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Plane Crash Near Charleston, WV
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Posted on 03/17/2006 8:02:14 PM PST by VeniVidiVici

Plane crash near Charleston, WV. Plane was being escorted as it was not communicating with tower. No indication yet of foul play.

Waiting for news to catch up.

Admin Mod, no link as of yet. Please delete if need be due to this.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: beachcraft; beechcraftbaron56tc; charleston; crash; escorted; minnesota; montana; pilot; planecrash; westvirginia
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1 posted on 03/17/2006 8:02:16 PM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: VeniVidiVici; Admin Moderator

Please delete if not appropriate.


2 posted on 03/17/2006 8:02:48 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


3 posted on 03/17/2006 8:03:54 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: VeniVidiVici

They were being "escorted" because they would not communicate? Intresting.


4 posted on 03/17/2006 8:04:56 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: VeniVidiVici
Plane was being escorted as it was not communicating with tower.

Where did you hear this?

5 posted on 03/17/2006 8:05:12 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: VeniVidiVici
I lived and flew in and out of Charleston for years. The airport is basically a flattened hilltop where you had better land with the brakes on.

If you miss your approach, things are not going to go well.

6 posted on 03/17/2006 8:05:27 PM PST by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Any idea of plane size? Cessna? Piper? Lear? 737? 747?


7 posted on 03/17/2006 8:05:37 PM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Where did you hear this?

Local bulletin. Trying to confirm, as odd as that sounds.

8 posted on 03/17/2006 8:08:26 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

We just heard about this on our local news in MN...Not the crash, but the fact that this plane came from Montana and was supposed to land in St. Paul, but just kept going southeast.

Do you know what kind of plane it was? We're trying to get more info.


9 posted on 03/17/2006 8:08:37 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: SW6906

It couldn't be a very big jet. All my flights were on Brasilia prop planes.


10 posted on 03/17/2006 8:08:55 PM PST by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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To: VeniVidiVici

My first guess would be a disabled pilot, or an electrical failure in the airplane.

And that's NOT an area you want something bad to happen in. Lots of stuff to run into (mostly of the cumulogranite variety).

}:-)4


11 posted on 03/17/2006 8:09:34 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: Abigail Adams

Montana to St. Paul and it crashed in West Virginia? I'm having Payne Stewart flashbacks now.

}:-)4


12 posted on 03/17/2006 8:10:27 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: Abigail Adams

I wonder if it's another one of those depressurizations where everyone loses consciousness and the plane just keeps on flying.....happened to some golfer, IIRC.


13 posted on 03/17/2006 8:11:04 PM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

It USUALLY means they've had a comm failure. . .

Details are too sketchy right now to determine further. . .


14 posted on 03/17/2006 8:11:19 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Moose4

Could be slow decompression leading to pilots becoming unconscious and plane flying on autopilot until it runs out of fuel, ie Hale Irwin.


15 posted on 03/17/2006 8:11:32 PM PST by appeal2
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To: Moose4
I'm having Payne Stewart flashbacks

I was too. Flight path took it over Chicago, hence the Fed interest.

Anybody from Charleston hear sirens? :-)

16 posted on 03/17/2006 8:11:34 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Abigail Adams

Abigail, does your local news have a link we can add to the thread?


17 posted on 03/17/2006 8:12:27 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Moose4

That's what it sounds like to me too moose. Decompression followed by incapacitated pilot.


18 posted on 03/17/2006 8:12:29 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: All

Sorry, all. No indication as to the size of the aircraft yet.


19 posted on 03/17/2006 8:13:13 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

West Va??

Was it a Robert C. Byrd Plane flying on a Robert C. Byrd approved route heading to a Robert C. Byrd Runway just off the Robert C. Byrd Tollroad flying over the Robert C. Byrd Stadium???

Or something else?


20 posted on 03/17/2006 8:13:27 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: SW6906

Read post 12 for golfers name.
Well, that is possible. The plane depressurized. Escort planes went up. And if it was supposed to go north from Montana to Minnesoda, if it was on auto pilot would it have gotten that far off? I don't know much about those systems.


