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Reps Tancredo, Gutierrez engage in nasty exchange
rockymountainnews ^ | March 16, 2006 | M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain

Posted on 03/16/2006 1:12:11 PM PST by dennisw

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Tom Tancredo and an Illinois congressman traded charges of racism during a heated confrontation following a televised appearance Wednesday on immigration reform, both their congressional offices confirmed today. Tancredo and Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., are frequent sparring partners on the talk show circuit as Congress works to pass some version of immigration reform. Tancredo is a leading advocate of tougher enforcement against illegal immigrants and people who hire them. Gutierrez, the son of Mexican immigrants, calls Tancredo's approach "ugly policy" motivated by racism.

On Wednesday, they appeared together on CNBC, and when the cameras stopped rolling the debate continued with a spat first reported by the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call.

Gutierrez's office claims that Tancredo aggressively continued the discussion off camera and tried to slow Gutierrez as he was trying to reach the elevator.

Tancredo spokesman Will Adams, who was present, said it was Gutierrez who was the aggressor, hurling comments and, before it was over, saying he thought about hitting Tancredo.

The words exchanged are in little dispute, based on this account in Roll Call:

At one point, Gutierrez reportedly asked Tancredo if he had ever eaten in a restaurant.

"How could you eat from the plates touched by those nasty illegal immigrants?" Gutierrez said.

He then asked Tancredo: "Have you ever eaten an orange? A grape," an apparent reference to illegal farm workers. He then repeated the phrase several times as Tancredo tried to answer. "An orange, a grape, an orange, a grape, an orange a grape."

Gutierrez, who has a cast on a foot, reportedly tried to walk to the elevator, but Tancredo tried to stop him by putting his hand on his shoulder. Gutierrez reportedly demanded: "Get your hand off me!"

Adams said Tancredo had done little more than tap him on the shoulder.

Gutierrez said to Tancredo: "You racist! You bigot!"

Tancredo told Gutierrez: "You look in the mirror if you want to see a racist."

Gutierrez and staff members finally got on the elevator, while Tancredo and his team took the stairs.

When they met again on the first floor, Gutierrez told his staff, "Better hurry up -- the KKK is coming," according to Roll Call. He accused Tancredo of following him, although Adams said they simply needed to use the same exit because Tancredo's office is across the street.

Just outside, Gutierrez said to aides within Tancredo's earshot: "I thought about hitting him, but then I thought, 'What if I (expletive) kicked his ass,'" the newspaper reported.

"To say this is unbecoming of a Congressman doesn't go far enough," Adams said. "This is unbecoming of an adult." Asked if Tancredo wanted an apology, Adams said, "It would be nice if he apologized. We're not expecting that from somebody who threatens to beat people up."

Asked if Gutierrez wanted an apology, spokesman Scott Frotman said, "He's not going to ask Mr. Tancredo for an apology, but Mr. Tancredo may think about apologizing to all the immigrants that he scapegoats and ridicules."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; gutierrez; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; luisgutierrez; racecard; tancredo; tomtancredo
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1 posted on 03/16/2006 1:12:17 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw

ILLEGALS are not IMMIGRANTS!

They know it. The Dims know it. We know it.


2 posted on 03/16/2006 1:16:44 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (The Liberals/Media Hate Us Just as Much as They Hate Bush.)
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To: dennisw

Round them up....send them back.


3 posted on 03/16/2006 1:18:47 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: dennisw

What class these guys have. We should all be proud.


4 posted on 03/16/2006 1:19:03 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: rightinthemiddle

Cool! Wish they had it on video!


5 posted on 03/16/2006 1:19:10 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: dennisw
Playing the race card, typical of liberal Democrats.

BTW Guiterrez: Tancredo is the son of Italian immigrants.

6 posted on 03/16/2006 1:20:32 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: rightinthemiddle

I watched the exchange on CNBC today. Tancredo was not the nasty one. Gutierrez is a slimy little punk and acted like it. He would not answer the question and kept giving snide looks at Tancredo.


