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Slobo’s Stooges
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | March 15, 2006 | Jacob Laksin

Posted on 03/16/2006 10:33:46 AM PST by West Coast Conservative

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1 posted on 03/16/2006 10:33:51 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
'As the journalist Alec Russell, a former Balkan correspondent, has reported, more than 90 percent of the of the war crimes in the former Yugoslavia were perpetrated by Serbs.'

What a ridiculous citation. I wouldn't accept most presstitutes statements that the sun would rise in the east.
2 posted on 03/16/2006 10:37:38 AM PST by robowombat
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To: West Coast Conservative
In Serbia's defense, he wasn't the only bad guy. Just the worse.

Of course, his argument of defense against Islamic terrorism falls apart when you realize Serbs fought Catholic Croats and Slovenes, and that the rioters of Paris and murderers of van Gogh were not Balkan Muslims, but Arabs from North Africa.

Serbia has little sympathy in the world, and Slobo has little sympathy in Belgrade's younger generation. Unfortunately, thanks to his legacy, we'll have a near-permanent presence in Kosovo and Bosnia.
3 posted on 03/16/2006 10:38:28 AM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Do we forget so soon the aerial pictures of "mass graves" that were later debunked? Do we forget how on this very site we all called the war a "Wag the Dog" to distract from the Monica Lewinsky debacle? Do we also forget so soon that NATO entered into a war to break up Yugoslavia and give parcel after parcel of it to the damned muslims? Does anyone remember how Ron Brown was conveniently killed over there? Are the UN peacekeepers over there forgotten who protect CHRISTIANS and CHRISTIAN CHURCHES from muslim mobs? Sorry, I'm just not convinced that Milosevic was doing anything more or less than defending his country from the muslims and then from us.


4 posted on 03/16/2006 10:39:08 AM PST by PeterFinn (Anita Bryant was right!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Muslims sure have an awesome propaganda machine, where it deals with old Yugoslavia...

I am impressed, but very afraid that this "template" will be used by muslims elsewhere...

5 posted on 03/16/2006 10:42:41 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: PeterFinn

Well, they did find those mass graves that Clinton went on and on about.

But we found them in Iraq and they were full of Arabs.

"Clinton lied! People died!"


6 posted on 03/16/2006 10:43:42 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: PeterFinn
"Sorry, I'm just not convinced that Milosevic was doing anything more or less than defending his country from the muslims and then from us.

I refuse to discuss anything else until the following questions are answered:

How many operating Christians Churches existed in the muslim areas before we bombed the Serbs?
How many operating Christian churches exist in those same areas today?

Anything else is BS...

7 posted on 03/16/2006 10:45:50 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: GAB-1955

Ah....yes, the "legacy" of Slobo makes us stay in Kosovo even as our "freedom loving" Albanian allies burn hundreds of Serb churches....with nary a peep of protest from the state department.


8 posted on 03/16/2006 10:45:55 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: PeterFinn

my sentiments as well. I'm having difficulty buying that milo was the great satan he has been demonized to be. Seems to me he was fighting muslim terrrorists the way he felt they should be fought...with extreme prejudice.

Now the muslims have won thanks to nato and look what they are doing...murdering the very Serbs Milo was trying to defend. Go figure.


9 posted on 03/16/2006 10:46:10 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: West Coast Conservative
It’s an appealing sentiment, suggesting as it does that the man who presided over the deaths of 250,000 people in Yugoslavia in the 1990s died unsung and unmourned

And about 150,000 of them were Serbs murdered by muslims and Croatians...

10 posted on 03/16/2006 10:46:20 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
After a decade of ethnic conflict in the Balkans, much of it directly incited by Milosevic, the UN Criminal Tribunal counted 11,334 bodies in 529 gravesites, with as many as 6,000 missing.

That's it?! That's the reason we put Muslims and some cronies in charge of most of the region and ethnically cleansed a million or so Serbs from it??

11 posted on 03/16/2006 10:46:53 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: takenoprisoner

Every president needs a "Hitler" clone to get public support for his or her pet quagmire. Noreiga was GHWB's Hitler, Slobo was Clinton's Hitler, and Saddam is Bush's Hitler. Hitler is dead but his "useful" clones will live forever.


