Skip to comments.Senators near compromise on immigration reform (HERE IT COMES)
Posted on 03/16/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by VU4G10
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Under pressure to produce broad immigration reform legislation by the end of the month, a U.S. Senate panel on Thursday neared agreement on a proposal that would give some of the 12 million illegal aliens living in the country an opportunity to earn citizenship.
Although no vote will be held until after a weeklong congressional recess, the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday appeared ready to back a proposal by panel member Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, who has worked on the issue with his Republican colleague John McCain of Arizona.
The panel, which is working on comprehensive immigration and border security legislation, will also consider a related proposal that would allow foreigners to enter the United States as legal guest workers and then have a chance to earn permanent status.
Republicans are divided over immigration policy, and the Judiciary Committee plan is likely to spark a firestorm from conservatives who oppose regularizing the status of illegal immigrants, saying they would be rewarded after breaking U.S. immigration law.
But backers cite both economic and security reasons. They say that providing a path to permanent residency and eventual citizenship will avoid creating a permanent underclass of workers and help bring illegals aliens out of the shadows.
Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican who opposes giving permanent status to illegals, said after the meeting that the panel would probably vote for the Kennedy plan.
"The votes are there," Grassley said.
Kennedy told the committee the proposal was not an amnesty. People seeking legal status would have to pay a $2,000 fine, apply for a six-year temporary status, have a job, pay taxes, learn English and show an understanding of U.S. government.
They would not get permanent status faster than the three million foreigners awaiting legal entry, he said.
"There is no moving to the front of the line, there is no free ticket," Kennedy said. "This is not amnesty."
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, quipped that the requirements "probably exclude half of my family."
The panel also reached tentative agreement on a guest worker program sought by President George W. Bush has said he wants. A compromise struck between Kennedy and Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, would give future temporary workers an opportunity to seek permanent status after four years.
U.S. business groups favor creating a temporary worker program to help fill jobs that Americans either cannot or will not do. Both business and labor groups also favor giving current undocumented workers a way to legalize their status.
Committee members said details would be worked out during the recess.
The panel is working against a deadline set by Majority Leader Bill Frist. The Tennessee Republican, and possible contender in the 2008 presidential race, wants the Senate to take up a bill addressing only enforcement and border security. He threatened to do that on March 27 if the Judiciary Committee failed to reach agreement on comprehensive legislation.
Whether Congress will finalize immigration legislation before the November congressional elections is unclear. Both Democrats and Republicans are likely to use the issue to gain advantage.
The House of Representatives has voted for tough border security and enforcement legislation with no guest worker program. The two sides would have to work out their differences before a bill could be sent to Bush for his signature.
It is the fact that the Reagan Amnesty turned out so miserably (magnifying the problem exponentially) that causes us to be so opposed to trying it again.
If you mean, after going back to their home countries first, then we might agree. They should not be in any way legalized without going back first.
The big stick is being lubed up for you know what.
And for all the bots who now love McLame, I can't wait for this one to play out. Meirs and the Port deal will look like a party after this is done.
Let the fat cats go door for the GOP. Let them get the voters to the polls, let them poll watch. I am done.
No, no. I thought you said there must be more to the story with Reagan's amnesty. You know -- as though everything he did was gold and everything Bush does is just plain evil.
Gee, I thought a freeper upthread posted a blurb about how Reagan's amnesty program was a GOOD thing.
One minor correction. We WERE SOLD DOWN THE RIVER YEARS AGO!!
You can't deal with the latter before the former. Otherwise... well, you know the drill.
"If you mean, after going back to their home countries first, then we might agree."
Here going shopping is not about someone speaking English. It is about being safe. In the last month the small grocery store I shop at was robbed while open, at gunpoint, by......a hispanic male. The place where I buy gas for my car...same thing. My sister-in-laws house sits behind some low-income apartments full of bangers. They have caught the little ba*stards numerous times coming over their fence to break into their house. These are 16-17 yr old males.
The people committing these crimes are probably not illegal but they are the product of the massive illegal migration to Calif. Afterall, this has been going on for many years here.
Just saying, we live with it daily here and the SOB politicans just don't give a rat's butt.
who is going to step up to the plate and pay 2000 dollars? Yeah if I was an illegal my understanding is that the governemnt will let me get away with everything thanks teddy you jack@$$
The rino's are finally coming home to roost. These people don't have a clue about how the public thinks about this issue.
Why is there even talk of a compromise - do we not have the house and senate??
Ditto on both!
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, quipped that the requirements "probably exclude half of my family."
I'd like to bust Ole Lindsey one, right across the chops!
As much as I hate amnesty or any other name for it, can anyone give the best solution for ridding 15 million illegals already here?
Over the years the figure reported most often is 2-3 million illegals. I took 2.5 million. But that is not the point. Bad policy back then, is still bad policy today. Besides, the debate is not what Reagan did, its what Bush wants to do. Bush`s guest worker proposal from early 2004, is nothing then a backdoor amnesty fo illegals. The McCain-Kennedy bill is a road to citizenship. The Cornyn-Kyl bill isn't much better.