7 posted on 03/16/2006 1:20:38 PM PST by tom paine 2
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To: dennisw
What was that book a few years ago? - Congress of Whores?

Someone needs to write another - Congress of Boors.

8 posted on 03/16/2006 1:21:56 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: dennisw

Looks like Gutierrez will never be accused of being a mental giant.


9 posted on 03/16/2006 1:23:25 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: dennisw
Gutierrez said to Tancredo: "You racist! You bigot!"

Name calling is a specialty of the Rat party. It's much easier to throw labels then actually engage in debate.

10 posted on 03/16/2006 1:24:53 PM PST by Millee (Don't make me get out my voodoo doll out!)
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To: mlc9852
What class these guys have. We should all be proud.

Yup.

Guiterrez is a typical pandering pol.

And Tom Tancredo is to immigration reform what Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson are to Christianity -- the sort of spokesman the other side loves.

Sure would be nice if folks would send grown-ups to Washington....

11 posted on 03/16/2006 1:25:36 PM PST by r9etb
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To: tom paine 2

Yep..it really was The D who was crazy not Tom...


12 posted on 03/16/2006 1:25:49 PM PST by skaterboy
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To: dennisw

Gutierrez is a little punk.


13 posted on 03/16/2006 1:26:08 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Tancredo is the son of Italian immigrants.

He's also a loudmouth self-promoter who does more harm than good in the area of immigration policy.

14 posted on 03/16/2006 1:27:01 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
"Sure would be nice if folks would send grown-ups to Washington...."

Now that's a great idea! Seriously, some of them are becoming a national embarrassment.
15 posted on 03/16/2006 1:27:29 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: tom paine 2
I watched the exchange on CNBC today. Tancredo was not the nasty one. Gutierrez is a slimy little punk and acted like it. He would not answer the question and kept giving snide looks at Tancredo.

Sounds to me like Tancredo acted with commendable restraint considering the circumstances. I like him--he's one of the few congresscritters who strongly supports enforcing the laws against illegal immigration.

Gutierrez, on the other hand, sounds like a typical democrat: "Let's pretend the issue is race, instead of what it really is, since my real position is politically, legally, and morally indefensible."

16 posted on 03/16/2006 1:27:44 PM PST by American Quilter
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To: dennisw
SOP right out of the manual. If you can't win a debate on the merits, accuse them of racism, KKK, etc. Keep screaming, yelling and repeating it also.
17 posted on 03/16/2006 1:28:51 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Millee
Gutierrez said to Tancredo: "You racist! You bigot!"

Liberals will discuss issues for about thirty seconds, and then start calling you names.

18 posted on 03/16/2006 1:30:55 PM PST by sima_yi
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To: sima_yi
Liberals will discuss issues for about thirty seconds, and then start calling you names.

Or start randomly reciting the names of fruits and vegetables. "A kumquat! A pomegranate! A rutabega!"

19 posted on 03/16/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by Caveman Lawyer (Cluckin' defiance)
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To: dennisw
Tancredo spokesman Will Adams, who was present, said it was Gutierrez who was the aggressor, hurling comments and, before it was over, saying he thought about hitting Tancredo.

My money is on that version.

20 posted on 03/16/2006 1:33:37 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Millee
Gutierrez said to Tancredo: "You racist! You bigot!"

Did he add "You creepy liar! Creepy liar! YOU CREEPY F'ING LIAR YAAAAAARGHH!!!

I would have said "your the one who called Mexicans filthy, not me."

21 posted on 03/16/2006 1:33:48 PM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: dennisw
Gutierrez, the son of Mexican immigrants

Attention fact checkers: Gutierrez is Puerto Rican.

He is also a major demagogue. At the rally here last week, he addressed the crowd and said that the illegals are "all Americans." Which led me to wonder if all it takes to be an American is to show up in the country one day and stay.

22 posted on 03/16/2006 1:34:04 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (A tiny figure, tattered and torn, moving across the barren landscape.....)
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To: dennisw
Gutierrez, who has a cast on a foot, reportedly tried to walk to the elevator, but Tancredo tried to stop him by putting his hand on his shoulder. Gutierrez reportedly demanded: "Get your hand off me!"

