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Slobo’s Stooges ^ | March 15, 2006 | Jacob Laksin

Posted on 03/16/2006 10:33:46 AM PST by West Coast Conservative

"No one now disputes that stopping Slobodan Milosevic was the right thing to do,” wrote the Wall Street Journal this week, several days after the deposed Serbian strongman expired in his cell in The Hague. It’s an appealing sentiment, suggesting as it does that the man who presided over the deaths of 250,000 people in Yugoslavia in the 1990s died unsung and unmourned. In reality, however, even Slobodan Milosevic had his defenders. What is more, they are the same voices--largely on the far Left but also on the isolationist Right--who have now taken up the cause of Saddam Hussein.

Many of them congregated under the banner of the infamous International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic (ICDSM). Founded in March of 2001 as a personal cheering section for the indicted dictator, the group, whose 1,300 members included the Nobel laureate Harold Pinter, devoted its efforts to charging NATO leaders with “crimes against humanity.“ At the same time, the group cast Milosevic as the latest of the “freedom fighters and patriots” to fall victim to Western “imperial conquest.” In one of its more coherent statements of support, ICDSM asserted that Milosevic’s only crime was “to resist U.S. rule to terrorized slaves ruled by local fascists (conveniently labeled victims of oppression by the pro-NATO media) and all of it dominated by the U.S. and its allies, especially Germany and England.” Nowhere did the ICDSM bother to acknowledge the atrocities committed under Milosevic, from the shelling of Muslim and Croat civilians by Serbian paramilitaries, to the routine executions and rapes, to the wholesale destruction of villages and mass expulsion of non-Serbs that added “ethnic cleansing” to the lexicon of man’s inhumanity to man.

Emblematic of the apologists’ studied disregard for Milosevic’s murderous past was a 2004 letter protesting his trial, addressed to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan. Its author was none other than ICDSM co-chairman Ramsey Clark, the former U.S. Attorney General, all-seasons anti-American activist and, most recently, attorney for Saddam Hussein. Rather than address the specifics of the more than 60 charges against Milosevic, Clark assailed the very legitimacy of the trial. As Clark saw it, the “spectacle of this huge onslaught by an enormous prosecution support team with vast resources pitted against a single man, defending himself, cut off from all effective assistance, his supporters under attack everywhere and his health slipping away from the constant strain, portrays the essence of unfairness, of persecution.” Never mind that, in 2004, Milosevic had literally pleaded for the right to represent himself, over the objections of prosecutors troubled that his heart condition rendered him unfit for the task.

Unconcerned with the facts of the case, Clark advanced the claim that Milosevic had wanted only to “protect and preserve Yugoslavia” and sought to shift the blame onto “nationalist and ethnic groups…determined to dismember” the country--a spectacularly mendacious portrait of the man who had stoked nationalist and ethnic grievances to cement his hold on power and exterminate innocent civilians whose presence conflicted with his dream of “Greater Serbia.” For a more scrupulous account of Milosevic’s dirty work, one need only consult Samantha Powers’s Pulitzer Prize-winning book A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide. Of the campaign waged by Milosevic and his henchmen against non-Serb minorities, Powers reflects that “Theirs was a deliberate policy of destruction and degradation: destruction so this avowed enemy race would have no homes to which to return; degradation so the former inhabitants would not stand tall--and thus would not dare again stand--in Serb-held territory.”

No one, save perhaps Milosevic himself, expended greater efforts to cover up this destruction than Edward Herman. As a longtime co-author of Noam Chomsky, Herman, a former professor at the University of Pennsylvania, had a long history of furnishing excuses for Communist killers. In 1977, Chomsky and Herman had famously authored an article for the Nation exonerating the Khmer Rouge and scoffing at the accounts of its victims. In the Communist apparatchik Milosevic, Herman spotted a natural ally.

