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Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
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Posted on 03/14/2006 5:58:55 PM PST by Louisiana

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?

Consider this:

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; musilim; muslims; patriotism
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To: Question_Assumptions

Stop, you're making the bigots look bad!


41 posted on 03/14/2006 6:50:59 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

I think the difference between my opinion and some others is that I do not believe that ALL Muslims are evil. For example, there are Muslims in the U.S. military who serve side by side with our military men and women. I would not dishonor those Muslims who are out there risking their lives to protect and defend this nation by allowing myself to be brainwashed into thinking that EVERY Muslim is our enemy.


42 posted on 03/14/2006 6:51:35 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
This has everything to do with the Kurds' well-earned hatred of Saddam and nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of patriotism.



OK ...they like W cuz we helped them.

That means they are 10 steps ahead of the rest of the world. Even blue state America.
Did you know that W's picture is on the wall of most Kurdish classrooms? Can you say that about a classroom in say...California?

See my previous post and ...travel to Dubai or get to know an Arab before just saying baseless words
43 posted on 03/14/2006 6:54:06 PM PST by Blackirish (What kind of name is Plame anyway?)
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To: eyespysomething
Stop, you're making the bigots look bad!

Why is it that every time I see you on a thread you're taking up for bigots?

44 posted on 03/14/2006 6:54:33 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: All

The Question is about ALLEGIANCE to the USA.
The Subject of the Sentence is DEVOUT muslims - not nominal.

"Devout" is totally different from "nominal"

nominal Republicans = RINO's
Can a devout republican vote like a democrat or RINO? no.

nominal Christians = hypocrites
Can a devout Christian live like the devil? no.

The keyword "devout" refers to "allegiance"

Therefore,... if one is DEVOUT to Islam, he/she cannot be a LOYAL PATRIOTIC AMERICAN.

He/she must choose his/her ALLEGIANCE.


45 posted on 03/14/2006 6:56:27 PM PST by Louisiana
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To: pickrell

Don't you love when they drag out this comparison?
The IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE is- people ERRONEOUSLY believed that a Catholic President( and I use that term very loosely re. JFK) would be controlled by the Pope. They believed that the Church, through priests and the Vatican, would call the shots.
Of course, NO priest or Pope ever threatened to do any such thing, nor did they call for obedience to the Catholic religion to supersede the laws of this country.
Priests didn't preach against the laws of this country and demand that all become Catholic or face death.
Islam does. Mullahs DO.
In one case the fear was completely unfounded.
In the case of Islam it is not only well-documented, it is openly admitted.


46 posted on 03/14/2006 6:57:28 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: pissant

Study the concept of "Taqiyah."

Ie, in Islam it's OK to lie to the Infidels in the furtherance of Religion.


47 posted on 03/14/2006 6:58:48 PM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: Louisiana

No.
Contradiction in terms.
Like a vegetarian cannibal.
One thing or the other- THEIR rules, not ours.


48 posted on 03/14/2006 6:59:56 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
"That's not really in the Koran."

There over 100 mentions of jihad against unbelievers in the Koran. A few examples follow.

Qur’an 47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly”

Qur’an 2:191: “And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter…”

Qur’an 9:123: “O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him”

Qur’an 9:73: “Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate”

Qur’an 9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”

Islam, a religion of peace. I think not.

49 posted on 03/14/2006 7:00:31 PM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: eyespysomething
Stop, you're making the bigots look bad!

I am compelled to wear your badge of "bigot" with pride. Reasonable people are evaluating their preconceived notions, and bouncing these off of their individual experiences. I have traveled internationally, and continue to have dealings with offshore companies. Within the guidelines and constraints that exist today. Name-calling and castigation, especially among fellow Americans, is impolite.

50 posted on 03/14/2006 7:01:35 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: Blackirish
Well then you need to see more. How many times have you been to the Middle East? Have you ever read the Gulf News...the UAE newspaper? Do you know any Arabs? Do you speak any Arabic I run the Middle east division for my Co. I talk to Arab clients all day. I just got back from Abu-Dabi and Dubai. I go to Jeddah next month. I'm not trying to nail you ...but the raw ignorance about Arab culture on this website since the port fiasco is really friggin mind blowing.