12 posted on 03/16/2006 10:49:11 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
And if we withdrew, would the situation be worse? Yes. I didn't say the Albanians are saints. What's worse, burnt churches or dead bodies? You can rebuild a church.

I know there's one video out there about the church burnings, but I haven't heard anything from neutral sources about it. (The Serbian media has a BIG credibility gap, another legacy from Slobo).
13 posted on 03/16/2006 10:51:59 AM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955
The best solution is to partition Kosovo and Bosnia along ethnic and religious lines. The Albanian areas should merge with Serbia, the Serb areas with Serbia, the Coat areas go to Kosovo, and the Serb-Muslim bits become independent, etc.

Your "better" solution (are you claming its better?) would have has bogged down for eternity protecting a comic-opera country of Bosnia, that has no legitimacy with anyone and a Kosovo quasi-state that is busily clearing all Serb minority areas. Partition is the best option but the State department, which loves the status quo, stands in the way. In this sense, the policy you support is indeed making matters worse.

15 posted on 03/16/2006 11:00:05 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: GAB-1955

I meant to say the Croat areas should go to Croatia.


16 posted on 03/16/2006 11:00:55 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

So then, you think that Clinton was right to bomb Kosovo? I remember the days when folks here opposed the Rapist and Chief's war.


17 posted on 03/16/2006 11:02:43 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: West Coast Conservative; All
I am severely disappointed with Front Page and am going to have to research this guy Laskin to see why he has an axe to grind. This looks to be classic disinformation. No one with a double digit IQ could be honestly this blind.
18 posted on 03/16/2006 11:05:03 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Assassinations, cheaper by the dozen.)
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To: PeterFinn

Slobo may or may not have been guilty of war crimes, but he deserved to be tried by his fellow Serbs in Serbia, just as Saddam is being tried by Iraquis in Iraq.


19 posted on 03/16/2006 11:09:56 AM PST by libstripper
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To: West Coast Conservative
Feh.

Even in death Slobo still manages to redirect attention away from the reality of the Balkans - while Russia was generating controversy about Slobo's autopsy, it, along with China, gave assurances they wouldn't stand in the way of Kosovo's independence.

That potential bombshell having passed relatively unnoticed, they discarded the autopsy issue as no longer necessary.

20 posted on 03/16/2006 11:15:43 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: GAB-1955
Just the worst

Not so sure.

the rioters of Paris and murderers of van Gogh were not Balkan Muslims, but Arabs from North Africa.

I'm glad that makes it ok.

I'm relieved to know that there is no Islamic conspiracy to institute (by force) a worldwide Caliphate.

Poor Slobo was misinformed and was unaware of the peaceful means that allowed the Muslims to establish themselves in (what would be) Yugoslavia in the first place.

Serbia has little sympathy in the world.

That you got right.

21 posted on 03/16/2006 11:20:26 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Assassinations, cheaper by the dozen.)
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To: GAB-1955
Actually the independent US presence in Bosnia ended about a year ago. We are still on the hook for our NATO contribution but that is pegged at one infantry company which rotates out of a regular army battalion in Germany. Kossovo, however continues to absorb the efforts of a small brigade. The responsibility for filling this requirement was shifted to the National Guard several years ago after a transition phase in which Guard and regular units alternated. Overall it has been a very expensive and strategically totally irrelevant distraction absorbing hundreds of thousands of man hours and several billion dollars over more than decade. A real Clinton legacy to the Army mostly but all the services that had to waste time, risk death and urinate away dollars in the Balkans.
22 posted on 03/16/2006 11:27:08 AM PST by robowombat
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To: GAB-1955

"Serbs fought Catholic Croats and Slovenes"

Pat Buchanan also flip flopped on Milosevic. During the early 90's, Buchanan supported the Croats and Slovenes and attacked Milosevic for fighting to preserve a communist federation.


23 posted on 03/16/2006 11:30:30 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit
When Ramsey Clark, Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky are all on your side you know you're wrong.

Normally yes, however, think about this situation economically centering around eastern Europe, and you can see what interests socialists have in Slobo.

24 posted on 03/16/2006 11:30:39 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Assassinations, cheaper by the dozen.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I made it through about 4 parargraphs...are there any actual facts in this article or is it an endless name-calling rant?