Accordingly, Herman spent much of the 1990s rehabilitating Milosevic’s reputation. It is a commentary on Herman’s commitment--to say nothing of his political views--that in 1995 he founded the Srebrenica Research Group to defend the indefensible: the 1995 massacre of 8,000 Bosnian men and boys by Serb forces in Srebrenica. Despite the preponderance of evidence attesting to the massacre--including forensic evidence and a list of deceased and missing numbering in the thousands--Herman’s group judged it, incredibly, as a fabrication of the imperialist West, intended to undermine socialism in Serbia. Later, in an essay for the 2000 book Degraded Capability: The Media and the Kosovo Crisis, Herman allowed that genocide had indeed taken place. In keeping with tradition, however, he reposed the blame not on Milosevic and his marauding military but on the NATO bombing campaign, writing that the "humanitarian bombing created more pain and ethnic cleansing than existed prior to the supposedly humane action."

Herman’s collaborator Noam Chomsky sounded a kindred theme. In his 1999 book The New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo, a contemptuous attack on the notion that allied intervention in the Balkans could be considered a humanitarian action, Chomsky blamed the NATO bombing for the “destruction of the civilian society” in the former Yugoslavia. That Milosevic might have had hand in that this destruction was a proposition that did not delay the MIT radical.

Like Herman, Chomsky was not above flirting with genocide denial. For instance, he praised the work of fringe journalist Diana Johnstone, whose 2002 book, Fools’ Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO, and Western Delusions, was among the most scandalous to be written about the conflict. Beyond proffering the standard revisionism of Milosevic’s reign, Johnstone, an advisor to Herman’s Srebrenica Research Group, denied the demonstrable fact that rape had been systematically committed by Serb forces and claimed that Serb-run concentration camps in Omarska and Trnopolje were really refugee and transit centers--the preferred propaganda line of the Serbian authorities--to which Muslims traveled for protection and could leave whenever they pleased. (Video and photographic evidence, as well as interviews with detainees, argued differently.) And these were not even the most farfetched of Johnstone’s claims.

As in her regular articles, published in the far-Left magazine Counterpunch, Johnstone also denied that a massacre had taken place at Srebrenica. On no credible evidence, Johnstone claimed that Srebrenica, far from an ordinary village, was a “Muslim military base.“ As for the thousands of Muslim men who were never again found alive, Johnstone assured her readers that this was an invention of “Muslim authorities” that had failed to reveal the whereabouts of these men, “preferring to let them be counted among the missing, that is, among the massacred.” Johnstone conceded that a “large, unspecified number of these men were ambushed and killed as they fled in scenes of terrible panic,” but discounted its significance. Srebrenica, she concluded, was a “‘massacre’ such as occurs in war when fleeing troops are ambushed by superior forces.” In other words, what happened at Srebrenica, was not, as the historical consensus had it, a mass execution of civilians, but a lopsided clash between two military forces.

Chomsky initially defended Fools' Crusade on the merits if its argument. In a signed letter to the leftist Swedish magazine Ordfront, co-authored with fellow radicals Tariq Ali, Arundhati Roy and others, Chomsky endorsed Johnstone's book as an “outstanding work, dissenting from the mainstream view but doing so by an appeal to fact and reason, in a great tradition.” Chomsky further pronounced it “quite serious and important.” In an interview with the Britain’s left-wing Guardian, Chomsky further identified himself with Johnstone’s malign theory, describing the Srebrenica massacre as “probably overstated.” Emma Brockes, the journalist who conducted the interview, also noted that, just as Johnstone had done, Chomsky dismissively placed the word “massacre” in quotations. Unlike Johnstone, however, Chomsky lacked the courage of his convictions. When the interview appeared on October 31, 2005, Chomsky remonstrated that he had never doubted that a massacre had taken place. Rather, he now insisted, he had only defended Johnstone’s right to free speech--a face-saving defense plainly incompatible with the facts. Even so, the Guardian, after first defending the story, caved to Chomsky’s complaints and published an undeserved apology.

Not all of Milosevic’s defenders were as reluctant as Chomsky to be seen as whitewashing his crimes. “The most notorious ‘atrocities’ for which Milosevic is accused never happened,” declared a 2001 petition denouncing the “witch-hunt against Slobodan Milosevic.” Its signatories included the Communist writer Michael Parenti, ICDSM Vice-Chairman Jared Israel, and William Blum, an inveterate conspiracy theorist who has earned the favorable notice of Osama Bin Laden. The radical press proved equally charitable. Accepting at face value Milosevic’s self-serving claims to victimhood--the Serbian dictator had long portrayed himself as the target of a “New Fascism” even as he was its leading exponent--the Marxist-Leninist Worker’s World editorialized that “Milosevic has earned the respect of working-class activists worldwide.” Writing in the 2002 edition of the New Statesman, Milosevic votary Neil Clark stated that his “worst crime was to carry on being socialist.” Not to be outdone, Ramsey Clark’s International Action Center, a reliable champion of anti-American regimes, has now released a statement waxing nostalgic over Milosevic’s death and sobbing that the “peoples of the Balkans and of the world will be indebted to him.”

