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GOP Seeks Curbs On '527' Groups
The Washington Post ^ | March 16, 2006 | Jeffrey H. Birnbaum and Jonathan Weisman

Posted on 03/16/2006 7:23:51 AM PST by yoe

House Republican leaders proposed changes in lobbying laws yesterday that would include a crackdown on independent, big-money committees that heavily aided Democrats in the 2004 elections.

[snip] Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), recently elected House majority leader, has argued that it is far more important to increase disclosure requirements for lobbyists and lawmakers than to limit their interaction. But in a surprising development yesterday, House GOP leaders decided to try to intervene in a fast-growing sector of campaign finance that has mostly benefited Democratic candidates.

[snip] Instead, the groups would be governed by federal campaign finance laws that would restrict such giving to a total of $30,000 from individuals per year. By contrast, during the 2004 election cycle, Soros gave $27 million and Lewis gave nearly $24 million to Democratic-oriented 527 groups, according to PoliticalMoneyLine, a nonpartisan research company.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; 527groups; bribery; cfr; corruption; democrats; fundraising; georgesoros; gop; pac; pacs; tammanyhall

1 posted on 03/16/2006 7:23:54 AM PST by yoe
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later read


2 posted on 03/16/2006 7:26:24 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: yoe
This just shows the stupidity of our "campaign finance" laws.
An individual (not PACs or corporations) should be free to give any amount he wishes to his favorite candidate (with full public disclosure).
It's a free country.
Instead, the law limits how much an individual can give, and PAC and corporate giving proliferates unchecked.
3 posted on 03/16/2006 7:28:15 AM PST by XR7
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To: yoe
C.F.R., brought to you by "The Maverick" Republican and the "ImpeachThePresident" Democrat.
4 posted on 03/16/2006 7:28:18 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: yoe
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

What part of "no law" don't these people understand????

5 posted on 03/16/2006 7:31:22 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Mo1
Please read that article and this one: (Saipan's Willie Tan & Hillary)
6 posted on 03/16/2006 7:32:28 AM PST by yoe ("If the enemy is in range, so are you.")
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To: XR7

Actually, I believe an individual is free to pay for whatever campaign ads he wants, without any restrictions. But he must act as an individual, not as a committee or an agent for someone else.


7 posted on 03/16/2006 7:33:04 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user
Actually, I believe an individual is free to pay for whatever campaign ads he wants...

But you can only legally contribute $2000 per year to a candidate directly.

8 posted on 03/16/2006 7:39:23 AM PST by XR7
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McVain is an idiot bump....


9 posted on 03/16/2006 7:42:36 AM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties and 'Rats: 3 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: So Cal Rocket

"What part of "no law" don't these people understand????"

The Supreme Court has already ruled the "Money" doesn't equal "Speech".


10 posted on 03/16/2006 7:52:57 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Wristpin

Correction:

The Supreme Court has already ruled THAT "money" doesn't equal "speech".


11 posted on 03/16/2006 7:54:31 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: yoe

This CFR needs to make a revisit to the SCOTUS. I have a bit more confidence it will be trash canned than I did before.


12 posted on 03/16/2006 7:54:53 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: yoe
Thanks to John Mcpain(The Lone Republican among the Keating 5 to be caught with their hand in the Cookie Jar)the congress passed, the president signed and the SCOTUS upheld a clear rebuke of the constitution. With laws and lawmakers like this I grieve for your democracy.
13 posted on 03/16/2006 8:03:39 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: yoe

Expect the MSM to come out against this.


14 posted on 03/16/2006 8:30:46 AM PST by Oh Brother
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To: yoe
Republican parasites hate competition from 'Rat parasites.

Our entire government needs an enema, top to bottom.

15 posted on 03/16/2006 8:32:09 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government "job" attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: proxy_user
But he must act as an individual, not as a committee or an agent for someone else.

What's proper about that limitation? If I want to peaceably assemble with others of like mind, and we wish to spend our money in concert, who are you to stand in the way?

16 posted on 03/16/2006 8:45:47 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Tree of Liberty

I'm just stating what the current situation is. No endorsement is implied.


17 posted on 03/16/2006 8:47:18 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

I misunderstood you, then. Thanks for clarifying.


18 posted on 03/16/2006 8:49:38 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: yoe
Banning Gambling. Castrating 527s. Raising the debt limit. What the hell kind of priorities are these? Did y'all vote for this?

I don't care how much MoveOn.org raised last cycle...it didn't work. But OUR 527, the SwiftBoat Vets, in my opinion made the difference. Without that 527, the weak Bush campaign could well have lost that election. The Swifites killed Kerry. Leave the damn 527's alone.

19 posted on 03/16/2006 9:15:17 AM PST by montag813
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To: Oh Brother
Expect the MSM to come out against this.