25 posted on 03/16/2006 11:44:53 AM PST by Homer1
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To: libstripper

Agreed. Well said.


26 posted on 03/16/2006 12:27:56 PM PST by PeterFinn (Anita Bryant was right!)
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To: West Coast Conservative; tgambill
Frontpagemagazine has posted the Milosovic Memo, David Horowitz, are you on holidays? Jacob Laskin the scribe seems unaware the court at The Hague desperately needed a guilty verdict to ultimately do to Israel that which was done to Serbia.

This article reminds me so much of how an astrophysicist explains the origin of the solar system...wait, I have a graphic: <[>Image hosting by Photobucket

SUBTITLE: WHY SLOBO HAD TO DIE

29 posted on 03/16/2006 3:00:34 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: Publius6961

Over 150 churches and monasteries in Albania have been destroyed or seriously damaged over the last 6 years. Now authorities project to turn the hull of one sanctuary into a nightclub. The Church of Christ the Savior in Pristina has been turned into public toilet...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1593004/posts

30 posted on 03/16/2006 3:14:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: Pusomobile

flagged....


31 posted on 03/16/2006 3:18:59 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: PeterFinn
Sorry, I'm just not convinced that Milosevic was doing anything more or less than defending his country from the muslims and then from us.

"Right" motives is not everything. Hitler too was "protecting" his country from communism. Socialist's motives are excellent: looooove and prosperity for everybody.

It's the methods that fully show the person. Rhetoric is cheap.

32 posted on 03/16/2006 3:42:20 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: GAB-1955

It seems by 2007, the U.S. may pull out of Kosovo. they are already moving 90% of our troops from Monteith to Bondsteel. Bondsteel is scheduled to close around 2007.

Also, you are right. If he was worse, Ceku is close in there as well as the Serbian leaders....


33 posted on 03/16/2006 3:46:08 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

It can't be to soon.


34 posted on 03/16/2006 5:47:27 PM PST by robowombat
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To: tgambill

Can we just shoot them all and start over?


35 posted on 03/17/2006 7:31:32 AM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: West Coast Conservative; robowombat; GAB-1955; PeterFinn; Publius6961; FormerLib; Captain Kirk; ...
Was the Republican majority congress that voted down Clinton's authorization request for the Kosovo war also Milosevic's stooges?

I was about to get angry at Frontpage but I do remember them posting lots of "pro Serb" articles as well. In fact I am glad they publish both sides of the issue at Frontpage on this because you get to see the character of both camps and the anti-Serb camp comes off as a collection of Statists and internationalists (like internationalist and arch statist Hoplite cheering we reaching a deal with Russia and China regarding splitting up another country's terrirtory like if we were some mafia families cutting up turf).

GAB-1955 also is also trying to downplay the Serb position by mentioning the fact that the Serbs fought the Slovenes and Croats - but in his statement he is being deceptive. The Slovenes attacked Federal Yugoslav forces first and the Yugoslav army withdrew. Did some Yugoslav soldiers fire back? Sure - but to blame Serbia for the fighting in Slovenia is like blaming the North for the Confederate attack on Ft. Sumter.

The Serbs were not on a Crusade. When Yugoslavia fell apart the Serbs tried to not be ruled by Croats and Muslims - the last time the Serbs were ruled by Croats and Muslims was WW2 and they were genocided in ways that made the SS sick. Do you blame the Serbs for not wanting to live under "Catholic" Croatian rule? Especially when they ressurected Nazi era symbols? What the Serb were preplexed about was that they could not understand why the "West" took the side of Croatia who was using Nazi era symbols and the side of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims who were flirting with extremist Islamists.

I stand with the Republican congress which refused to be Clinton's stooges over Kosovo.

These Republicans who voted NO to Clinton's war were proven correct because under NATO Kosovo was ethnic cleansed of Jews, Serbs, Gypsies, and others and has turned into a crime haven black hole.

Just ask tgambill - he was Kosovo security chief- ex Marine and all around good guy (and a hero for making public Kosovo's security files). I still grieve for the murder of the British Tommy who was shot in th ehead for guarding a church - which I think was burned down eventually.