Makes me almost ashamed to be here sometimes. I appreciate your comments, Blackirish even though I'm suspicious of ALL Irish people and their little leprechauns too. (just kidding...lol)

51 posted on 03/14/2006 7:01:42 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Blackirish
I don't have a problem with the UAE owning Companies involved with port terminal management.

Heck, I have more trouble with the a$$holes in the Longshoremen Unions than I have with devout muslims.

I have never been to the middle east, but I do require fuel in the course of my daily life. Therefore I have something at stake in all of this business, never mind the lives of my sons who defend us all.

I do not consider myself to be ignorant about Arab culture. Au contraire.

I simply think that a devout Muslim is not likely someone who can be relied upon as a patriot or a loyal citizen of this country.

I am sorry that we disagree, as we apparently do.
52 posted on 03/14/2006 7:03:59 PM PST by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Louisiana
I seem to remember similar arguments about Catholics.

They were bulls**t, too.

53 posted on 03/14/2006 7:04:48 PM PST by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: F16Fighter
Not at all. Look at the first two lines

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

My allegiance is to Christ first and foremost. If my nation does something that my Christian faith is in opposition with, should I still be required to hold an allegiance to the government and support what my nation does? The Bible has told us there will come a time the world hates Christians. This doesn't mean just outside of the borders of this nation of states, it means everywhere. When that time comes (and it's quickly on its way) where should my allegiance lie then?

54 posted on 03/14/2006 7:05:14 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: marron
You could ask the same thing of a Christian. A committed Christian, will always put his allegiance to God first.

True. But the United States Constitution and our society were designed so that there is no conflict between being an American and being a Christian, so placing God first in no way detracts from ones committment to the law and the American way. This simply is not true of Islam.

55 posted on 03/14/2006 7:06:38 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: eyespysomething
Stop, you're making the bigots look bad!

That's the idea.

The reaction the friend I've been talking about had after 9/11 was that he felt like he was in 1979 all over again, when he was the Iranian kid taking flack for what the nuts his family had fled were doing in Iran.

In another thread, I posted these two articles (here and here) about stereotype accuracy. Stereotypes have their usage, but the Derbyshire article (the second one) describes how reasonable people use stereotypes where he talks about the myths that give stereotypes a bad game. Read the sections that start with "Item: People ascribe a stereotype to everybody in the subject group" and "Item: Stereotypes blind us to individual characteristics". Those the define the line, in my opinion, between reasonable generalizations and bigotry. I recommend the book the Derbyshire article talks about, as well.

56 posted on 03/14/2006 7:07:37 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
They are practicing Muslims like Ted Kennedy is a practicing Catholic.

If Teddy was a practicing Muslim, his head would have been separated from his body long ago. I guess the catholics are more tolerant?????

57 posted on 03/14/2006 7:10:28 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: Blackirish

The 'raw ignorance of Arab culture' blows your mind?
The naive trust in people belonging to a culture, and religion, that promotes LYING to outsiders scares the hell out of me!
How can ANYONE deal with a culture , and religion, that has duplicity at its core?
More suspicion, and less trust, and we wouldn't have had 9-11.


58 posted on 03/14/2006 7:10:32 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: gpapa

Yep, the Bin Ladens of the world hate the apostates, whether because they are Shiites, moderates, drink beer, or like western culture. Fortunately, the Iraqi people and the Afghan people hate Bin Laden more.


59 posted on 03/14/2006 7:12:26 PM PST by pissant
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To: hinckley buzzard
This has everything to do with the Kurds' well-earned hatred of Saddam and nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of patriotism. Did they dance in the streets and say God bless George Bush after the 2004 elections? Why not?What does saying 'God bless George Bush' have to do with patriotism? Does that make one patriotic?
60 posted on 03/14/2006 7:13:49 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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