Skip to comments.Senators near compromise on immigration reform (HERE IT COMES)
Posted on 03/16/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by VU4G10
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Under pressure to produce broad immigration reform legislation by the end of the month, a U.S. Senate panel on Thursday neared agreement on a proposal that would give some of the 12 million illegal aliens living in the country an opportunity to earn citizenship.
Although no vote will be held until after a weeklong congressional recess, the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday appeared ready to back a proposal by panel member Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, who has worked on the issue with his Republican colleague John McCain of Arizona.
The panel, which is working on comprehensive immigration and border security legislation, will also consider a related proposal that would allow foreigners to enter the United States as legal guest workers and then have a chance to earn permanent status.
Republicans are divided over immigration policy, and the Judiciary Committee plan is likely to spark a firestorm from conservatives who oppose regularizing the status of illegal immigrants, saying they would be rewarded after breaking U.S. immigration law.
But backers cite both economic and security reasons. They say that providing a path to permanent residency and eventual citizenship will avoid creating a permanent underclass of workers and help bring illegals aliens out of the shadows.
Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican who opposes giving permanent status to illegals, said after the meeting that the panel would probably vote for the Kennedy plan.
"The votes are there," Grassley said.
Kennedy told the committee the proposal was not an amnesty. People seeking legal status would have to pay a $2,000 fine, apply for a six-year temporary status, have a job, pay taxes, learn English and show an understanding of U.S. government.
They would not get permanent status faster than the three million foreigners awaiting legal entry, he said.
"There is no moving to the front of the line, there is no free ticket," Kennedy said. "This is not amnesty."
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, quipped that the requirements "probably exclude half of my family."
The panel also reached tentative agreement on a guest worker program sought by President George W. Bush has said he wants. A compromise struck between Kennedy and Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, would give future temporary workers an opportunity to seek permanent status after four years.
U.S. business groups favor creating a temporary worker program to help fill jobs that Americans either cannot or will not do. Both business and labor groups also favor giving current undocumented workers a way to legalize their status.
Committee members said details would be worked out during the recess.
The panel is working against a deadline set by Majority Leader Bill Frist. The Tennessee Republican, and possible contender in the 2008 presidential race, wants the Senate to take up a bill addressing only enforcement and border security. He threatened to do that on March 27 if the Judiciary Committee failed to reach agreement on comprehensive legislation.
Whether Congress will finalize immigration legislation before the November congressional elections is unclear. Both Democrats and Republicans are likely to use the issue to gain advantage.
The House of Representatives has voted for tough border security and enforcement legislation with no guest worker program. The two sides would have to work out their differences before a bill could be sent to Bush for his signature.
Safety nets are socialism, not capitalism.
Food stamps, workers' comp, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, free emergency medical care, welfare payments, rent subsidies, etc, are socialist scams.
The faster the scams go bankrupt, the better.
I understand that most people like their socialist piece of the pie, so I'm in the minority.
Time for me to go pick up a bottle Jack. This is really getting scary.
The ONLY good thing I can see is this:
If illegals are pressured to become citizens, they don't want that! They DO NOT want to become Americans.
If they are told, Become a citizen NOW or leave this country tonight, good. Also, if a stipulation is that when you become a citizen you cannot go back to country of origin for 10 years, can wire only a maximum of $500 back to country of origin, AND we get our fence ALL ALONG the border. Then, fine! Go, with that.
We cannot concede any kind of amnesty without getting our BORDER FENCE! Then, we are worse than screwed, we are shameful. And, by the way, is part of the plan to take our current laws --- which have been broken by 20+ million illegals -- off the books?
And, I say absolutely NO to any kind of temporary guest worker program, creating quasi-legal non citizenship: it's a crock. Okay, I'm done being crazy and dreaming.
"Depends on how hard the President leans on 'em. President Bush can be mighty persuasive..."
Yeah, when his poll numbers weren't in the mid 30's/lower 40's. Hopefully congress will thumb there nose at him like they did on the port deal.
Yeah, just like on the ports. Face it Ray, the thrill is gone.
Yeah, and I need a million dollars and bottomless mug of beer. Unfortunately, "viable" and "third-party" don't work together. I think we will have to settle for a a non-viable third-party of the protest vote, give the election to your enemies variety. Sometimes you can only win by losing.
I also read how Rome disintegrated as well. What is your point?
Just another day at the office for just another TRAITOR!!!
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Cruising down the river on a Sunday afternoon
With one you love, the sun above
Waiting for the moon.
An old accordion playing a sentimental tune
Cruising down the river on a Sunday afternoon.
The birds above all sing of love
A gentle, sweet refrain.
The winds around all make a sound
Like softly falling rain.
The two of us together
We'll plan our honeymoon
Cruising down the river on a Sunday afternoon.
Every last RINO who votes for Kennedy-McCain needs to be defeated if they are up for re-election in November. They are no help to us anyway.
That's not such a bad deal.
I like my pie, but I'm ready for whatever to happen. Let the bottom fall out of the economy, let REAL bread lines form. I'd kind of like to see it before I die. Let the socialists realize the fruit of their workers paradise. I will laugh and laugh.
I'd have to see the details but elements of this as presented here sound reasonable to me and better than the status quo of doing nothing. I'd give them a stiffer fine. Rounding them up and deporting them is more preferable but that's not ever going to happen. Why couldn't our guys propose a stiffer version of this? Why are they gathering around an Edward Kennedy proposal? Bizarre.
AMNESTY is not such a bad deal is it?