36 posted on 03/17/2006 8:03:06 AM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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Was the Republican majority congress that voted down Clinton's authorization request for the Kosovo war also Milosevic's stooges?

I was about to get angry at Frontpage but I do remember them posting lots of "pro Serb" articles as well. In fact I am glad they publish both sides of the issue at Frontpage on this because you get to see the character of both camps and the anti-Serb camp comes off as a collection of Statists and internationalists (like internationalist and arch statist Hoplite cheering we reaching a deal with Russia and China regarding splitting up another country's terrirtory like if we were some mafia families cutting up turf).

GAB-1955 also is also trying to downplay the Serb position by mentioning the fact that the Serbs fought the Slovenes and Croats - but in his statement he is being deceptive. The Slovenes attacked Federal Yugoslav forces first and the Yugoslav army withdrew. Did some Yugoslav soldiers fire back? Sure - but to blame Serbia for the fighting in Slovenia is like blaming the North for the Confederate attack on Ft. Sumter.

The Serbs were not on a Crusade. When Yugoslavia fell apart the Serbs tried to not be ruled by Croats and Muslims - the last time the Serbs were ruled by Croats and Muslims was WW2 and they were genocided in ways that made the SS sick. Do you blame the Serbs for not wanting to live under "Catholic" Croatian rule? Especially when they ressurected Nazi era symbols? What the Serb were preplexed about was that they could not understand why the "West" took the side of Croatia who was using Nazi era symbols and the side of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims who were flirting with extremist Islamists.

I stand with the Republican congress which refused to be Clinton's stooges over Kosovo.

These Republicans who voted NO to Clinton's war were proven correct because under NATO Kosovo was ethnic cleansed of Jews, Serbs, Gypsies, and others and has turned into a crime haven black hole.

Just ask tgambill - he was Kosovo security chief- ex Marine and all around good guy (and a hero for making public Kosovo's security files). I still grieve for the murder of the British Tommy who was shot in th ehead for guarding a church - which I think was burned down eventually.

37 posted on 03/17/2006 8:08:18 AM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

Browser burped - my apologies to all.


38 posted on 03/17/2006 8:09:52 AM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"the deaths of 250,000 people in Yugoslavia in the 1990s died unsung and unmourned"

This has been disproved already, why do they keep repeating this nonsense?

39 posted on 03/17/2006 9:16:34 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: GAB-1955
"You can rebuild a church."

And who will rebuild them, Albanians? They're erasing Serbian history, how do you rebuild that?

40 posted on 03/17/2006 9:18:48 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Does anyone have a link to the proof of 250,000 dead in mass graves?


41 posted on 03/17/2006 9:20:18 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: montyspython
Well, since the majority of the population in Kosovo is Albanian, I don't see that many will be rebuilt. But this was the situation before Slobo's speech in 1987, too, wasn't it?

I will admit, like the current Serbian government does, that this whole period was a ten-year civil war in which Serbia tried to hang on to as much territory as possible. It should never have been a holy crusade to save Orthodox Serbia, but Slobo turned it into one, and thus made the situation worse. I recall the reason the Slovenes won is their part of Yugoslavia had the plants with the tanks and AT weapons in them and they were able to stop the Serbian attack. That doesn't mean that Serbia didn't attack.

I actually think that there is a chance for peace, which in this case is a minimum of dissatisfaction on all sides. But Kosovo is going to be a EU-quasi colony for decades. It can't be helped.
42 posted on 03/17/2006 9:56:57 AM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: West Coast Conservative
On both extremes of the political spectrum, Milosevic was the victim, never the victimizer.

I have zero sympathy for Milosevic.

He did as much damage to the Serbs as he did to the Croats and non-Orthodox Bosnians. He stoked ethnic and religious conflicts to keep himself in power as ruthless dictator.

Good riddance.

43 posted on 03/17/2006 10:03:29 AM PST by george wythe
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"Does anyone have a link to the proof of 250,000 dead in mass graves?"

yea right


44 posted on 03/17/2006 10:36:40 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Proctor

What a deal for Yugo, the US fighting for and defending the albanian mafia muslims and the muslim terrorists so muslims could take control of the territory...to freely go about eliminating the Christian Serbs and other non muslims.

beam me up scotty


45 posted on 03/17/2006 10:53:23 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: 2banana
It’s an appealing sentiment, suggesting as it does that the man who presided over the deaths of 250,000 people in Yugoslavia in the 1990s died unsung and unmourned

And about 150,000 of them were Serbs murdered by muslims and Croatians...