In condemning the NATO campaign against their socialist hero, the far Left found an ally in the isolationist Right. Pat Buchanan, writing in 1999, euphemized Milosevic’s genocidal campaign against non-Serbs as an admirable attempt to “hold onto a province that is the birthplace of Serbian nationhood,” and chided the “New World Order,” led by the United States, for intervening in the internal affairs of another country. When notorious conspiracy theorist and editorial director Justin Raimondo wasn’t alleging a “longstanding US plan to destabilize the Balkans,” he was unabashedly rooting for Milosevic to beat his rap for war crimes; the title of a 2002 Raimondo column cheered, “Go Slobo, Go!” Nor did these pundits reconsider their sympathy for Milosevic. Commenting on his death this Sunday, paleoconservative columnist Paul Craig Roberts opted for posthumous revisionism. “Milosevic,” he claimed, “was caught up in the post-Soviet era break-up of Yugoslavia,” and “was damned for trying to protect Yugoslavia’s territorial integrity.” On both extremes of the political spectrum, Milosevic was the victim, never the victimizer.

Missing from the far Left’s encomia and the far Right’s excuse-making is any honest reckoning with Milosevic’s blood-soaked legacy. After a decade of ethnic conflict in the Balkans, much of it directly incited by Milosevic, the UN Criminal Tribunal counted 11,334 bodies in 529 gravesites, with as many as 6,000 missing. Many of them were the victims of the Vojska Jugoslavije, the Yugoslav Army, which terrorized and was responsible for the deaths of untold civilians. According to a detailed 593-page report by Human Rights Watch, the army was commanded by Milosevic until October of 2000. Nor will it do, as Milosevic’s defenders attempt, to equate the genocidal tactics of Milosevic’s armies with the undeniable atrocities committed by the Kosovo Liberation Army and the tragic errors of NATO’s bombing strikes. As the journalist Alec Russell, a former Balkan correspondent, has reported, more than 90 percent of the of the war crimes in the former Yugoslavia were perpetrated by Serbs.

If there is any sadness in Milosevic’s death, it is that the world was denied an official verdict to formalize the judgment long ago rendered by history. More regrettable is that until the dictator’s dying day there were those who, out of political sympathy, plain-old anti-Americanism, or both, were willing to forgive him everything.

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KEYWORDS: antiwar; balkans; chomsky; clark; communism; hoopielite; ihoppy; milosevic; nato; pancakeboy; pinter; socialism; warcriminal; yugoslavia; zhivioslobodan
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To: West Coast Conservative

Does anyone have a link to the proof of 250,000 dead in mass graves?

41 posted on 03/17/2006 9:20:18 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: montyspython
Well, since the majority of the population in Kosovo is Albanian, I don't see that many will be rebuilt. But this was the situation before Slobo's speech in 1987, too, wasn't it?

I will admit, like the current Serbian government does, that this whole period was a ten-year civil war in which Serbia tried to hang on to as much territory as possible. It should never have been a holy crusade to save Orthodox Serbia, but Slobo turned it into one, and thus made the situation worse. I recall the reason the Slovenes won is their part of Yugoslavia had the plants with the tanks and AT weapons in them and they were able to stop the Serbian attack. That doesn't mean that Serbia didn't attack.

I actually think that there is a chance for peace, which in this case is a minimum of dissatisfaction on all sides. But Kosovo is going to be a EU-quasi colony for decades. It can't be helped.
42 posted on 03/17/2006 9:56:57 AM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: West Coast Conservative
On both extremes of the political spectrum, Milosevic was the victim, never the victimizer.

I have zero sympathy for Milosevic.

He did as much damage to the Serbs as he did to the Croats and non-Orthodox Bosnians. He stoked ethnic and religious conflicts to keep himself in power as ruthless dictator.

Good riddance.

