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Senators near compromise on immigration reform (HERE IT COMES)
REUTERS ^ | 16 March 2006 | Donna Smith

Posted on 03/16/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by VU4G10

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To: Little Ray
Who sez we're capitalistic anymore? Look at the all "safety nets" the illegals are overloadin'.

Safety nets are socialism, not capitalism.

Food stamps, workers' comp, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, free emergency medical care, welfare payments, rent subsidies, etc, are socialist scams.

The faster the scams go bankrupt, the better.

I understand that most people like their socialist piece of the pie, so I'm in the minority.

51 posted on 03/16/2006 2:07:51 PM PST by george wythe
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To: yellowdoghunter

Time for me to go pick up a bottle Jack. This is really getting scary.


52 posted on 03/16/2006 2:08:13 PM PST by chris1
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To: Dog

The ONLY good thing I can see is this:
If illegals are pressured to become citizens, they don't want that! They DO NOT want to become Americans.

If they are told, Become a citizen NOW or leave this country tonight, good. Also, if a stipulation is that when you become a citizen you cannot go back to country of origin for 10 years, can wire only a maximum of $500 back to country of origin, AND we get our fence ALL ALONG the border. Then, fine! Go, with that.

We cannot concede any kind of amnesty without getting our BORDER FENCE! Then, we are worse than screwed, we are shameful. And, by the way, is part of the plan to take our current laws --- which have been broken by 20+ million illegals -- off the books?

And, I say absolutely NO to any kind of temporary guest worker program, creating quasi-legal non citizenship: it's a crock. Okay, I'm done being crazy and dreaming.


53 posted on 03/16/2006 2:08:20 PM PST by La Enchiladita (United we stand, divided we fall.)
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To: Little Ray

"Depends on how hard the President leans on 'em. President Bush can be mighty persuasive..."

Yeah, when his poll numbers weren't in the mid 30's/lower 40's. Hopefully congress will thumb there nose at him like they did on the port deal.


54 posted on 03/16/2006 2:08:36 PM PST by NapkinUser
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To: Little Ray

Yeah, just like on the ports. Face it Ray, the thrill is gone.


55 posted on 03/16/2006 2:08:41 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: Junior_G
We need a viable third party now.

Yeah, and I need a million dollars and bottomless mug of beer. Unfortunately, "viable" and "third-party" don't work together. I think we will have to settle for a a non-viable third-party of the protest vote, give the election to your enemies variety. Sometimes you can only win by losing.

56 posted on 03/16/2006 2:08:50 PM PST by shempy (EABOF)
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To: george wythe

I also read how Rome disintegrated as well. What is your point?


57 posted on 03/16/2006 2:09:07 PM PST by chris1
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To: VU4G10
"The votes are there," Grassley said.

Just another day at the office for just another TRAITOR!!!

58 posted on 03/16/2006 2:09:15 PM PST by La Enchiladita (United we stand, divided we fall.)
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To: BenLurkin

CRUISING DOWN THE RIVER
Jack Smith

Cruising down the river on a Sunday afternoon
With one you love, the sun above
Waiting for the moon.
An old accordion playing a sentimental tune
Cruising down the river on a Sunday afternoon.

The birds above all sing of love
A gentle, sweet refrain.
The winds around all make a sound
Like softly falling rain.
The two of us together
We'll plan our honeymoon
Cruising down the river on a Sunday afternoon.


59 posted on 03/16/2006 2:09:26 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: VU4G10

Every last RINO who votes for Kennedy-McCain needs to be defeated if they are up for re-election in November. They are no help to us anyway.


60 posted on 03/16/2006 2:10:14 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: VU4G10
Kennedy told the committee the proposal was not an amnesty. People seeking legal status would have to pay a $2,000 fine, apply for a six-year temporary status, have a job, pay taxes, learn English and show an understanding of U.S. government.

That's not such a bad deal.

61 posted on 03/16/2006 2:10:55 PM PST by Peach
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To: george wythe

I like my pie, but I'm ready for whatever to happen. Let the bottom fall out of the economy, let REAL bread lines form. I'd kind of like to see it before I die. Let the socialists realize the fruit of their workers paradise. I will laugh and laugh.


