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Document: Afghani Taliban Consul Spoke of a Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden See Translation
Pentagon: Pre-War Iraq documents ^ | March/16/06 | jveritas

Posted on 03/16/2006 7:44:29 AM PST by jveritas

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To: ExTexasRedhead; eyespysomething

Here we are!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1594534/posts
Bush wants to release the Saddam files but his intelligence chief stalls

>>>"Bush replied that he wanted the documents released. He turned to Hadley and asked for an update. Hadley explained that John Negroponte, Bush's Director of National Intelligence, "owns the documents" and that DNI lawyers were deciding how they might be handled.<<<


51 posted on 03/16/2006 8:24:12 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: PISANO

Authentication is only required if the conversative cause would be aided. See 47 Dan Rather 903.


52 posted on 03/16/2006 8:25:05 AM PST by monocle
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To: gondramB

The Congress authorized the president to take out anyone he wanted provided they had some kind of link, even if only aiding or abetting, to Al Qaeda.

They specifically left it up to the President to make that call.

Joint Resolution of 18 Sep 01.


53 posted on 03/16/2006 8:26:10 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: jveritas

Wow, unlike the Saddam tapes, this story is actually starting to poke it's head out. Here is one of many examples of where it's popped up so far this morning (CBS):

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/16/terror/main1409920.shtml

Waiting for it on the Yahoo home page. Wait for it...wait for it...


54 posted on 03/16/2006 8:28:56 AM PST by Democracy In Iraq (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: xzins

"The Congress authorized the president to take out anyone he wanted provided they had some kind of link, even if only aiding or abetting, to Al Qaeda.

They specifically left it up to the President to make that call.

Joint Resolution of 18 Sep 01."

Agreed. Congress put that trust in the President.


55 posted on 03/16/2006 8:29:45 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: jveritas
In the conversation the Afghani Consul spoke of a relationship between Iraq and Osama Bin Laden prior to 9/11/2001, and that the United States was aware of such a relationship ...

And the administration of President Bush went on to keep such awareness from the American public and the United Nations, even during justification of waging war against Iraq.

56 posted on 03/16/2006 8:31:12 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Calpernia

Thanks.

I wonder why?

My fear is that too many are playing CYA politics in regards to the docs. Bush, OTOH, is not running again, so he can do what he wants (as he tends to do anyway).


57 posted on 03/16/2006 8:31:57 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething

We are probably going to find out why as these docs are released.

Hmmm, maybe it is time to buy stock in popcorn?


58 posted on 03/16/2006 8:33:29 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jveritas

Thank you for your translation work. This is a very important document.


59 posted on 03/16/2006 8:35:24 AM PST by Jemian (He is no fool to give up what he cannot keep, in order to gain what he cannot lose. -Jim Elliot)
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To: rightinthemiddle
Document: Afghani Taliban Consul Spoke of a Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden See Translation

All due respect...... I don't need no stinkin' translation......... but the old media will!

****

The old established/liberal/socialist media is America's most ruthless, relentless, and destructive enemy.

Huxley: “ The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth." — Old Media lives these words.

60 posted on 03/16/2006 8:36:12 AM PST by beyond the sea (The definition of a 'Targeted Tax Cut' is ........................ you ain't gettin' it)
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To: jveritas

You need to be sure you download the original document.

Things have been known to disappear shortly after they are brought to attention.


61 posted on 03/16/2006 8:38:39 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Cboldt

Not true. The Prez and Vice Pres both emphasized Saddam's links to terror groups. Just not to 9-11 specifically, like the left CONSTANTLY says they did.


62 posted on 03/16/2006 8:38:55 AM PST by pissant
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To: beyond the sea

Has the NY Times yet to admit that Stalin killed people?


63 posted on 03/16/2006 8:40:01 AM PST by pissant
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To: Peach

I agree. The information from these documents have to be blared from the house tops. I was confident all along that once these documents were translated Bush's case for war would be vindicated and we would discover a Saddam-Al Qaeda connection. The Bush administration HAS TO get this information out and vindicate itself. Sure the media will turn up their vile noses and the Democrats will nay-say it, but when you're down this far in the polls what do you have to lose?


64 posted on 03/16/2006 8:41:20 AM PST by MikeA (Remember: In the 2008 elections we won't beat a superstar with a dimbulb)
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To: PISANO
It said the documents have NOT been authenticated.

In that case, send it to CBS.