Cong Tancredo's Rewarding Employers that Abide by the Law and Guaranteeing Uniform Enforcement to Stop Terrorism Act of 2005 or the REAL GUEST Act of 2005 starts to get the job done the right way.
Lets do immigration reform the right way this time.
We could start by sending those that are in our prisons home and then anyone that is arrested that is an illegal alien should also be sent home. That is at least a start.
First step is to cut off the inflow. That's why we need to concentrate on enforcement first. Pushing for amnesty now is putting the cart before the horse (and I think the pushers know it).
If my Senators vote for this, they will never get another vote from me, ever.
Exactly. Whatever it takes.
People on both sides confuse Corporate Socialists with Capitalists. Big difference.
1. Demand that the military be used to close the borders!
2. Demand the enforcement of ALL immigration laws!
3. Require immediate deportation of ALL illegal entries and visa overstays in our custody.
4. Require ALL employers to use the Social Security
5. Verification System for ALL hires.
6. Deny ALL illegal alien births 'automatic citizenship.'
7. Deny ALL illegal aliens a FREE K-12 education.
8. Deny ALL illegal aliens ANY and ALL 'public benefits.'
9. Deny ALL illegal aliens driver's licenses and in-state college tuition.
10. Deny ALL illegal aliens FREE emergency medical care.
11. Verify ALL voter's citizenship, before permission to vote.
Pretty simple really. We don't even need a wall. If all those things were done they would self deport and quit coming.
A road to citizenship? Gasp. The horrors of that. /sarc
I think your Oklahoma Senators are safe without your vote.
If the Republicans vote this thing in, they will lose the majority. That's my opinion, anyway.
yes we are leaving Calif. next year....Hawaii. They are liberal there but I guess the illegals can't swim that far. ;)
I am assuming from another post that you are from Oklahoma? I think we can count on Dr. Coburn to be against this, we may have to work on Inhofe. And I think most Oklahoma's feel the same way we do, so yes, our votes, could affect them.
To whom? To the democrats who will vote almost unanimously for it?
"Pushing for amnesty now is putting the cart before the horse (and I think the pushers know it)."
waiting for the $2000 federal Loan programs to assist the illegals in paying the registration fee..
waiting for the grandfather clause that allows all immediate family members to be add ons without having to apply themselves.
If this does not make the American public raise up ..we are lost, time to move on.
Exactly! They all know that none of these illegals will actually pack up and leave in six years. This arrangement is wrapped in such dishonesty it's incredible.
BS...If you have to explain that it isn't amnesty then it must have such convoluted language that it appears to be amnesty. Or it is amnesty. How hard is it to say, "we will close the borders to illegals, we will enforce it, you will be stopped" to illegals?
We can agree that everything on you list is the solution, which it is, but getting all "politicians" to agree on all 11 of your points, Republican, Rats, Conservative, Liberals, Communist, Socialist, etc..., will not happen in our lifetime so there has to be a point one, seal the borders and then step 2, step 3, etc...
Quickest way for fools to let the democRATS to get the whitehouse back in 2008.
How do you stop a military invasion? Secure the borders. In this case, we build walls, fences, moats, whatever is necessary. Use the military to backup the Border Patrol until we can increase our border security forces. While the barriers are being built, start enforcing the provision of the IRCA of 1986, which prosecutes and punishes employers who violate the law by hiring illegals. At the same time, Congress needs to change the law that gives free medical services and welfare handouts to illegal aliens. Most Americans support everything I listed. Now we just have to get the CongressCritters to grow some cojones and do whats right.
Maybe this isn't a bad thing. Sensenbrenner has already publicly stated McKennedy is dead in the House so let the Senate pass it. Even though Kyl/Cornyn is almost as bad that probably stood a better chance of getting through so most likely when it's all over we'll get what the vast majority of us want, an enforcement only bill.
The problem with amnesty is that it just begets more illegal immigration. In 1986 we gave amnesty to 3 million illegals and now 20 years later we have 12 million (and there have been 6 mini amnesties in between).
It sends the message to the world that we are not serious about our immigration laws. If they can just get here, sooner or later we will make them citizens. It makes all those poor people who are trying to follow our laws by standing in line for years look like smucks.
El dinero no puedo comprar la felicidad......If you don't understand it is time you enroll in your local community college to learn the new language of the USA>>>>
Don't you get the impression when you read threads like this one that we're watching The Washington Post types who come here all the time to cause trouble?
Exactly, stop the FREE health care and welfare then they lose half the incentives.
They certainly can't be talking about an advantage with the American people...We are against them...Obviously it's an advantage with the bribers who pay for the presidential and congressional elections...
This administration has been putting the screws to their people for some time now...I don't trust 'em...On anything...I no longer trust them on the war on terror...On Iraq...
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