21 posted on 03/17/2006 8:14:32 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: VeniVidiVici

Unconfirmed report on airliners.net forums (supposedly taken from local Minneapolis/St. Paul news) said there was one pilot onboard, and it was a "twin-engine" aircraft. Nothing else, and we all know how inaccurate first news reports can be with anything having to do with aviation.

To even make it from Montana to West Virginia, it'd have to be a pretty seriously long-range aircraft. Can't think of a lot of piston twins with that much range, so maybe a turboprop or business jet.

}:-)4


22 posted on 03/17/2006 8:16:02 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: Moose4

They are saying that he ran out of fuel near Charleston.


23 posted on 03/17/2006 8:18:08 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Minnesota is not north of Montana. In fact some of it is south of Montana.
24 posted on 03/17/2006 8:19:25 PM PST by FreedomHasACost (I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I heard about it on kare11 news, but there's nothing up on their web site yet. Local news isn't exactly quick about posting breaking news on their web sites.

They said supposedly 1 pilot on board, looked like a business jet. The airport it was supposed to land at in St. Paul (Holman Field) has a lot of business jet traffic.

The Payne Stewart tragedy is the first thing we thought of when we heard about this.

Can't find any more news about it yet.


25 posted on 03/17/2006 8:20:43 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: VeniVidiVici

Sounds like incapacitated pilot or drug smuggler.


26 posted on 03/17/2006 8:22:07 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Abigail Adams

Update from KARE 11:

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=121136

A plane due to arrive at St. Paul's Holman Field tonight has flown hundreds of miles off course, the FAA confirms tonight.

The Beechcraft Baron took off from Montana late this afternoon. It passed over Minnesota and Wisconsin tonight. F-16 fighter jets checked on the plane over Madison but couldn't make contact with the pilot.

The last contact with the pilot was around 7pm central time.

Just before 10pm central time, we've learned the plane is north of Charleston, West Virginia and still heading southeast.

The FAA says only the pilot is on board.

We'll continue to follow this developing story and have the latest on Saturday on KARE-11 News and KARE11.com.


A Beechcraft Baron is a twin-piston-engined plane. It doesn't normally fly at altitudes where oxygen or pressurization is required, though there are some with turbocharged engines that can fly up there at those altitudes. I'm also surprised that one could make it from Montana all the way to West Virginia, especially if he was only planning to fly to Minneapolis.

}:-)4


27 posted on 03/17/2006 8:23:10 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: VeniVidiVici; Abigail Adams

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=121136


28 posted on 03/17/2006 8:23:25 PM PST by John W
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Finally found something. Can we get the link where it's supposed to be? :-)

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=121136

A plane due to arrive at St. Paul's Holman Field tonight has flown hundreds of miles off course, the FAA confirms tonight.

The Beechcraft Baron took off from Montana late this afternoon. It passed over Minnesota and Wisconsin tonight. F-16 fighter jets checked on the plane over Madison but couldn't make contact with the pilot.

The last contact with the pilot was around 7pm central time.

Just before 10pm central time, we've learned the plane is north of Charleston, West Virginia and still heading southeast.

The FAA says only the pilot is on board.

We'll continue to follow this developing story and have the latest on Saturday on KARE-11 News and KARE11.com.


29 posted on 03/17/2006 8:23:37 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: John W; Moose4

lol! You all got it!


30 posted on 03/17/2006 8:24:10 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Moose4

"I'm also surprised that one could make it from Montana all the way to West Virginia, especially if he was only planning to fly to Minneapolis."

That is pretty amazing. He is way off course.