Adams said Tancredo had done little more than tap him on the shoulder.

It seems that Tancredo did put his hands on Gutierrez.

When involved in a heated dispute, it's not a wise choice to put your hands on your opponent. It can be misinterpreted as an aggressive move.

Both Tancredo and Gutierrez were out of line.

23 posted on 03/16/2006 1:34:04 PM PST by george wythe
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To: dennisw
Here's an up-date from Numbers USA. PLEASE CALL YOUR SENATORS OFFICE AND LET THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS.

The Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, March 16 started showing signs that it will produce an immigration bill crafted by Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) that rewards the 12-20 million illegal aliens already in the U.S. with permanent citizenship. The panel is currently working behind closed doors on amnesty proceedings and it is unclear whether the votes of the committee will be made public. Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee must be held accountable for their actions if a massive amnesty, as expected, is produced and sent to the Senate for a full vote. Please send this fax to your Senators and let them know that the American people will not tolerate being left out in the cold while their elected leaders create rewards for millions of illegal aliens who've broken our laws.

PS: Gutierrez IS AS RACIST AS THEY COME. HE'S THE ONE WHO HELPED PUT TOGETHER THE CROWD OF ILLEGALS DEMANDING "THEIR RIGHTS" IN CHICAGO LAST WEEK.

24 posted on 03/16/2006 1:34:15 PM PST by Chi-Town Lady
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To: dennisw

This is the insanity produced by a loathsomely Leftist press: being against criminal behavior is "racist."


25 posted on 03/16/2006 1:36:30 PM PST by pabianice
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To: dennisw

I like Tancredo!


26 posted on 03/16/2006 1:37:00 PM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con, American Male (NRA))
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To: Millee

Sorry, not filthy, nasty.


27 posted on 03/16/2006 1:37:01 PM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Luis Guitierrez is Puerto Rican and an alumnus of the University of Puerto Rico, where he became good friends with a leftist professor of mine.


28 posted on 03/16/2006 1:40:12 PM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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To: george wythe
The reaction by Gutierrez is one of a cowardly little bitch. Tancredo did nothing wrong. Tancredo would have been within his right to flatten the little cowardly bitch on the spot.
29 posted on 03/16/2006 1:40:21 PM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: sima_yi

The sad part about it is Gutierrez and Bush are on the same side. This is just the beginning it will get even nastier. Wait until you see the anti-illegal March in Crawford in May.


30 posted on 03/16/2006 1:40:39 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: dennisw

Better hurry up -- the KKK is coming,"

So people actually voted to put this jackass in office? Shameful...


31 posted on 03/16/2006 1:42:15 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle ("Better put some ice on that")
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To: dennisw

Hat's off to Tancredo for standing up to open-border hacks like Gutierez, John McCain, Ted Kennedy and George Bush.


32 posted on 03/16/2006 1:44:04 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vicente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: dennisw

How many Puerto Ricans are picking grapes in CA and oranges in CA and FL?


33 posted on 03/16/2006 1:47:36 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: r9etb
And Tom Tancredo is to immigration reform what Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson are to Christianity -- the sort of spokesman the other side loves

Tancredo is so much more than illegal immigration. He's a genuine conservative. Has a near 100% ACU rating.

34 posted on 03/16/2006 1:49:33 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: r9etb
He's also a loudmouth self-promoter who does more harm than good in the area of immigration policy.

He wouldn't be a "loudmouth" if Bush would do his fricking job.

35 posted on 03/16/2006 1:50:38 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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Tancredo told Gutierrez: "You look in the mirror if you want to see a racist." ........................... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1597682/posts <.....................................................> I'm sorry, but when you keep seeing Hispanic surnames after corrupt officials and arrested persons, doesn't it tend to convince you that Hispanic and Legal are oxymorons?
36 posted on 03/16/2006 1:52:42 PM PST by radar101
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To: dennisw

Evidently Gutierrez won't be happy until Mexico has moved in, lock, stock, and barrel. I wonder if he'd be more concerned about our borders and vast numbers of illegals if they were from Africa or Ireland. He'd sing a different tune.


