This book should be read by anybody who thinks peacekeeping is a warm and fuzzy, Sesame Street-type exercise. There is a reason why the soldiers who take part in these operations don't refer to it as peacekeeping but call it military operations other than war, or MOOTWA for short. We did what many couldn't or wouldn't do.


Well-written and fair, but not complete, December 27, 2004

I do have a few problems with The Ghosts of Medak Pocket. The two maps provided in the hardcover version are wholly inadequate, and dozens of towns, regions and battles are discussed but never situated within a geographic visual aid. Off also mentions that a number of soldiers took their own pictures in the aftermath of the ethnic cleansing, but her book provides no pictures whatsoever. Given the emotionally intense subject matter, a few of these photos would be very informative.

50 posted on 03/16/2006 2:38:42 PM PST by joan
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