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Oldest light shows universe grew fast, researchers say [inflationary cosmology gets a big boost]
Houston Chronicle (www.chron.com) ^ | March 17, 2006 | Dennis O'Brien

Posted on 03/17/2006 3:46:30 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
But I thought the earth and Universe were only 6,000 years old?

According to Bishop Ussher, maybe, but his timeline is not the standard accepted. It is derived from his studies, which were just as good as anybody else's, in his day. The only sure thing for a theist, is the old standby, "In the beginning, God created..."

He "spoke", and it came into existence... It's quite easily defended with articles like this, which defy accepted critical theory...

21 posted on 03/17/2006 4:15:15 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

The guy works in mysterious ways, and would not answer even if I asked. Quite to the contrary, he would likely punish me for my impudence, so why don't you ask instead! :)


22 posted on 03/17/2006 4:15:38 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: pageonetoo
My feeble understanding of science, is that you can't make something out of nothing. How can you take mass the size of a marble and generate the relative mass of the universe, much less our solar system, or even my back yard, without adding something along the line?

Alan Guth, one of the co-developers of inflationary cosmology, has called the universe the ultimate free lunch. The 'marble' is made up of something called 'false vacuum', which has negative pressure. As it expands, it heats up and the resultant heat energy starts to congeal (as it were) into the ordinary types of elementary particles we see today.

23 posted on 03/17/2006 4:17:10 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Havoc

A second to God is like a lifetime to us mortals.


24 posted on 03/17/2006 4:19:50 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: AntiGuv
The Earth and the Universe came into existence last Thursday. They merely had the appearance of age built in.

Everything was created about 1/2 hour ago, when I got up.

25 posted on 03/17/2006 4:20:06 AM PST by Tax Government (Defeat the evil miscreant donkeys and their rhino lackeys.)
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To: AntiGuv; Rock N Jones
Well, part of the answer is that spacetime (or timespace) was compressed into the marble, and just 'stretched out' to a universal scale....

Do you actually believe that crap, guv? I don't need to "ask God"! He's already revealed the answer. It takes a lot of "faith" to believe the impossible, and it's easier to believe Him...


26 posted on 03/17/2006 4:21:50 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks, but there's already a thread on this topic (although not this specific title).

But wait, I have some math...
27 posted on 03/17/2006 4:22:10 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: pageonetoo
This process of inflation is never-ending, in most models. Here's a nice passage from one of Guth's articles:

...the exponential decay of the false vacuum is slower than the exponential expansion. Even though the false vacuum is decaying, the expansion outruns the decay and the total volume of false vacuum actually increases with time rather than decreases. Thus inflation does not end everywhere at once, but instead inflation ends in localized patches, in a succession that continues ad infinitum. Each patch is essentially a whole universe — at least its residents will consider it a whole universe — and so inflation can be said to produce not just one universe, but an infinite number of universes. These universes are sometimes called bubble universes, but I prefer to use the phrase “pocket universe,” to avoid the implication that they are approximately round.

Some researchers are also now working on the idea that not only is inflation future-eternal (i.e., there's no end to it) but it's also past-eternal (i.e., there was no beginning to it). So inflation was, is and always will be. Sound familiar?

But, clearly, this is work in progress...

28 posted on 03/17/2006 4:22:15 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Whatever we think is irrelevant in respect to God and (mortal) time.

It's difficult for mere mortals like us to comprehend that God always was and always will be because we measure the short time between our birth and death in minutes, hours, days, weeks, months and years.

That short span is like an instant.

29 posted on 03/17/2006 4:23:28 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: snarks_when_bored
"Some clarity on this is probably desirable."

Clarity?...We don't need no stinkin clarity.
I just say that it is all Greek to me, and move on with my life, hahaha

I know, it is interesting to know the origin of life, but
we have enough problems dealing with just a few years.
30 posted on 03/17/2006 4:25:26 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: snarks_when_bored
...The 'marble' is made up of something called 'false vacuum', which has negative pressure. As it expands, it heats up and the resultant heat energy starts to congeal (as it were) into the ordinary types of elementary particles we see today.

So, in other words, it does exactly what scientists have taught is impossible, historically? Instead, he makes up this nice theory to fit his suppositions. Unbelievable, at best. He can ask God...

31 posted on 03/17/2006 4:26:15 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo

It's no easier to believe in God than it is to believe in Santa Claus; the former is just more customary.


32 posted on 03/17/2006 4:27:50 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: pageonetoo

It's no easier to believe in God than it is to believe in Santa Claus; the former is just more customary.


33 posted on 03/17/2006 4:27:59 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: pageonetoo

If you wish, you can view the research work of these folks as asking God. The problem is, we have to try to figure out for ourselves what His answer is since He's been pretty close-mouthed in recent centuries.


34 posted on 03/17/2006 4:29:05 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: pageonetoo
So, in other words, it does exactly what scientists have taught is impossible, historically?

I'll ask you what I asked someone in the other thread about this: Why is it that you think that just because you're ignorant about something that everyone is ignorant about something?

35 posted on 03/17/2006 4:29:59 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: FerdieMurphy; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It's difficult for mere mortals like us to comprehend that God always was and always will be...

I remember laying on the nets beside the DASH hangar, hanging over the south China sea, on a tin can in 1967. In the dark, there were so many stars visible, as to be incomprehensible. The ocean waters, flowing past the ship, roiled to reveal a glowing phospohorescence, lighting sea creatures as we passed. It looked like neon lights, in the dark waters. It was a deeply moving experience.

I remember thinking of how it could not possibly have come from nothing, and I am still convinced. It is much easier to believe in God...

36 posted on 03/17/2006 4:33:50 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo

Who said it came from 'nothing'? Actually, it is much easier to believe the truth, but most people are innately resistent to acknowledging the truth for some reason. Do you want to know what the truth is?


37 posted on 03/17/2006 4:37:06 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
It's quite likely that 'nothingness' is unstable. If even the slightest blip of false vacuum were to appear out of nothingness, that would suffice to start inflation rolling. And then, as Guth points out in the passage I quoted in Post #28,

"[e]ven though the false vacuum is decaying, the expansion outruns the decay and the total volume of false vacuum actually increases with time rather than decreases. Thus inflation does not end everywhere at once, but instead inflation ends in localized patches, in a succession that continues ad infinitum."

38 posted on 03/17/2006 4:38:18 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: AntiGuv; snarks_when_bored
It's no easier to believe in God than it is to believe in Santa Claus; the former is just more customary.

I never taught my kids there was a Santa Claus. I don't teach myths, as truth...

Ignorance is one thing, easily curable. Theory does not prove anything. it just gives thought a chance to roam!

I see no proof, just another man's thinking! Nothing new, here, move along...

39 posted on 03/17/2006 4:39:47 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

I am searching for it, but there seems some theory to suggest that time doesnt actually exist. Nor does depth and the the universe is really only 2 dimensions and that it is the peculiarities of time/space caused by gravity taht makes our reality appear this way.

Time is just a dimension and God would surely not be constrained by it.


40 posted on 03/17/2006 4:41:52 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (God is such a good idea that if He didn't exist we would have to invent Him)
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