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McCain Screams at 9/11 Families for a Security America Member for Opposing his Illegal Amnesty Bill
9/11 Families for a Secure America ^ | 15 March 2005 | Peter Gadiel

Posted on 03/15/2006 5:16:58 PM PST by Spiff

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151 posted on 03/16/2006 2:16:46 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: n230099
Agreed regardless of whether one agrees with McCain or the 9/11 families represented by these individuals no one in public office should loose their cool especially if this report is correct to the point of having to "encouraged" by security to go back into the building.
152 posted on 03/16/2006 2:47:03 AM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: willyd
I bet we could come up with more than were killed on 9/11 if we tried.

Start here.

153 posted on 03/16/2006 2:51:11 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
No so fast. While I may not agree with McCain on many issues, trying to equate 9/11 terrorists with the cheap labor coming into america are two different problems. albeit they are both huge problems.

I agree with you for the most part, but not linking or seeing the relationship between illegal immigration and possible future terrorism would be ill advised. Our enemies will try to exploit our weaknesses and illegal immigration is one of our weaknesses.

The Senator from Arizona has been a major dissapointment to me. I used to idolize the man and still respect his sacrifices, but will not support him in his future presidential ambitions.

154 posted on 03/16/2006 2:55:03 AM PST by Toadman
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To: goldstategop
++++++++I can think of plenty of reasons to disqualify John McCain - and that's one. Another is his stand on illegal immigration. +++++++++++++

Yet another is Little John's relationship with North Vietnamese Communists

155 posted on 03/16/2006 3:04:13 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Toadman

"I used to idolize the man and still respect his sacrifices, but will not support him in his future presidential ambitions."

Have you heard much about Senator Tom Coburn from here in Oklahoma? Problems is, if someone approached him about it, he would probably answer, "Why would I want to do that?", which would make him all the more appealing. He is a maverick too, but typically to the right of the republican party.


156 posted on 03/16/2006 3:34:51 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: Theo
I must be an idiot. I just do not understand that headline.

Aaargh! I can't believe I had a typo in the title of a post. I hate that! It is one of my pet peeves. It should read McCain Screams at 9/11 Families for a Secure America Member for Opposing his Illegal Amnesty Bill.

157 posted on 03/16/2006 3:43:17 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Toadman

"...but not linking or seeing the relationship between illegal immigration and possible future terrorism would be ill advised."

Absolutely. The problem is, it is such a problem trying to unlink our industry from the illegal immigration. (and those of you that say 'Just do it! Make it happen!, hold off on your idealistic ammo because it ain't gonna happen). Specifically, the construction business does not "employ" illegals. They typically have a 'gringo' general contractor running the operation. This guy, typically only high school educated, is living in the 'here and now' trying to make a buck. They don't care if they get shut down. Thus, he wins the 'low bid' in getting the job, and then has his legal, spanish-speaking mexican superintendent round up the mexicali's at the local 7-11. If something goes wrong, he claims ignorance. Now if the response to this is, "well, arrest him,' then I suggest you go look at every residential, new construction job site on the east coast, west coast, and in the south, and tell all the mortgage bankers, suppliers, realtors, closings companies, developers, city councils, appraisers, surveyors, that have kept this economy going that you want it all to come to a halt. Good luck. Don't you realize that it is the illegal labor that has been floating the housing market, thus the entire U.S. economy, and now it appears that that is in jeopardy, and the WH official on health wants us to put canned tuna and powder milk under our beds?

How about this:
All illegals must register under some federal identity program.
All must be fingerprinted and entered in a worker database.
All must show a record of "paid" health insurance policy.
All must show appropriate, valid drivers license.
All must register all family members in the states.
All must pass some basic english speaking skills.
All must pass a bilateral crime database exchange shared between the U.S. and mexico to ferret out the criminals.

If they can't pass the above seven points, they get thrown out.


158 posted on 03/16/2006 3:47:51 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: BurbankKarl

Right.......NO McCain for President...NO Amnesty for socialists!!