65 posted on 03/16/2006 8:42:04 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Madame Dufarge

"If the MSM can be convinced that the documents are somehow related to global warming, they'll reprint them without question."

Or if the documents somehow implicate Wal Mart, Dick Cheney or Big Oil, then the MSM will be all over them.


66 posted on 03/16/2006 8:42:47 AM PST by MikeA (Remember: In the 2008 elections we won't beat a superstar with a dimbulb)
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To: pissant
Not true. The Prez and Vice Pres both emphasized Saddam's links to terror groups.

I'd have to reread the record. You are saying that the President and VP recited that Iraq and Osama bin Laden were associated?

In the conversation the Afghani Consul spoke of a relationship between Iraq and Osama Bin Laden prior to 9/11/2001, and that the United States was aware of such a relationship ...

To me, that is somewhat different from "Saddam's links to terror groups," in that it has a certain "precision" about it. Not only a personal precision, but also a timing precision. Not only that, the full text of the translated letter includes a premonition that teh US might attack Iraq as a result of this precise "fact."

67 posted on 03/16/2006 8:43:56 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: MikeA

At least once a week I see a letter to the editor in our local, small newspaper that Bush lied about the Iraq/AQ connections.

If the Bush WH and Ken Mehlman don't make commercials about this and have meetings with Republican Congressmen to give them talking points, they don't understand the importance of a good PR campaign.

And freepers should lead the charge, imo.

After the impeachment of Clinton, House Impeachment managers gave a party for freepers which was shown on C-Span. They thanked us for our activism and we should get in there and make the push on this matter as well.

It's vital.


68 posted on 03/16/2006 8:43:57 AM PST by Peach
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To: jveritas; Mo1; Peach

Thank you SO much for doing this ... there must be a goldmine of information in there that the Rats and the MSM will just obfuscate and hush up. How does this info get out in the general public without the MSM? Does the Pentagon have a plan to make this a major ongoing news story that gets blasted out there?


69 posted on 03/16/2006 8:47:51 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author:)
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To: All
Thank you very much for the nice compliments. It was just a little effort for me to do the translation of this document. The great efforts and sacrifice are being done by our brave troops.

God bless our troops.

70 posted on 03/16/2006 8:48:09 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: eyespysomething

Thanks for the ping!


71 posted on 03/16/2006 8:49:32 AM PST by DocRock
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To: gondramB
But it's going to be really hard to convince me that the links were strong enough to justify taking over the entire country, spending hundreds of billions and killing so very many people.

Just because Saddam was providing training to include an airliner for practice does not mean he was actually supporting an attack. The airliner was for practice in evacuating terrorists in case the airliner didn't crash./Sarc

It was all about safety you know.

72 posted on 03/16/2006 8:49:41 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: jveritas

The president needs to go on national television and give a fireside chat, not a new conference, in which he details the evidence. He needs to sink the RATS now before it is too late. If they take the House, we are going to have impeachment hearings. Those b*st*rds do no care if it hurts the country.


73 posted on 03/16/2006 8:49:47 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Peach

I agree. Anyone at all educated on the matter knows there is extensive evidence that Saddam and Al Qaeda worked together. The idiots who claim otherwise just repeat the talking points they get from Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi without ever having looked into it for themselves. Heck, even the chairman of the 9-11 Commission cited Saddam's connections to Al Qaeda and those ties are outlined in the appendix of the 9-11 Commission report (the media misreports this saying no such ties were found, but it was the connection to 9-11 itself they found little evidence of, not ties to Al Qaeda itself.) Anyway, these spouters like those who write to your local paper are worse than zombies because at least zombies became such involuntarily. These people are willingly duped.

Anyway, I am going to write a letter to the editor soon about the Saddam-Al Qaeda connections. By the way, pick up Stephen Hayes' book "The Connection" to learn of the extent of Saddam's ties to Al Qaeda. It's a must-read.


74 posted on 03/16/2006 8:49:57 AM PST by MikeA (Remember: In the 2008 elections we won't beat a superstar with a dimbulb)
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To: eyespysomething

Add me to your ping list.

Thanks.


75 posted on 03/16/2006 8:50:13 AM PST by Sundog (cheers)
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To: STARWISE

The keyword for articles pertaining to Saddam's tapes:

"prewardocs"


76 posted on 03/16/2006 8:50:14 AM PST by Peach
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To: Cboldt

They said Saddam had communications with Al Quaeda, not Osama specifically, though I do recall someone in the administration pointing out that Iraqi agents visited Afghanistan.