31 posted on 03/17/2006 8:27:14 PM PST by jdm
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Maybe carbon monoxide. That happened to a pilot last year didn't it?
32 posted on 03/17/2006 8:28:37 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: jdm

I forget where Payne Stewart's plane was heading when the pilots were incapacitated, but he was several hundred miles off course when it finally went down. With the autopilots you can find on even a (relatively) small plane like a Baron, if the pilot died or was unconscious, the plane could keep on trucking at a given altitude and in a straightish line until it ran out of fuel, for hours if it had the gas.

}:-)4


33 posted on 03/17/2006 8:30:34 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: CindyDawg
Maybe carbon monoxide. That happened to a pilot last year didn't it?

Or he was listening to Air America and his brain went dead...

34 posted on 03/17/2006 8:32:02 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: VeniVidiVici

Found this live flight tracker info for the actual plane here:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N18LL

It was posted here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2665148/


35 posted on 03/17/2006 8:33:47 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

You beat me to it!

He filed for FL270 (27,000 feet)...quite possibly a depressurization, then. I had no idea that a turbocharged Baron could go that high!

}:-)4


36 posted on 03/17/2006 8:36:14 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: Moose4
I had no idea that a turbocharged Baron could go that high!

Maybe the plane can but the pilot can't?
37 posted on 03/17/2006 8:37:14 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Abigail Adams

Wow, didn't visualize just how far off he was. Quite a way...


38 posted on 03/17/2006 8:37:26 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000
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To: Abigail Adams
The actual plane according to that link:
39 posted on 03/17/2006 8:39:25 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000
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To: Abigail Adams

It flew right over Chicago?

That must of raised some alarms..


40 posted on 03/17/2006 8:40:21 PM PST by Shermy
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To: P-40
Maybe the plane can but the pilot can't?

Looks like the autopilot did its job...

41 posted on 03/17/2006 8:40:53 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Shermy

"It flew right over Chicago?"

No kidding. He dodged a bullet there.


42 posted on 03/17/2006 8:41:29 PM PST by jdm
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To: Abigail Adams

Thanks for the links, Abigail. That flightaware site is awesome!


43 posted on 03/17/2006 8:41:33 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: JoeSixPack1

The airport is named after Chuck Yeager.


44 posted on 03/17/2006 8:43:25 PM PST by LetsRok
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Ok, this is strange...

Im in Boone County WV. Im a newspaper editor, and I keep the scanner on at all times.

In the last hour, the Racine Fire Department Fire Rescue search team was just called out for a search of something...I dunno what..

The Boone County sheriffs office is in route, including the sheriff himself and the chief deputy.

Racine MIGHT be in the area where this plane might have gone down.

The funkiest thing is, the 911 dispatch just told the sheriff that Homeland Security had been notified of whatever the hell it was that went on.

There is definately something going on..I dunno what though..


45 posted on 03/17/2006 8:45:02 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: Armedanddangerous

Initial indications had the plane coming down north of Charleston.

But what else could be happening in Racine, WV at 12 midnight? ;-)


46 posted on 03/17/2006 8:54:48 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Let us know if you have any more info to share! It makes sense that they would contact DHS, as it was a plane not responding to communications and was being escorted at some point.


47 posted on 03/17/2006 8:55:08 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: LetsRok

i read yeager's autobiography. in it he described using his military aircraft to take folks home on leave, and they would land it in little cleared out spots on top of mountains. then they had the take-off going over the edge of a cliff. it was a do-or-die take-off every time. he had some serious balls.


48 posted on 03/17/2006 8:57:40 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: Abigail Adams

Theres definately something going on. The county emergency services director is out and on the air, and the county director of homeland security, which is just another guy in the same office.

They dont roll out for a lost dog or something. Something is going on that isn't normal, Im unclear what though..I will continue to monitor.


49 posted on 03/17/2006 9:00:09 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Pretty airplane. Barons just look fast standing still.

Looking at flightaware.com, this guy kept that plane in the air a LOT. St. Paul, Colorado Springs, San Bernadino, Vegas, Seattle, Montana, and he was headed back to St. Paul (home, I assume). And that was just in the past week.

}:-)4


50 posted on 03/17/2006 9:01:08 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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