62 posted on 03/16/2006 2:11:39 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: VU4G10
Kennedy told the committee the proposal was not an amnesty. People seeking legal status would have to pay a $2,000 fine, apply for a six-year temporary status, have a job, pay taxes, learn English and show an understanding of U.S. government.

I'd have to see the details but elements of this as presented here sound reasonable to me and better than the status quo of doing nothing. I'd give them a stiffer fine. Rounding them up and deporting them is more preferable but that's not ever going to happen. Why couldn't our guys propose a stiffer version of this? Why are they gathering around an Edward Kennedy proposal? Bizarre.

63 posted on 03/16/2006 2:11:42 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Peach

AMNESTY is not such a bad deal is it?


64 posted on 03/16/2006 2:11:59 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Gee, didn't President Reagan grant amnesty to illegals? Why, yes. Yes he did.

http://www.otisgraham.com/otis_graham_writings/art_ronald_reagans_big_mistake.html


65 posted on 03/16/2006 2:12:16 PM PST by Peach
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To: La Enchiladita

Good post!

These people want to work for cash to send home, not become Americans. This plan will really screw us.


66 posted on 03/16/2006 2:12:16 PM PST by chris1
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To: VU4G10
They're floating the "get prepared balloon". I have nausea after reading this. When is enough going to be enough and we form an aggressive revolt against these traitors? It certainly isn't working at the ballet box.
67 posted on 03/16/2006 2:12:36 PM PST by drypowder
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To: ConsentofGoverned
If this plan makes it to law what makes you think we will get another party??

I didn't say I think we'll get one, I just said we need one. Frankly, I don't hold out much hope for a non-globalist, non-amnesty party to gain any steam.

68 posted on 03/16/2006 2:12:47 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Peach

What about those who don't apply? Will they get deported?


69 posted on 03/16/2006 2:13:08 PM PST by chris1
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To: Peach

With the $2000 fine, at least we'll get the upper Mexican Class.


70 posted on 03/16/2006 2:13:21 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: HiJinx
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


71 posted on 03/16/2006 2:14:50 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: BenLurkin

"My prediction: We will be sold down the river."

Which may not be too bad, because you can walk across the backs of those that are crossing it illegally.

Listen are my ten points that is needed minimally. I don't know what is in the law, but I'm sure they stole it from me:
All illegals must register under some federal identity program.
All must be fingerprinted and entered in a worker database.
All must show a record of "paid" health insurance policy.
All must show proof of paid annual auto insurance.
All must show worker's comp insurance.
All must show appropriate, valid drivers license.
All must register all family members in the states.
All must pass some basic english speaking skills.
All must pass a bilateral crime database exchange shared between the U.S. and mexico to ferret out the criminals.
All must be a yearly fee to re-validate their status.


72 posted on 03/16/2006 2:14:59 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: plain talk

You don't get it. All this will do is cause ANOTHER tsunami or illegals trying to cash in on the amnesty pie. That is why we are so opposed to it. If they stopped the flow first we could discuss this, but they have no intention of stopping or even slowing the flow.


73 posted on 03/16/2006 2:15:06 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Thanks for the ping.

I suggest everyone contact their Congressmen, NOW!

Tell them the road to citizenship is for those immigrants who follow the legal process. No amnesty for illegals. No guest worker program until the borders are secured. And enforce the existing provisions of the IRCA of 1986 that prosecutes and punishes employers who violate the law in hiring illegals.

74 posted on 03/16/2006 2:16:08 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: chris1
What about those who don't apply? Will they get deported?



LOL...Good one. Nahhh they'll just stick around for the next amnesty go round.
75 posted on 03/16/2006 2:16:19 PM PST by Blackirish (What kind of name is Plame anyway?)
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To: plain talk
Why are they gathering around an Edward Kennedy proposal?

Because it's actually a John McCain proposal, but he doesn't want his name on it this time. Kennedy either feels bulletproof or is ready to retire.