The whole reason that the WMD was given prominence, as you know, is because we were after UN approval, and there was a long record of non-compliance. Turned out to be a futile effort, thanks to Chirac. But it mattered not to GWB, thank God.


77 posted on 03/16/2006 8:50:43 AM PST by pissant
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To: jveritas

Today our troops are on the largest air mission since the beginning of the Iraq war (3/03).

Many prayers for all of them for their safety. Godspeed.


78 posted on 03/16/2006 8:50:50 AM PST by Peach
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To: Dan(9698)

How come these people do not care about how many Saint Saddam killed? They have bleeding hearts for the "People" we killed but what Saint Saddam did, who cares. I have co-worker who thinks Saddam is a "great guy". Sick.


79 posted on 03/16/2006 8:52:07 AM PST by angcat
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To: doug from upland
The president needs to go on national television and give a fireside chat, not a new conference, in which he details the evidence. He needs to sink the RATS now before it is too late. If they take the House, we are going to have impeachment hearings. Those b*st*rds do no care if it hurts the country.

Ditto that.

Also call Ken Mehlman and encourage him to make a commercial about some of the more pertinent portions of these tapes:

Ken Mehlman, Chairman, RNC 310 First Street, SE Washington, DC 20003 (202) 863-8500 E-mail: Info@GOP.com

80 posted on 03/16/2006 8:52:19 AM PST by Peach
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To: MikeA

Click this link; details a list of Saddam/AQ connections going back through the 90's until now.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327993/posts?page=212#212


81 posted on 03/16/2006 8:53:18 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

My thoughts exactly. Soon as I read this I decided to email it to every congressman and woman.

When I send it to mine, they are getting a nice letter with it, along with a phone call.


82 posted on 03/16/2006 8:53:29 AM PST by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: girlangler

Thank you so much for taking the time to do that!

This is what freepers do best -- activism. And we desperately need to get back to that instead of just talking among ourselves.


83 posted on 03/16/2006 8:54:28 AM PST by Peach
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To: jveritas

BTTT


84 posted on 03/16/2006 8:54:32 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Memogate - Dan Rathers Little Big Horn.)
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To: Cboldt

Bush never once denied a relationship between Saddam and al Queda.


85 posted on 03/16/2006 8:55:14 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Mo1
Thanks for the ping.

Pretty interesting development.........of course, this will be front page of the NYT and WaPo, plus the lead news story on all the dinosaur networks.........

*rolling eyes*

86 posted on 03/16/2006 8:55:18 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: jveritas
White House Releases Declassified Info. from Prewar Iraq

WASHINGTON, D.C.-March 16, 2006 - Iraqi documents collected by U.S. intelligence during the Iraq war and released by the Bush administration show Saddam Hussein's regime was investigating "rumors" that 3,000 Iraqis and Saudis had traveled unofficially to Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks to fight U.S. troops.

The documents, the first of thousands expected to be declassified over the next several months, were released late Wednesday via a Pentagon Web site at the direction of National Intelligence Director John Negroponte. Many were in Arabic - with no English translation - including one the administration said showed that Iraqi intelligence officials suspected al-Qaida members were inside Iraq in 2002.

The Pentagon Web site described that document this way: "2002 Iraqi Intelligence Correspondence concerning the presence of al-Qaida Members in Iraq. Correspondence between IRS members on a suspicion, later confirmed, of the presence of an Al-Qaeda terrorist group. Moreover, it includes photos and names."

However, one of the documents translated by The Associated Press, a letter from an Iraqi intelligence official, dated Aug. 17, 2002, asked agents in the country to be on the lookout for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and another unnamed man whose picture was attached.

The letter said there were reports the two could be in Iraq and directed Iraqi security officials to be on the alert as a matter of "top priority."

Attached were three responses in which agents said there was no evidence al-Zarqawi or the other man were in Iraq.

The release of the documents, expected to continue for months, is designed to allow lawmakers and the public to investigate what documents from Saddam's regime said about such controversial issues as weapons of mass destruction and al-Qaida in the period before the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003.

The Web site cautioned that the U.S. government "has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available."

A handful of prewar Iraq government documents released Wednesday had been translated into English.

They included one Iraqi intelligence document indicating Saddam's feared Fedayeen paramilitary forces were investigating rumors in the fall of 2001 that as many as 3,000 Iraqis and Saudis were going to fight in Afghanistan after the U.S. invasion.