43 posted on 03/17/2006 10:03:29 AM PST by george wythe
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To: Lx

"Does anyone have a link to the proof of 250,000 dead in mass graves?"

yea right

44 posted on 03/17/2006 10:36:40 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Proctor

What a deal for Yugo, the US fighting for and defending the albanian mafia muslims and the muslim terrorists so muslims could take control of the freely go about eliminating the Christian Serbs and other non muslims.

beam me up scotty

45 posted on 03/17/2006 10:53:23 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: 2banana
It’s an appealing sentiment, suggesting as it does that the man who presided over the deaths of 250,000 people in Yugoslavia in the 1990s died unsung and unmourned

And about 150,000 of them were Serbs murdered by muslims and Croatians...

What a bald faced-lie. No one belives your dumb propoganda.

47 posted on 03/17/2006 11:32:32 AM PST by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican; 2banana
You are right, NYC - 2banana is wrong - in fact the death toll was LESS!!

From: THE BOSNIA CALCULATION: How many have died? Not nearly as many as some would have you think.

George Kenney

The NY Times Magazine, April 23, 1995

- George Kenney, a Washington writer, resigned from the State Department int 1992 to protest United States policy Yugoslavia. -

Neither the International Committee of the Red Cross nor Western governments have found evidence of systematic killing. Nobody, moreover, has found former detainees of concentration camps who witnessed systematic killing. Random killing took place in the camps, but not enough to account for tens of thousand of dead. And, apart from the few well-known massacres nobody sees signs of missing villages, either.

The Red Cross has confirmed well under 20,000 fatalities on all sides. Extrapolating from that and from the observations of experienced investigators in Bosnia, its analysts estimate total fatalities at 20,000 to 30,000, with a small chance that they may exceed 35,000.

Analysts at the C.I A. and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research put fatalities in the tens of thousands but hesitate to give a more precise range until the war is over. European military intelligence officers with extensive experience in Bosnia estimate fatalities in the mid tens of thousands. From these and other estimates by generally reliable relief workers, and given the arguments about the physical impossibility of high numbers, I arrived at the range of 25,000 to 60,000 fatalities.

In 1995, lacking the bodies, the charge of Genocide has worn thin. It seems to have almost become sensationalism for its own sake. Apart from any question of the number of fatalities, journalists have begun a hot little debate about how "objective" coverage of Bosnia has been, about whether it has tended to favor the Muslims. Several journalists with whom I spoke expressed the uneasy feeling that something was obviously wrong. In the words of the writer David Rieff, "Bosnia became our Spain," though not for political reasons, which is what he meant, but rather because too many journalists dreamed self-aggrandizing dreams of becoming Hemingway.

Who could do a reliable count? Probably not the State Department. Unfortunately, Secretary of Stae Warren Christopher folded under pressure from the interventionists and began-however furtively -- charging the Serbs with Genocide. Having thus taken sides, the State Department can hardly be expected to investigate reliably.

48 posted on 03/17/2006 11:42:51 AM PST by Proctor (
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To: Proctor
I consider being called a liar to be a personal attack.

If I am mistaken, correct me. But stating an opinion based on the facts as I know them is not a lie. I know you have strong feelings.

"Blaming Yugoslavia for attacking Slovenia is like blaming the North for the South's assault on Ft. Sumter. "

To this day, there are Southern partisans who consider Major Anderson's move to Fort Sumter from Fort Moultrie to be an act of aggression.

"Second lie you tell is that the Serbs were carrying out a crusade. They were not. "

However, doesn't that seem to be the revisionist position? I will accept that Serbia was fighting out of fear of foreign domination. So were the Croats and Bosnians. I wish it were different. The issues I had were that the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 pulled some stunts that were definitely contrary to the laws of war. Shelling a city is not one of them. Taking the U.N. observers hostage was.

"Your George Soros funded script has no traction here. "

That, sir, is slander. I am not connected with Soros in any manner. I request an apology.
49 posted on 03/17/2006 11:57:29 AM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955

Your lie is that you stated that the Serbs attacked Slovenia. That is a damnable lie.

Where I come from (the North) those who start wars are the ones that fire the first shots.

Will you now argue that America's trade embargo on Japan and moving Fleet HQ from San Fran to Pearl Harbor provoked Japan?