76 posted on 03/16/2006 2:16:21 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: Peach
Gee, didn't President Reagan grant amnesty to illegals? Why, yes. Yes he did.

Which did nothing but encourage more illegals to flood into the country, prompting yet another glorious amnesty.

77 posted on 03/16/2006 2:16:22 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Reagan Man

But, but, but, Reagan did it also....:)


78 posted on 03/16/2006 2:17:08 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: Junior_G

I'm not commenting whether it's right or not. Just that even the "perfect" conservative according to some freepers didn't do such a hot job on this matter. And he didn't have a war to contend with.


79 posted on 03/16/2006 2:17:30 PM PST by Peach
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To: BenLurkin

we have lost our country


80 posted on 03/16/2006 2:18:05 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: VU4G10
"Kennedy told the committee the proposal was not an amnesty"




Kennedy's brain is so pickled he doesn't know what he's saying. I doubt he even recognizes his own name anymore without a prompt from someone when he's addressed.

If what he proposes isn't amnesty.....would someone clue me in what is.

Kennedy needs to be given a sobriety test before he's ever allowed to open his mouth.
81 posted on 03/16/2006 2:18:13 PM PST by AmeriBrit (AMERICA's WORST ENEMIES! http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/0519RNCNo-1.wmv)
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To: Junior_G

Don't you know that Reagan and Bush are perfect??? Never criticize anything they ever did in their 8 years in office. They both made and are making excellent decisions, as you see, they are more than human and never make a mistake..../sarcasm off/...:)


82 posted on 03/16/2006 2:18:41 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: dirtboy

The only way to stop this is to engage in massive pushback, I am talking about worse than the ports, I am talking Euro Cartoon Riot Freak Out type marches!


83 posted on 03/16/2006 2:19:14 PM PST by RadioCirca1970
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To: Blackirish

That's the point right?

This plan does not do anything to stop the flood of illegals.


84 posted on 03/16/2006 2:19:56 PM PST by chris1
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To: VU4G10

Any guest worker program that doesn't require applicants to return to their country of origin to apply is AN AMNESTY.

These politicos KNOW that. They are being obtuse on purpose.


85 posted on 03/16/2006 2:20:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Junior_G
"Gee, didn't President Reagan grant amnesty to illegals? Why, yes. Yes he did."




And it was supposed to be the last one. President Reagan made that very clear when he sign it.
86 posted on 03/16/2006 2:20:41 PM PST by AmeriBrit (AMERICA's WORST ENEMIES! http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/0519RNCNo-1.wmv)
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To: VU4G10


We fought a revolutionary war for less than this.

We don't need a 3rd party, we need to start over.

BigMack


87 posted on 03/16/2006 2:20:44 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: Peach
...even the "perfect" conservative according to some freepers didn't do such a hot job on this matter.

I'm not all that familiar with the details of the Reagan amnesty; but it's just another reminder that even our favorite presidents were not infallible. Damn that amnesty!

88 posted on 03/16/2006 2:21:04 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G

Well I can't see much of a difference between the 2 parties anymore. I am with you, a pox on both their houses. I will not vote for anyone again that just changes the laws to suit them instead of enforce them when it comes to illegals.
Illegals effect my entire life anymore. They have taken over the small city I live in. You can't get near a hospital here, schools are overcrowded. Crime has gone up, their little gang banger kids are everywhere! It even affects where I shop, there are parts of town you cannot even go to anymore.
And these idiots say it's okay, hunky dory! Yeah for them, they live behind gates or in neighborhoods not accessible to these people. I will not say they have no clue, I will say they just don't give a dam about the American people. Well guess what, unless they fight this fight instead of surrender, I no longer care about them. I hope anyone that votes for this AMNESTY rots in hades.

RANT OFF! ;)


89 posted on 03/16/2006 2:21:24 PM PST by sheana
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To: Peach; All
The North American continent is being transformed from three sovereign nations (Canada, USA, Mexico) into one regional corporate power base, the North American Union.

Unlike the creation of the European Union, there is no public political/ academic discourse on the merits, or pros and cons of a North American Union building up to a vote within each nation as to the wish of the people to join such a union. Instead the union is being created by stealth, is already well on its way to fruition, and is being imposed on us by our own "elected" representatives and government with no opposition.