"In the report on the status of rumors for November of 2001 regarding Fedayeen Saddam in al-Anbar, there is an entry that indicates that there is a group of Iraqi and Saudi Arabians numbering around 3,000 who have gone in an unofficial capacity to Afghanistan and have joined the mujahidin (mujahedeen, or holy warriors) to fight with and aid them in defeating the American Zionist Imperialist attack," the translated document stated.

"After presenting the matter to the Supervisor of Fedayeen Saddam, he ordered that the matter should be looked into for verification of the truth of the rumor," the translation said.

House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., requested the release of millions pages of documents and audio recordings captured during current and previous U.S. military operations in Iraq. Most have sat untranslated for years.

87 posted on 03/16/2006 8:56:21 AM PST by TexKat
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To: gondramB
And thank god there were some in DC unwilling to depend entirely on the predictability of a madman and sons, their billions for WMD/capabilities, the M.O. to use them, their admitted financing of the Islamic cults, their bribery of the UN to lift sanctions, their defiance of the surrender agreement, and threats against troops fighting the WOT in the region.

As far as links, suspicions, proof, ect, they were oft stated for a decade by those who oppose the President now. Who knows what will be discovered, admitted to, and proved once the war against this President is over.

But the immoral policy of containment that consigned millions to tyranny for a generation is now over, and a civilized nation has a chance to sprout.

And a man who until 3 years ago affected every fear of a WMD war, and every calculation of the future of the ME, is gone from power.

As the NYT editorialized to Clinton: "eliminate any capacity to make WMD, and export the blessing of democracy".
88 posted on 03/16/2006 8:58:07 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: jveritas; Peach; My2Cents

We knew it. Now here it is.


89 posted on 03/16/2006 8:58:21 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (*Burp* I just got done chewing up a liberal. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583155/posts)
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To: jveritas

Bookmark....


90 posted on 03/16/2006 8:59:43 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: eyespysomething

Add me to that list, please. Does this include materials relating to WMD?


91 posted on 03/16/2006 9:00:04 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (*Burp* I just got done chewing up a liberal. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583155/posts)
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To: jveritas

Great work jveritas. I have a feeling that only FR and the blogosphere is going to be able to fully evaluate and show the signifigance of these documents.

A quick glance this morning from the Dinosaur Media showed them already highlighting that the docs have not been authenticated. They also highlighted one document making it sound like Saddam was worried about his citizens fighting in the War in Afghanistan. I'm surrrrreeeeee he was worried about his citizens getting involved in terrorism related activities... (sarcasm off).


92 posted on 03/16/2006 9:00:14 AM PST by deputac
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Can you see me jumping for glee this is starting to get out!!!!

If the Republicans don't take advantage of this to bolster their own poll numbers and support for the war, they really are idiots.

Make phone calls!


93 posted on 03/16/2006 9:00:18 AM PST by Peach
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To: pissant
They said Saddam had communications with Al Quaeda, not Osama specifically ...

So then, what is "not true" about my initial premise?

94 posted on 03/16/2006 9:01:57 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: roses of sharon

I don't want to argue too much about this because our main focus needs to be on a successful outcome in Iraq.

I don't believe the President would invade again at the same time in the same way if he had known then what we know now.

But we are there and the troops need our support and the future of the United States requires a positive outcome so we need to rally together.


95 posted on 03/16/2006 9:03:07 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: angcat

Sick is right, struggling to be fair to viciously unfair is a sign of moral weakness.

The left and their rubes are on a constant mission to rewrite our history and Saddam's.

They will fail.


96 posted on 03/16/2006 9:03:09 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: jveritas

SMOKING GUN ALERT! Way to go jveritas. This is one for the books. Outstanding!


97 posted on 03/16/2006 9:03:21 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: jveritas
Bump.
98 posted on 03/16/2006 9:03:58 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood (left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: doug from upland
The president needs to go on national television and give a fireside chat, not a new conference, in which he details the evidence.

Absolutely. He is his own best spokesman, by far. When he delivers his own message, people like what they hear, and they like him. He should be speaking once a week, it would send his poll numbers up, and his opponents up the wall.

99 posted on 03/16/2006 9:05:04 AM PST by Graymatter (Former walking encyclopedia. My kids turned me into an eightball.)
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To: jveritas

bttt


100 posted on 03/16/2006 9:06:04 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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