Gee, didn't President Reagan grant amnesty to illegals? Why, yes. Yes he did.
These people want to work for cash to send home, not become Americans. This plan will really screw us.
I didn't say I think we'll get one, I just said we need one. Frankly, I don't hold out much hope for a non-globalist, non-amnesty party to gain any steam.
What about those who don't apply? Will they get deported?
With the $2000 fine, at least we'll get the upper Mexican Class.
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"My prediction: We will be sold down the river."
Which may not be too bad, because you can walk across the backs of those that are crossing it illegally.
Listen are my ten points that is needed minimally. I don't know what is in the law, but I'm sure they stole it from me:
All illegals must register under some federal identity program.
All must be fingerprinted and entered in a worker database.
All must show a record of "paid" health insurance policy.
All must show proof of paid annual auto insurance.
All must show worker's comp insurance.
All must show appropriate, valid drivers license.
All must register all family members in the states.
All must pass some basic english speaking skills.
All must pass a bilateral crime database exchange shared between the U.S. and mexico to ferret out the criminals.
All must be a yearly fee to re-validate their status.
You don't get it. All this will do is cause ANOTHER tsunami or illegals trying to cash in on the amnesty pie. That is why we are so opposed to it. If they stopped the flow first we could discuss this, but they have no intention of stopping or even slowing the flow.
I suggest everyone contact their Congressmen, NOW!
Tell them the road to citizenship is for those immigrants who follow the legal process. No amnesty for illegals. No guest worker program until the borders are secured. And enforce the existing provisions of the IRCA of 1986 that prosecutes and punishes employers who violate the law in hiring illegals.
Because it's actually a John McCain proposal, but he doesn't want his name on it this time. Kennedy either feels bulletproof or is ready to retire.
Which did nothing but encourage more illegals to flood into the country, prompting yet another glorious amnesty.
But, but, but, Reagan did it also....:)
I'm not commenting whether it's right or not. Just that even the "perfect" conservative according to some freepers didn't do such a hot job on this matter. And he didn't have a war to contend with.
we have lost our country
Don't you know that Reagan and Bush are perfect??? Never criticize anything they ever did in their 8 years in office. They both made and are making excellent decisions, as you see, they are more than human and never make a mistake..../sarcasm off/...:)
The only way to stop this is to engage in massive pushback, I am talking about worse than the ports, I am talking Euro Cartoon Riot Freak Out type marches!
That's the point right?
This plan does not do anything to stop the flood of illegals.
Any guest worker program that doesn't require applicants to return to their country of origin to apply is AN AMNESTY.
These politicos KNOW that. They are being obtuse on purpose.
We fought a revolutionary war for less than this.
We don't need a 3rd party, we need to start over.
I'm not all that familiar with the details of the Reagan amnesty; but it's just another reminder that even our favorite presidents were not infallible. Damn that amnesty!
Well I can't see much of a difference between the 2 parties anymore. I am with you, a pox on both their houses. I will not vote for anyone again that just changes the laws to suit them instead of enforce them when it comes to illegals.
Illegals effect my entire life anymore. They have taken over the small city I live in. You can't get near a hospital here, schools are overcrowded. Crime has gone up, their little gang banger kids are everywhere! It even affects where I shop, there are parts of town you cannot even go to anymore.
And these idiots say it's okay, hunky dory! Yeah for them, they live behind gates or in neighborhoods not accessible to these people. I will not say they have no clue, I will say they just don't give a dam about the American people. Well guess what, unless they fight this fight instead of surrender, I no longer care about them. I hope anyone that votes for this AMNESTY rots in hades.
RANT OFF! ;)
Unlike the creation of the European Union, there is no public political/ academic discourse on the merits, or pros and cons of a North American Union building up to a vote within each nation as to the wish of the people to join such a union. Instead the union is being created by stealth, is already well on its way to fruition, and is being imposed on us by our own "elected" representatives and government with no opposition.
The ultimate enforcement mechanism for the North American Union is a police state. The tools for the police state are "anti-terrorist" laws. Anti Terrorist laws are a ruse to strip the people of their liberties in order to prevent dissent. The Orwellian justification is "security", "safety".
The plan of this Canada-U.S.-Mexico task force is to establish a continent-wide customs union with a common approach to trade, energy, immigration, law enforcement and security that would virtually eliminate existing national borders. The task force released its recommendations for a common North American in May 17/18, 2005.There was minor reference to it in mainstream media - no headline presentation.
The recommendations include:
Well there are two separate but related problems - how do we keep them from getting in and what do we do about the ones that are already here?
My understanding is this deals with the latter and I think its a reasonable approach for dealing with it although one could quibble about details and the need to stiffen it up, etc. I think they need to deal with both issues. I also think the public is even more upset about how easily they are waltzing in. We need troops and a wall to address that one.
Me neither, since I was about 10 when he was President. There is usually more to the story though.
You must live in my neighborhood! It is exactly the same. I carefully pick the time of day I can go shopping or where to go so I might be able to hear somebody speak English! And I've been in search of a legal gardener for 2 years now - and can't find one that can prove to me that they and their employees are legal. And God help us if we have to go to the emergency room! We'll actually have to pay our bill, after waiting for hours for the illegals to be treated for nothing.
This is just sickening.
Thanks for the facts. Much appreciated.
Of the nearly 4 million illegal immigrants eligible to apply for legal residency under the 1986 law, 55 percent were from Mexico, according to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The law gave immigrants who came to America before 1982 one year, between May 1987 and May 1988, to apply for temporary resident status and permits for employment.