What a bald faced-lie. No one belives your dumb propoganda.

47 posted on 03/17/2006 11:32:32 AM PST by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican; 2banana
You are right, NYC - 2banana is wrong - in fact the death toll was LESS!!

From: THE BOSNIA CALCULATION: How many have died? Not nearly as many as some would have you think.

George Kenney

The NY Times Magazine, April 23, 1995

- George Kenney, a Washington writer, resigned from the State Department int 1992 to protest United States policy Yugoslavia. -

Neither the International Committee of the Red Cross nor Western governments have found evidence of systematic killing. Nobody, moreover, has found former detainees of concentration camps who witnessed systematic killing. Random killing took place in the camps, but not enough to account for tens of thousand of dead. And, apart from the few well-known massacres nobody sees signs of missing villages, either.

The Red Cross has confirmed well under 20,000 fatalities on all sides. Extrapolating from that and from the observations of experienced investigators in Bosnia, its analysts estimate total fatalities at 20,000 to 30,000, with a small chance that they may exceed 35,000.

Analysts at the C.I A. and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research put fatalities in the tens of thousands but hesitate to give a more precise range until the war is over. European military intelligence officers with extensive experience in Bosnia estimate fatalities in the mid tens of thousands. From these and other estimates by generally reliable relief workers, and given the arguments about the physical impossibility of high numbers, I arrived at the range of 25,000 to 60,000 fatalities.

In 1995, lacking the bodies, the charge of Genocide has worn thin. It seems to have almost become sensationalism for its own sake. Apart from any question of the number of fatalities, journalists have begun a hot little debate about how "objective" coverage of Bosnia has been, about whether it has tended to favor the Muslims. Several journalists with whom I spoke expressed the uneasy feeling that something was obviously wrong. In the words of the writer David Rieff, "Bosnia became our Spain," though not for political reasons, which is what he meant, but rather because too many journalists dreamed self-aggrandizing dreams of becoming Hemingway.

Who could do a reliable count? Probably not the State Department. Unfortunately, Secretary of Stae Warren Christopher folded under pressure from the interventionists and began-however furtively -- charging the Serbs with Genocide. Having thus taken sides, the State Department can hardly be expected to investigate reliably.

48 posted on 03/17/2006 11:42:51 AM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor
I consider being called a liar to be a personal attack.

If I am mistaken, correct me. But stating an opinion based on the facts as I know them is not a lie. I know you have strong feelings.

"Blaming Yugoslavia for attacking Slovenia is like blaming the North for the South's assault on Ft. Sumter. "

To this day, there are Southern partisans who consider Major Anderson's move to Fort Sumter from Fort Moultrie to be an act of aggression.

"Second lie you tell is that the Serbs were carrying out a crusade. They were not. "

However, doesn't that seem to be the revisionist position? I will accept that Serbia was fighting out of fear of foreign domination. So were the Croats and Bosnians. I wish it were different. The issues I had were that the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 pulled some stunts that were definitely contrary to the laws of war. Shelling a city is not one of them. Taking the U.N. observers hostage was.

"Your George Soros funded script has no traction here. "

That, sir, is slander. I am not connected with Soros in any manner. I request an apology.
49 posted on 03/17/2006 11:57:29 AM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955
Sir/Madam,

Your lie is that you stated that the Serbs attacked Slovenia. That is a damnable lie.

Where I come from (the North) those who start wars are the ones that fire the first shots.

Will you now argue that America's trade embargo on Japan and moving Fleet HQ from San Fran to Pearl Harbor provoked Japan?

Serbs shelled cities that Muslims and Croats used to shelter their artillery? Not as bad as when Sherman burned down whole swaths of Georgia or when Dresden was made an open air oven.

Deal with the lie above - the death toll numbers and the fact that you said the Serbs attacked (and by attacked I mean shot first) Slovenia.

50 posted on 03/17/2006 12:09:11 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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