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To: Axhandle
A cruel minority of perhaps 20,000 is terrorizing a majority population of more than 25 million. Even the everyday people who have disappointed us in their passivity are mostly not evil, but merely cowed by the violent fanatics in their midst.

This is what has puzzled me about the situation since early on. Why do they let these thugs and killers tell them what to do? They really don't have to. A "neighborhood association" with a few Kalashnikovs could get rid of the insurgent thugs PDQ. But they don't do it. The best I can figure is that they are victims of "learned helplessness." That's what makes laboratory dogs continue to cower in their cages even after the doors are open, convinced that stepping over the line will bring them another shock. But people aren't dogs .... One hopes they can learn.

2 posted on 03/16/2006 10:23:21 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Why do they let these thugs and killers tell them what to do? They really don't have to.

Many of these people have never lived as a free people. The tyrant was in power for 35 years.

The best I can figure is that they are victims of "learned helplessness."

Or perhaps they are just victims. How brave would you be if you looked at some one the wrong way and your eye was poked out? Or if you didn't march to vote for the dictator and one of your immediate family members were fed feet first into a chipper? Or you committed some "alleged" crine and your child was fed to a caged lion?

That's what makes laboratory dogs continue to cower in their cages even after the doors are open...

A very appropriate analogy. Please think about it in context of what I wrote above.

But people aren't dogs .... One hopes they can learn.

Correct - they aren't dogs. However, It has only been 3 years. During which time sadDAM loyalists and later al-Queda terrorists threaten them the same way sadDAM did.
They will learn, and they want to live as a free people, but it takes time and nurturing to lose the fear.

Again, think of your dog analogy. They need a loving, caring, nurturing human to work with them. The Iraqis are certainly not dogs, but they do need TLC to overcome years of tyrannical rule.

3 posted on 03/16/2006 11:16:18 PM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert; Justanobody
“What the peasant wants to know is: does the government mean to win the war? Because if not, he will have to support the insurgent.”

— Sir Robert Thompson, Defeating Communist Insurgency: The Lessons of Malaya and Vietnam

11 posted on 03/17/2006 9:39:57 AM PST by Axhandle
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