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Campbell Live: Neighbourhoods Opting For Private Policing (New Zealand)
TV3 (New Zealand) "Campbell Live" ^ | March 15, 2006 | Campbell Live

Posted on 03/16/2006 12:23:03 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter

Crime in New Zealand is probably not something you get to see much news about in the United States. Life here is very different to life in the USA, and despite what you may have heard, Crime is a growing problem DownUnder. And we are seeing a proliferation of some purely-American criminal elements and ideas, such as "Crips" and "Bloods" and colors, and the occasional drive-by-shooting. These are new concepts to us: they were not here 10 years ago.

Accordingly, we have imported some good old-fashioned American ideas to help us combat Crime: such as the Guardian Angels. (Full disclosure: that's me in the video)

Therefore, I thought this short TV news video clip might be interesting to you:

http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/tabid/67/articleID/5145/Default.aspx

Enjoy! And I will be interested in your feedback...

Kind Regards "DieHard the Hunter"


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: community; crime; curtissliwa; guardianangels; newzealand; policing; volunteerism
This is my first post: I might have got it wrong or stuffed up somehow. Flame me if you must, but please be gentle!

I've lurked for a while, trying to learn the ropes, and sought competent advice...

...and I've RTFM'd and FAQ'd! Best I can do!

1 posted on 03/16/2006 12:23:09 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Hey I was thinking about you the other day--wondering how you were doing. I'll check out the video--hopefully I can pull it up.


2 posted on 03/16/2006 12:28:21 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: DieHard the Hunter
This film was made in 1994 (12 years ago). How close is this movie to reality in New Zealand?


3 posted on 03/16/2006 12:31:10 AM PST by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: sully777

> This film was made in 1994 (12 years ago). How close is this movie to reality in New Zealand?

It is a spooky reality -- if anything, Reality has gotten much worse.

As usual, the book is "better" than the movie, if "better' means "more close to reality."

The book was written by Alan Duff, a brilliant Maori author. "Once Were Warriors" and its sequel "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted" describe life as it is in a certain segment of New Zealand society: violent, alcohol-and-drug ridden, lawless, without hope. Recommended reading!

The movies were somewhat disappointing, particularly the sequel. Alan Duff should be a FReeper: his main messages include individual responsibility. He's well worth hunting down for a good weekend read.

Cheers from DownUnder
"DieHard the Hunter"


4 posted on 03/16/2006 12:42:22 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Did you make a Def Leppard song your username?


5 posted on 03/16/2006 12:45:38 AM PST by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: beaversmom

Nice to hear from you, Beaversmom!

> I'll check out the video--hopefully I can pull it up.

I guess I need to figure out how to make links work: but if you click the "source", it should come up lickety-split. (I'm still new at this -- HTML is a four-letter mystery to me -- any advice or guidance from anyone much appreciated!)


6 posted on 03/16/2006 12:46:50 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: sully777

> Did you make a Def Leppard song your username?

I did indeed! A Leppard fan since 1982 (seriously dating myself...!)


7 posted on 03/16/2006 12:48:37 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Nothing you did--sometimes I can't pull up videos on our computer for some reason.

So nice to see you on video. You're a real stand up guy to
have started this down under. I don't know why some people
from New Zealand would want to emulate the criminals and gangs in the U.S. Are they getting too many government freebies and they get bored?


8 posted on 03/16/2006 1:07:44 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: DieHard the Hunter

You do good work.


9 posted on 03/16/2006 1:08:07 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: arthurus

> You do good work.

Hey, thanks Mate!


10 posted on 03/16/2006 1:09:54 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I'm no genius with HTML either. Here's the latest periodic
HTML sandbox for some help on the basics.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1569737/posts
HTML Sandbox 02/01/2006


11 posted on 03/16/2006 1:10:51 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

> You're a real stand up guy to have started this down under.

Thanks for that -- but in reality, I'm only a 43 yr old father of two young kids who desperately wants them to grow up and live in a safe place. This may come at a personal cost and risk to me: so be it. That's what Dads are for.

> I don't know why some people from New Zealand would want to emulate the criminals and gangs in the U.S. Are they getting too many government freebies and they get bored?

I'll tell you straight: it beats the heck out of me, too. I grew up in East Broadway Vangcouver (as you may tell by my Canadian accent on the video) in a smallish house. It was an inner-city neighborhood and yuh a fair bit of crime. But it was not a ghetto by any stretch of the imagination. Not the way Americans would understand the term "Ghetto". Yet, East Broadway in Vangcouver was considered a "tuff" Italian neighborhood (and it was!)

Otara and Manurewa are considered to be "tuff" neighborhoods in Auckland. They are not even *close* to the squalor of East Broadway: most are "State" houses (lo rent) and most are very well kept. Many on a full 1/4 acre lot. Heavily subsidised by the Government. Yet this is the breeding grounds for our "Once Were Warriors" criminal class.

D*mned if I understand it. Poverty does not drive this problem: we do not have "poverty" in the same sense that you Yanks would understand the term, as a matter of deliberate Government policy developed over many, many decades.

Yet the "Once Were Warriors" thing exists! It thrives!

Too many Government freebies? I think so. Some analysts would also include a sense of Entitlement. Rights rather than Responsibilities. Too much time and free money on their hands, not enough work to do. A social environment that excuses and rewards mediocrity, and punishes excellence: driving all ever toward the Lowest Common Denominator.

Too much time spent leaning toward the Left: it is a self-destructive path, as we are finding out...


12 posted on 03/16/2006 1:24:03 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: beaversmom

> I'm no genius with HTML either. Here's the latest periodic
HTML sandbox for some help on the basics.