159 posted on 03/16/2006 4:18:12 AM PST by stopem
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

How about this...
NOT allowed into this Country
All that are here are THROWN OUT

Immediately hire real AMERICANS!

BS that our economy will sink if they are all gone, just some more socialist propaganda!


160 posted on 03/16/2006 4:21:31 AM PST by stopem
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To: HiJinx; Spiff
"After all I've done for you people!"

Maybe if we quietly leave baskets of strawberries on his doorstep, he'll calm down. Can you imagine this guy as president?

161 posted on 03/16/2006 4:34:43 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("Life is a box of chocolates. Eat them before they eat you ".---me.)
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To: King Prout

"McInsane. He and Dean... Brothers across the aisle."

KP, you may be closer to the truth than even you believe.

When I see or read about the ultra egotistic bastards on the left and our Rhino side come unglued, I have felt that there is a DNA spiral that is common in these folks.


162 posted on 03/16/2006 4:44:18 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Visit Free Republic to enjoy shameless Schadenfreude as the lies of liberals are exposed!)
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To: PhilDragoo

McAinal as the Manchurian Presidential Candidate in 2008 is very scary.


163 posted on 03/16/2006 4:48:28 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Visit Free Republic to enjoy shameless Schadenfreude as the lies of liberals are exposed!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Maybe if we quietly leave baskets of strawberries on his doorstep, he'll calm down. Can you imagine this guy as president?

Calm down? Hell, I want to provoke him into a public, frothing rage. Get it on camera and you can stick a fork in him because he's done.

I like your idea though. I would add some Queen of Diamonds playing cards. Maybe a matchbook or some other memorabilia from the "Hanoi Hilton" where he received special treatment.

164 posted on 03/16/2006 5:44:36 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: JohnMarvin

I agree.


165 posted on 03/16/2006 6:13:48 AM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: Spiff

"ELECT ME NOW!!

McCain: The GOP's 2008 Ahmadinejad Candidate!

166 posted on 03/16/2006 6:41:40 AM PST by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: stopem

"Immediately hire real AMERICANS!"

Of course, there is always that.

How about giving corporations huge tax breaks if they hire native-born or naturalized citizens, or contracting with subcontractors that are 90% native-born or naturalized? Might be an idea to ponder.


167 posted on 03/16/2006 6:49:13 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: muleskinner

show him for what he is and that will be that."

Like nobody showed Clinton for what he was before he was elected to a second term?


168 posted on 03/16/2006 7:00:54 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: DevSix

the vast majority(9-11 families) that have been working the TV circuits don't have a clue what they are talking about."

But you do?You know all those people that you can make a blanket statement about "the vast majority of them?


169 posted on 03/16/2006 7:04:09 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Seriously, I have one rather simple question. And please think about it closely. If we shipped all the illegals out of the country tomorrow, what would happen to american manufacturing and the agriculture sector?

You didn't ask me but here's my take. Their jobs will be quickly filled by all those WAITING IN LINE to enter this country legally.

170 posted on 03/16/2006 7:38:42 AM PST by StarFan
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To: firebrand; JulieRNR21

Here's McEgo in full dress.


171 posted on 03/16/2006 7:43:35 AM PST by StarFan
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To: StarFan

"You didn't ask me but here's my take. Their jobs will be quickly filled by all those WAITING IN LINE to enter this country legally."

That's a great point and should definitely be considered.


172 posted on 03/16/2006 8:08:55 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: Spiff

Will he break down like Howard Dean during the primaries? (We can only hope...)


173 posted on 03/16/2006 8:23:07 AM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: Spiff
McCain does make one valid point as it regards his reported remarks in this encounter. If 77% of the voters in Arizona are returning him to office, they must think he's doing something right. And the "generic" national polls on him vs. Hillary (and on his personal favorability) tend to indicate that his stand on immigration isn't killing him nationally, either. If we're going to fault the Senator for his views on immigration, then we also have to fault the voters in Arizona (and the respondents in the national polls) for affirming his position.
174 posted on 03/16/2006 8:41:31 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: philetus
Yeah - The vast majority of those representing "9-11" families in the MSM (Jersey Girls for example) don't have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to national security.