Serbs shelled cities that Muslims and Croats used to shelter their artillery? Not as bad as when Sherman burned down whole swaths of Georgia or when Dresden was made an open air oven.

Deal with the lie above - the death toll numbers and the fact that you said the Serbs attacked (and by attacked I mean shot first) Slovenia.

50 posted on 03/17/2006 12:09:11 PM PST by Proctor (
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To: Proctor
Of course the FRY attacked Slovenia. That doesn't mean they started the war. The North attacked Virginia in 1861 -- did they start the war? No. You misconstrued that statement and presumed it was a lie. But you must admit Serb (the FRY Army) did mount campaigns against Slovenia in 1995.

I have been abused by Serbian supporters on this forum before. I have been called a Moslem, a Soros supporter, and now the perpetrator of a damnable lie. None of these statements directed at me are true.
51 posted on 03/17/2006 12:25:56 PM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955
But you must admit Serb (the FRY Army) did mount campaigns against Slovenia in 1995.

That is also untrue - the Slovenians (egged on by Germany) fired on Yugoslav army barracks (first blood) - the Serbs fired back - and retreated.

I apologize for saying you read from Soro's script - I meant you were reading from Christiane Amanpour's script.

This article is about Milosevic's stooges. Who here can be labeled a Clinton stooge for accepting his adminsitrations false assertions?

52 posted on 03/17/2006 12:39:38 PM PST by Proctor (
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To: GAB-1955
Last, but not least I don't think Yugoslavia should have stayed as on as a nation.

I think the real criminals are those Western Europeans and their American think tank allies that wanted to have Yugoslavia break up along Tito-Communist drawn lines - lines drawn to weaken the Serbian people in the Communist regime because they were the most numerical.

Fear-panic among the Serbs that they will live under the not so tender mercies of Croats and Muslims caused them to react violently. I don't blame them at all.

53 posted on 03/17/2006 12:44:05 PM PST by Proctor (
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To: Proctor
Kosovo was ethnic cleansed of Jews, Serbs, Gypsies, and others and has turned into a crime haven black hole.

Can't argue with that.

Your right Front Page has the right to examine both sides, I was disappointed and leery of the author, not angry. It seems surprising that people can forget white slavery, ransom kidnapping, heroin trafficking and children being tossed overboard to dissuade Italian authorities pursuit, and hundreds of police officers being ambush murdered.

54 posted on 03/17/2006 1:50:12 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Proctor
That's still pretty strong and incorrect. I came up to my own conclusions based on what I've seen and read over the last 10 years. (No cable in my house, ever; the biggest influence is the London Daily Telegraph).

The fact that I appear more on the Clinton Administration's side on this doesn't mean I love that Administration. (In fact, I suffered personally in ways that you can't imagine at the hands of the Federal government under that Adminstration--but that's another story). Clinton was a dithering, poll-driven weakling who should have taken stronger measures in Somalia and Iraq, and definitely should have kicked the Europeans and U.N. to force a ceasefire earlier in the war and have a calming period. But he didn't, and the Balkans have to live with what they have.
55 posted on 03/17/2006 2:00:43 PM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955
Sir, (I assume if not my apologies)

You claimed the Serbs/Yugoslavs ATTACKED Slovenia - that is a lie the Slovenians attacked the Yugoslav army first and pretty much the Yugos carried out a fighting withdrawal in defense of their lives.

This was against a Yugoslav army that was still multi ethnic and made of conscripts.

That is the 'lie' I confronted you on.

56 posted on 03/17/2006 4:16:35 PM PST by Proctor (
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To: Proctor

And since when did a difference in perception become a lie?

57 posted on 03/17/2006 6:02:34 PM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955

:) Afraid not, too much time, money and politics invested.

58 posted on 03/18/2006 3:17:48 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: PeterFinn

You have Bingo........:)

59 posted on 03/18/2006 3:19:07 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: GAB-1955
"The Serbian media has a BIG credibility gap, another legacy from Slobo" this is true, however, their media is more on the mark than the international media that still claims 8,000 Muslims were murdered by the Serbs and that the Rajak Massacre actually occured, which is not true. Almost none of the media in the U.S. or UK is credible. Media Cleansing:Dirty Reporting
60 posted on 03/18/2006 9:09:53 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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