Thanks for that! Appreciated! I'll review this as homework for the weekend!

Cheers
"DieHard the Hunter"


13 posted on 03/16/2006 1:27:01 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

How does one go from Vancouver to New Zealand?


14 posted on 03/16/2006 1:44:26 AM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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To: Clemenza

> How does one go from Vancouver to New Zealand?

I took a plane, "The Spirit of Queenstown"...

(Married a Kiwi Girl 15 years ago. We lived together in Vangcouver for 3 years. Eventually, she wanted to go home, and I wanted to go with her, funnily enough... 'tis a pattern that is repeated over and over and over again here!)


15 posted on 03/16/2006 1:50:30 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Well I can definitely understand your concern for your children but not many people would step up to the plate the way you have. I'm concerned too--we've got the homegrown gangs plus ones that are sneaking up from Central/South America. Then you wonder what the zany Muslims will be
up to next. Thank goodness we don't have as many as
Europe but they are here too.

Anyway, I'm glad you're holding down the fort down under.
Stay safe and keep us updated. Tell your conservative
pals down there about FR.


16 posted on 03/16/2006 1:51:26 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: sully777
I can remember not to long ago, in N.Z. when I went to the local store and ordered 12 boxes of dynamite, no permit, no license, and not well known, it arrived 3 days later with caps and fuses and I put it in the pick-up and drove away.Today don't even think about it,we have crazies just like you in the States,and I think it has developed with the "do goodie's" that have taken control of the politics,New Zealand has more sheep than people and most of the sheep are in Wellington (N.Z.capital)
17 posted on 03/16/2006 2:03:51 AM PST by Ngamatapouri (if you put all the NZders around the coast they would be 4 miles apart)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
(Married a Kiwi Girl 15 years ago. We lived together in Vangcouver for 3 years. Eventually, she wanted to go home, and I wanted to go with her, funnily enough... 'tis a pattern that is repeated over and over and over again here!)

Hey, how many times has that girl been married? :)

BTW, "Once Were Warriors" got a GREAT reviews on imdb.com, so I've added it to my Blockbuster queue. Thanks for the recommendation!

Regarding the causes for these types of troubles...there is an old saying. "An idle mind is the Devil's workshop."

18 posted on 03/16/2006 3:10:10 AM PST by The Duke
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To: DieHard the Hunter
violent, alcohol-and-drug ridden, lawless, without hope

Hmmm, much like a segment of our society known as Democratic Underground.

19 posted on 03/16/2006 3:26:25 AM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Accordingly, we have imported some good old-fashioned American ideas to help us combat Crime: such as the Guardian Angels.

Concealed carry works very well, too. Not everyone wants to believe it, though.

20 posted on 03/16/2006 3:26:46 AM PST by shekkian
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To: DieHard the Hunter

hmmm, two drunk guys in a car...watching Brokeback Mountain....


21 posted on 03/16/2006 3:57:08 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Ngamatapouri

Kia Ora,

> I think it has developed with the "do goodie's" that have taken control of the politics

I think you are right, mate.

Wasn't too long ago, either, that people would leave their houses unlocked, and their car keys in the ignition. As recently as 1989 (my first trip to NZ) this was common. Now, don't even think about it, or some scroat will swipe your goods.

Grafitti, too, was uncommon back then. Now it is everywhere.

It took very little time for Crime to take off here and get beyond our Police capabilities to control.


22 posted on 03/16/2006 8:21:49 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: Ngamatapouri
When you say "all the crazies like you in the States" you are merely referring to specific crazies in the States, not particular crazies like me.



I'm just your typical American bird dog.
23 posted on 03/16/2006 8:43:52 AM PST by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: RaceBannon

> hmmm, two drunk guys in a car...watching Brokeback Mountain....

Yuh, not pleasant. But of all the things to see while on Patrol, that's reasonably tame.

Literally true: it is a different world out there after dark.

For example, we encounter 12-yr-old street kids who would quite happily trade sex or solvent to any scroat driving by with glue or solvent for them to sniff. How do you fix a situation like that??

They hide (stolen) alcohol in dumpsters (dumpsters!) for later consumption because nobody would think of looking there, and dumpsters are only tipped out once per week (a schedule they have memorized). Almost as good as a fridge, I guess -- if you ignore the potential for disease and industrial poisoning from toxic chemicals, &tc...

Fair to say, a few of them have gone Feral.

Q: Where are the parents?

A: Take your pick: in gaol, in the bar playing slot machines, in the bar getting drunk, in the tinnie hut buying P-Methamphetamine, in the tinnie hut manufacturing P-Methamphetamine, holding up the liquor store, burglarizing someone's home, home-invading with any weapon handy, stealing cars, mugging someone, selling him-or-herself on a street corner, b*ggering off to Australia leaving mum and kids behind, running with the gangs...

Crikey. A not-funny situation at best.


24 posted on 03/16/2006 11:08:28 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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Beyond police capabilities to control?
police? don't you mean those people that now work for the inland revenue (tax office)
25 posted on 03/17/2006 4:36:08 AM PST by Ngamatapouri (watch out for the monster its on the loose)
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To: sully777
no offenses to you my friend, but in my hurry to post I left out the have "like you HAVE in the states" but I can see that you are a real farm-boy, no boots.and webbed feet
26 posted on 03/17/2006 4:45:27 AM PST by Ngamatapouri (watch out for the monster its on the loose)
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To: Ngamatapouri

no offenses to you my friend



None taken. Just another excuse for a silly picture.


27 posted on 03/17/2006 11:35:29 AM PST by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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