That is the bottom line, no PC BS.

175 posted on 03/16/2006 8:44:26 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: HiJinx
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


176 posted on 03/16/2006 8:57:47 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: willyd; Spiff; ClaireSolt; All
I bet we could come up with more than were killed on 9/11 if we tried.

According to Mike Cutler, former INS who testifies before congress, it's more killed every year by illegals than we lost on 9/ll.

Mike Cutler: It is currently estimated that some 30% of the federal inmate population is comprised of convicts who are identified as being "foreign born." When I was assigned to the Unified Intelligence Division of DEA in New York from 1988 to 1992 I compiled statistics concerning the nature of the defendants who were arrested by DEA and the DEA Task Force in New York. It was estimated that some 60% of the defendants arrested in New York City were identified as being "foreign born" while 30% of the defendants arrested nationwide were identified as being "foreign born." Those numbers remained constant for several years afterwards and I believe they would not be much different today.

Additionally, I have heard that some 90% of the arrest warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for aliens. I believe that it would not be hard to show that more than 3,000 murders per year can be attributed to illegal aliens in our country.

And this according to the border patrol: http://www.usborderpatrol.com/borderframe87.htm

snip.... TODAY, we have nearly 11,000 criminals invading our country each and every night and the murder rate from them is over 18 dead each day and nothing is done.

And again, these millions of people flooding our southern border -- 11,000 a night -- are now being supported, and even funded, by al Qaeda and the Mexican drug cartels.

ALSO:

http://www.cairco.org/issues/issues_crime_us.html

In fiscal year 2002, 33.6% of criminals sentenced in federal district courts under Federal Sentencing Guidelines were non-citizens, and 55% of these non-citizens were illegal aliens. This means that illegal aliens accounted for 17.5% of all crimes prosecuted in federal courts, whereas they are less than 6% of the adult population. From 1980 to 1999, the number of illegal aliens in federal and state prisons grew from 9,000 to 68,000. Today, criminal aliens account for about 30% of the inmates in federal prisons and 15-25% in many local jails. Incarceration costs to the taxpayers were estimated by the Justice Department in 2002 to be $891 million for federal prison inmates and $624 million for inmates in state prisons.(snip)

PLEASE also be aware that this 9/11 group is NOT the same as the lefty 9/11 group that McCain buttered up to. Evidently he didn't know the difference. See, http://www.911fsa.org/

snip- Meeting with Administration officials Since the 9/11 attacks, 9/11 FSA has several times asked for meetings with representatives of the Bush Administration. These requests were ignored. Then, in December we were called by a Bush official who asked us to meet with her and did so in January. This was very useful and we were invited to a second meeting, this time with a person holding a senior position in the Administration. This occurred immediately after our outdoor visit with Sen. McCain, and was much friendlier. We have no delusions that 9/11 FSA is now a Washington powerhouse, but we think that we have achieved a minor degree of influence. The explosive response of McCain and the sudden interest on the part of Administration officials may be indications of our voice being heard and listened to by elected officials and policy makers.

177 posted on 03/16/2006 9:04:38 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
Additionally, I have heard that some 90% of the arrest warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for aliens. I believe that it would not be hard to show that more than 3,000 murders per year can be attributed to illegal aliens in our country. And this according to the border patrol: http://www.usborderpatrol.com/borderframe87.htm snip.... TODAY, we have nearly 11,000 criminals invading our country each and every night and the murder rate from them is over 18 dead each day and nothing is done.

We need one of those counters that I've seen on the web that automatically tallies the dead due to the invasion over our southern borders. Something that starts with the approximate number murdered by criminal invaders/illegal aliens and then start the counter from there at the rate of 3,000 to 6,500 per year. Compare it to terrorist attacks against America (around 3,000 killed) and the number of our soldiers killed in the WoT (around 2,300). Hopefully, this would be something that could be posted via an img link or something, that would work in FR and other forums. I'll look into how to do such a thing, but if anyone has any suggestions it would speed things up.