The ultimate enforcement mechanism for the North American Union is a police state. The tools for the police state are "anti-terrorist" laws. Anti Terrorist laws are a ruse to strip the people of their liberties in order to prevent dissent. The Orwellian justification is "security", "safety".

The plan of this Canada-U.S.-Mexico task force is to establish a continent-wide customs union with a common approach to trade, energy, immigration, law enforcement and security that would virtually eliminate existing national borders. The task force released its recommendations for a common North American in May 17/18, 2005.There was minor reference to it in mainstream media - no headline presentation.

The recommendations include:


90 posted on 03/16/2006 2:21:39 PM PST by vrwc0915
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To: Flavius Josephus

Well there are two separate but related problems - how do we keep them from getting in and what do we do about the ones that are already here?

My understanding is this deals with the latter and I think its a reasonable approach for dealing with it although one could quibble about details and the need to stiffen it up, etc. I think they need to deal with both issues. I also think the public is even more upset about how easily they are waltzing in. We need troops and a wall to address that one.


91 posted on 03/16/2006 2:21:43 PM PST by plain talk
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To: NapkinUser
Cornyn/Kyl, as bad as it is, could probably barely squeeze through the house, but McCain-Kennedy has a zero percent chance of passing the house of representatives, period.

I pray you are right.
92 posted on 03/16/2006 2:21:57 PM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: Junior_G
I'm not all that familiar with the details of the Reagan amnesty...

Me neither, since I was about 10 when he was President. There is usually more to the story though.

93 posted on 03/16/2006 2:22:31 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: Junior_G
but it's just another reminder that even our favorite presidents were not infallible.

Exactly.

94 posted on 03/16/2006 2:23:43 PM PST by Peach
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To: VU4G10
Kennedy told the committee the proposal was not an amnesty. People seeking legal status would have to pay a $2,000 fine, apply for a six-year temporary status, have a job, pay taxes, learn English and show an understanding of U.S. government.

And at the end of six years, Senator? What then? Congress and the President won't get rid of the ones that are here illegally already. So, how do you propose to send them back in in six year?

Senator, we know they aren't going back in six years, so, yes, Senator, it IS amnesty. You are just not calling it amnesty.
95 posted on 03/16/2006 2:24:52 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TXBSAFH

96 posted on 03/16/2006 2:25:20 PM PST by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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To: Peach
Reagan didn't support open borders. Reagan said: "A nation without borders is not a nation." Reagan did sign into law the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. It effected 2.5 million illegal aliens. It specified prosecution and punishment for employers who violated the law by hiring illegals. If the provisions of that law were enforced, the IRCA of 1986 would have turned out to be what it was meant to be, a one time amnesty deal. Instead, the Feds lack of enforcement led to an ongoing series of liberal immigration policies under Bush41, Clinton and Bush43, that has led to the 10-15 million illegals we have living in the US today. 4-5 million of those illegals came here under Bush`s time in office. Lets not make the same mistake again.
97 posted on 03/16/2006 2:25:32 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: sheana

You must live in my neighborhood! It is exactly the same. I carefully pick the time of day I can go shopping or where to go so I might be able to hear somebody speak English! And I've been in search of a legal gardener for 2 years now - and can't find one that can prove to me that they and their employees are legal. And God help us if we have to go to the emergency room! We'll actually have to pay our bill, after waiting for hours for the illegals to be treated for nothing.

This is just sickening.


98 posted on 03/16/2006 2:26:45 PM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

Thanks for the facts. Much appreciated.


99 posted on 03/16/2006 2:27:06 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: Reagan Man

Of the nearly 4 million illegal immigrants eligible to apply for legal residency under the 1986 law, 55 percent were from Mexico, according to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The law gave immigrants who came to America before 1982 one year, between May 1987 and May 1988, to apply for temporary resident status and permits for employment.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/07/16/bush.mexico/


100 posted on 03/16/2006 2:28:37 PM PST by Peach
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