37 posted on 03/16/2006 1:54:41 PM PST by hershey
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To: dennisw
Gutierrez said to Tancredo: "You racist! You bigot!"

Gutierrez and staff members finally got on the elevator, while Tancredo and his team took the stairs.

When they met again on the first floor, Gutierrez told his staff, "Better hurry up -- the KKK is coming," according to Roll Call.

Just outside, Gutierrez said to aides within Tancredo's earshot: "I thought about hitting him, but then I thought, 'What if I (expletive) kicked his ass,'" the newspaper reported

LOUDER G!!! COME ON! LOUDER! The American people aren't as dumbed down as you think. The masses are hearing you and they are awakening. The more press this gets, the more people understand the DEM viewpoint and how wrong ILLEGAL immigration is. He didn't go quite all the way though, since he didn't say Tancredo was a "nazi", as the liberals usually do.

38 posted on 03/16/2006 1:55:53 PM PST by subterfuge ("We're going to take things from you for the greater good..."---Hillary Rod-Ham Clinton)
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To: dennisw

What a load of crap. Wanting the laws of this country enforced and obeyed is not racist.


39 posted on 03/16/2006 1:56:11 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: dennisw

From his comments, I'd guess Gutierrez has an IQ below 60. And he certainly has not the best interest of this country in mind. I hope he will be investigated.


40 posted on 03/16/2006 1:56:36 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Clemenza

I've heard that he also has ambitions to be mayor of Chicago. I can't believe that I'm saying this, but Daley looks good compared to him. But Mrs. Southside has her heart set on our moving to Indiana so, if Gutierez's ambitions are ever realized, we'll at least have safe harbor there.


41 posted on 03/16/2006 1:56:47 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (A tiny figure, tattered and torn, moving across the barren landscape.....)
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To: dennisw

It's an insane world where you have to take care lest you offend a criminal, but where the criminal is free to offend you at his leisure.


42 posted on 03/16/2006 1:57:07 PM PST by IronJack
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To: sima_yi

Thirty second? Your watch is fast by a factor of 10.


43 posted on 03/16/2006 1:58:36 PM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: rightinthemiddle
ILLEGALS are not IMMIGRANTS! They know it. The Dims know it. We know it.

Tom Tancredo's parents or grandparents were immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants. But they all came here legally. Mine came through Ellis Island and would have been turned back to Europe if they carried diseases

The people Luis Gutierrez is championing came here illegally. We are a nation of laws but Gutierrez thinks Hispanic people are above the law. And they've been encouraged to think this way by the multiculturalists and the business interests who want cheap labor

44 posted on 03/16/2006 1:59:35 PM PST by dennisw (-Muslim's biggest enemy is the founder of Islam, Muhammad. Muslims are victims of this evil conman-)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Playing the race card, typical of liberal Democrats.

True but playing the race card is typical of the entire Open Borders Lobby, not just the Democrat wing.

45 posted on 03/16/2006 2:00:21 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
He wouldn't be a "loudmouth" if Bush would do his fricking job.

Yes he would.

46 posted on 03/16/2006 2:00:26 PM PST by r9etb
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To: subterfuge

Under a little pressure the real racist Luis Gutierrez comes out. What a loon!


47 posted on 03/16/2006 2:01:04 PM PST by dennisw (-Muslim's biggest enemy is the founder of Islam, Muhammad. Muslims are victims of this evil conman-)
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To: r9etb
He's also a loudmouth self-promoter who does more harm than good in the area of immigration policy.

Give us an example, so we can see what you judge to merit that description.

48 posted on 03/16/2006 2:02:30 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: jazusamo

A better picture would be Gutierrez and John McCain getting together, now that would be a sight for a sore eye.


49 posted on 03/16/2006 2:08:42 PM PST by buck61 (luv6060)
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To: chesley

You know, you may be right. I have noticed the days are going by much quicker than they used to.


50 posted on 03/16/2006 2:10:27 PM PST by sima_yi
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