178 posted on 03/16/2006 10:11:12 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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179 posted on 03/16/2006 10:17:51 AM PST by devolve (<center> <img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c105/007access/911A.gif" border="20"> </center>)
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To: Spiff; dbolles; Wallaby
Peter Gadiel : “ Yeah sure. You won that race by getting 85 % of your money from out of state.”

Only because Kemper Marley isn't around to give McCain money in exchange for control of the puppet strings anymore.

180 posted on 03/16/2006 10:28:18 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: raybbr
I bet we could come up with more than were killed on 9/11 if we tried.

Start here.

Nah. It begins *here*.



181 posted on 03/16/2006 10:34:19 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
How about this: All illegals must register under some federal identity program.

All must be fingerprinted and entered in a worker database.

All must show a record of "paid" health insurance policy.

All must show appropriate, valid drivers license.

All must register all family members in the states.

All must pass some basic english speaking skills.

All must pass a bilateral crime database exchange shared between the U.S. and mexico to ferret out the criminals.

Sorry for taking so long to respond. I agree with your points above. I haven't heard much about Senator Coburn, but I'll review his past performance.

182 posted on 03/16/2006 12:36:17 PM PST by Toadman
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To: Toadman

"Sorry for taking so long to respond"

Whoops. Left out "All must have pre-paid, annual car insurance."


183 posted on 03/16/2006 12:38:19 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: Toadman

I wish people would spend half as much time working in their own cities to change sanctuary policies and other refusal to cooperate with feds. They can make a million laws in Washington and it won't do any good as long as illegals are safe in NYC and LA and South Florida cities. I see stories of some state and local officials beginning to cooperate, but most of you blame Bush instead of the state and local officials who have made this situation almost impossible by refusing to cooperate.


184 posted on 03/16/2006 1:03:24 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Toadman

http://coburn.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=About.Biography


185 posted on 03/16/2006 2:42:53 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: capt. norm

LOL!!


186 posted on 03/16/2006 3:33:21 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: Spiff
Brownback is every bit as bad as McCain. Two friends of mine scheduled an appointment with him at least 4 weeks ago for last week to talk to him about illegal immigration. When they arrived he acted as if he had an important meeting come up, but he would chat with them on his way to the meeting. He stated, "I simply do not have it in my heart to send widows and orphans back to their countries."
187 posted on 03/16/2006 3:42:51 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
One problem is immediate catastrophic terrorism. The other is slow catastrophic immigration issues. Talk to Bush about the immigration issues. I think he has the terrorism issues covered, except for the portgate fiasco

Considering how porous the borders apparently are....I'm thinking we could very easily have a potential terror event..that's traced to our borders.

FWIW-

188 posted on 03/16/2006 4:12:16 PM PST by Osage Orange (PC is BS)
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To: goldstategop
That's one reason why he should never be President. You don't want a guy who blows his stack with his finger on the nuclear trigger. I can think of plenty of reasons to disqualify John McCain - and that's one. Another is his stand on illegal immigration.

Another reason would be his apparent magnetic attraction to microphones, and T.V. lights.

189 posted on 03/16/2006 4:13:43 PM PST by Osage Orange (PC is BS)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
after all the crimes, murders, robbery, rapes, auto accidents committed by these illegals and documented ad nauseum here on FR..you are either uninformed or very callus to the citizens of this country.

In fifteen minutes, every crime will be terrorism.

190 posted on 03/16/2006 4:18:57 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Spiff

I have said it before, I will say it again....all issues aside, McCain is unstable.

His approach to the (if true) was not the material Presidents are made of. Calm, rational, disarming...none of those are part of the real John McCain.

I fear the "after all I've done for you people" is.

If this turns out to be untrue, I will have to apologize.


191 posted on 03/16/2006 4:21:50 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: PhilDragoo

McCain's almost as bad as Hillary for having so many awful pictures of him taken.