As should we all.

20 posted on 03/16/2006 9:17:00 AM PST by montag813
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To: So Cal Rocket

Hey, hey, hay,,,,whaddya draggin out that antique constitution for? Whaddya think this is a constitutional republic or sumpin? Save it for the next time we start from scratch, it might come in handy.


21 posted on 03/16/2006 9:20:39 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to Tennessee. Put Las Vegas Sands Corp in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: yoe

Yeah, can't ahve any more Swifties. The Gang Of Prostitutes might keep winning. That would upset our Democrat friends and prove how mean they are.

The Republicans are a bunch of raving idiots!


22 posted on 03/16/2006 9:53:09 AM PST by TBP
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To: XR7

I disagree.. this means the people with the money get to make the rules.

This is a democracy in which every person has an equal say and an equal vote. However it's money in this society that gets you in front of voters.

You think money gives you free speech? I say the more money you have the more likely you are to abuse the rest of us.

There is a difference between having capitalism in which CEO's can make as much as they want and having an a society ruled by kings.


23 posted on 03/16/2006 2:38:10 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: So Cal Rocket

Since when did speech = money? Since you made it so?

Money is not free speech.. free speech is me talking or writing. Giving as much money you want to whoever you want is not Constitutional. That's why we have tax laws. Your money is not yours constitutionallly. People have a right to make laws and take it away from you if they want. That's why we have laws protecting property rights as a way of generating economic activity.

I don't want people buying my politicians anymore then they are already bought.


24 posted on 03/16/2006 2:46:02 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: montag813

Why do the politicians always attack the independent groups? They must not like free speech. The less control politicians have over what people say the better. As far as I can see, the 527's are independent groups with no links to the candidates. They are thus not part of a political campaign and should not be subject to any restrictions placed upon the candidate's campaign. They are private groups that don't give any money directly to candidates, but simply express their opinions and exercise their rights of conscience, using their own money to voice their beliefs.



As far as giving money directly to a political candidate, what is the difference between that and bribery/kickbacks? (I don't see much of a difference, and I find it hard to believe that big donors won't have any influence on an MC's votes on some issues). Does anyone know where the line is drawn?


25 posted on 03/19/2006 3:08:40 AM PST by old republic
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To: Almondjoy
Your money is not yours constitutionallly.
People have a right to make laws and take it away from you if they want.
That's why we have laws protecting property rights as a way of generating economic activity.

Oookay, right.

26 posted on 03/19/2006 3:31:58 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: razorback-bert

If you disagree with that I suggest you stop paying your federal taxes and see what happens.


27 posted on 03/19/2006 8:50:44 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

"Your money is not yours constitutionallly."

Wrong. Money, Real Estate, and other property that I have earned IS mine. Period. The actual paper is considered property of the government, but the wealth it represents is mine.

"People have a right to make laws and take it away from you if they want."

The citizens of this country (including myself) have a constitutional ability to pass laws thru our elected representatives. But this is not a "Right" at all, it is a very limited (constitutionally) privledge, which is restricted from violating the Constitutional Rights of the Individual.

"That's why we have laws protecting property rights as a way of generating economic activity."

"Generating economic activity" has nothing to do with the right to own property. The Right to own that which one has earned thru his own labor is JUSTICE. You obviously do not even understand the MEANING of the word "Rights" or you would realize that Rights do not come from government at all, but are intrinsic to simply being alive.. they are given by the Creator. That which government gives, government can take away, thus is merely privledge. Where government oversteps the authority WE GIVE THEM, they can never take away our Rights.. only violate them.


28 posted on 03/20/2006 12:54:18 PM PST by AnnoyedOne
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To: Almondjoy
This is a democracy in which every person has an equal say and an equal vote.

WRONG - We do not live in a democracy...

The majority doesn't rule, but we have equal representation. We may vote democratically, but we certainly aren't a democracy. Rhode Island wouldn't exist if we were.

29 posted on 03/20/2006 1:27:58 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: Almondjoy
Money is not free speech.. free speech is me talking or writing.

The right to Free Speech doesn't include writing... That's freedom of the press and in both accounts doesn't mean that you have a right to print anything you want or say anything you want. The Right to speech is granted so that you can voice your greviences to the government and peacefully assemble with out government interference - and boy would they love to do it...

Freedom of the press was added for the same reason, to print the ongoings of the government without any reprocussion from the government.

Also, I believe you are confused with paper money as to coin. The Government can only produce a standard currency through coin. Your paper money is a promessary note produced throught the Federal Reserve. The FED is not a Government agency, though they do control alot of the Government. It is because of the FED, we have the income tax Title Code 26 - What you earn is yours, and you can give what ever amount you want. The laws are written to those that are taking, not giving.

30 posted on 03/20/2006 1:34:17 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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