192 posted on 03/16/2006 8:29:32 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: devolve

Now that's a cute way of posting! Wish we could put them into a 3 frame gif but can't since they already are animations! You know what I mean as these may be tables.


193 posted on 03/16/2006 8:37:45 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: ClaireSolt
I wish people would spend half as much time working in their own cities to change sanctuary policies and other refusal to cooperate with feds. They can make a million laws in Washington and it won't do any good as long as illegals are safe in NYC and LA and South Florida cities. I see stories of some state and local officials beginning to cooperate, but most of you blame Bush instead of the state and local officials who have made this situation almost impossible by refusing to cooperate.

I agree with you. The effort needs to be applied at all levels. Citizenry, City, County, State, and Federal.

I don't know if you were speaking in general, but I do not blame the President OR local officials. I admire and respect the President. I approve of the majority of his decisions. I don't believe there was a malevolent intent at any level of government allowing illegal immigration to have developed to it's current state.

Has it been just negligence (at one or all levels)? Perhaps, but I don't know enough yet to make an informed decision or form a reliable opinion.

194 posted on 03/17/2006 6:51:28 AM PST by Toadman
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To: ClaireSolt
I wish people would spend half as much time working in their own cities to change sanctuary policies and other refusal to cooperate with feds. They can make a million laws in Washington and it won't do any good as long as illegals are safe in NYC and LA and South Florida cities. I see stories of some state and local officials beginning to cooperate, but most of you blame Bush instead of the state and local officials who have made this situation almost impossible by refusing to cooperate.

I agree with you. The effort needs to be applied at all levels. Citizenry, City, County, State, and Federal.

I don't know if you were speaking in general, but I do not blame the President OR local officials. I admire and respect the President. I approve of the majority of his decisions. I don't believe there was a malevolent intent at any level of government allowing illegal immigration to have developed to it's current state.

Has it been just negligence (at one or all levels)? Perhaps, but I don't know enough yet to make an informed decision or form a reliable opinion.

195 posted on 03/17/2006 6:51:28 AM PST by Toadman
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To: Spiff

Mcain needs to retire, in fact he needs to be forcibly retired.

Send him home folks.

Along with anyone else that votes for this treasonous piece of legislation.


196 posted on 03/17/2006 6:53:50 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: King Prout

I think you're on to something. I do get them mixed up in my mind, probably because they are both borderline crazy.


197 posted on 03/17/2006 6:57:22 AM PST by pepperdog
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To: Toadman

Some argue that it has been purposeful. It is pretty common to hear democratic analysts say that the demographics are making the country more democratic as they claim the Hispanic vote. Bill O'Reilly has reported on the policies of the Ford foundation designed to create an underclass which would support a socialist revolution.
The laws were changed in the 70's and we are seeing the cumulative results.


198 posted on 03/17/2006 7:59:12 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: HiJinx

We know he has tantrums and throws chairs. . .we know he does the 'expedient'; so WHY is McCain even 'going there' and why are ANY Bush folks, going with him?


199 posted on 03/19/2006 7:11:46 PM PST by cricket
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To: WatchingInAmazement
I found the source for one of your quotes from Michael Cutler at
Mike Cutler: It is currently estimated that some 30% of the federal inmate population is comprised of convicts who are identified as being "foreign born." When I was assigned to the Unified Intelligence Division of DEA in New York from 1988 to 1992 I compiled statistics concerning the nature of the defendants who were arrested by DEA and the DEA Task Force in New York. It was estimated that some 60% of the defendants arrested in New York City were identified as being "foreign born" while 30% of the defendants arrested nationwide were identified as being "foreign born." Those numbers remained constant for several years afterwards and I believe they would not be much different today.

Additionally, I have heard that some 90% of the arrest warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for aliens. I believe that it would not be hard to show that more than 3,000 murders per year can be attributed to illegal aliens in our country.

I found it at http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2005/11/michael-cutler-former-ins-agentdobbs.html

Any further information on this subject would be appreciated. I'm looking around for better statistics and sources on this specific fact.

200 posted on 03/22/2006 11:49:18 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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