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The Census has grown beyond it's bounds.
Townhall ^ | March 13 2006 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 03/17/2006 9:13:20 PM PST by Jeremydmccann

While the Patriot Act and National Security Agency wiretapping have received enormous attention and criticism from the mainstream media, another federal agency has been quietly gathering far more personal information about U.S. residents than those laws ever can. And this unreported project affects thousands more people.

Our inquisitive federal government has been demanding that selected U.S. residents answer 73 nosy questions. They are threatened with a fine of $5,000 for failure to respond.

When I first heard about this from a reader in Lake Geneva, Wis., I thought it might be a joke or an anomaly. But when another in Ishpeming on Michigan's Upper Peninsula received the same questionnaire, I realized something is going on nationwide.

These nosy questionnaires come under the friendly name "American Community Survey." But this is not a Gallup or a Harris poll; the interrogator is the U.S. government and has the power to compel and computerize your responses. The U.S. Constitution authorizes the government to take an "enumeration" every 10th year in order to reapportion the seats in the U.S. House of Representatives to accord with the "respective numbers" of each state's population. The Constitution thus authorizes a count of people; it doesn't authorize the government to find out with whom you share your bed and board. Beginning in 1960, the 10-year census-taking significantly changed. The government began sending a long form with many questions to a limited number of people, randomly selected, and a short form with only six questions to all remaining U.S. residents.

The government is jumping the gun on the 2010 census, and without public announcement is already sending out an extremely long form, starting with a few thousand mailings each month to a handful of residents in widely scattered small towns that don't generate national media. Recipients can't find neighbors who received the same mailing, so it's difficult to avoid the impression that the project was planned to avoid publicity and citizen opposition.

The person filling out the new long form is labeled "Person 1." That person is required by law to list the name of every other person in the household, giving his or her birth date, sex, race, marital status and relationship. Other people can be husband, daughter, grandson, in-law, etc. Others can also be "unmarried partner" (defined as a person "who shares a close personal relationship with Person 1") or "roommate (someone sharing the house/apartment but who is not romantically involved with Person 1").

Person 1 must answer 25 questions about his residence and the size of the property. What kind of a home, apartment or condo do you live in, when was it built, when did you move in, are you operating a business in your home, how many rooms and how many bedrooms do you have, what kind of bathroom and kitchen fixtures do you have, and what is the market price of your residence?

The survey asks how much you pay each month for electricity, gas, water, rent, real estate taxes, fire or flood insurance, plus six very specific questions about your first and second monthly mortgage payments. There are questions about your telephone and automobile, and about how many months of the year you and others occupy the residence.

The survey then gets really personal, seeking the answers to 42 questions about you and about every other person who resides in your household. Person 1 is used like a private investigator to extract the information from everybody else, and warned that if anyone doesn't want to answer your nosy questions, you must provide the name and telephone number of such person so Big Brother can follow up.

The information demanded for you and every other person includes very specific questions about what kind of school you and each other one attended and to what grade level, what is each person's "ancestry or ethnic origin" (no matter if your ancestors came here hundreds of years ago), what language you speak at home, how well you speak English, where you lived one year ago, what are specific physical, mental or emotional health conditions, and whether you have given birth during the past year.

More questions demand that you tell the government exactly where you are employed, what transportation you use to get to work, how many people ride in the vehicle with you, how many minutes it takes you to get to work, whether you have been laid off or absent from your job or business, how many weeks you worked during the last year, what kind of a job you have (for-profit company, not-for-profit company, government, self-employed), what kind of business it is, exactly what kind of work you did, what was your last year's wage or salary, and what was your other income from any other source.

The Census Bureau warns: "We may combine your answers with information that you gave to other agencies." (Does that mean IRS? Social Security? New hires directory? Child support enforcement? Criminal databases? Commercial databases?)

The questionnaire promises that it will take only 38 minutes to answer these questions. Of course, that estimate fails to include the hours it takes to collect the required information from so many different sources.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2010census; acs; census; data2010; healthypeople; healthypeople2010
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1 posted on 03/17/2006 9:13:23 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann

I was one of those selected people in 2000. My Mom thought the questions were so personal that I should not answer them. I told her it was the government asking them, and they already knew all the answers -- all they needed to do was query the appropriate database at the appropriate agency.

2 posted on 03/17/2006 9:28:02 PM PST by OrangeDaisy
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To: Jeremydmccann
it's = it is

its = possessive form of it

3 posted on 03/17/2006 9:29:13 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: OrangeDaisy
me too. I only answered how many lived here.
They sent a census worker out to get more info.
I gave her the names and ages and gender
She came back for more info. I said no, I'll pay the fine, who do I make the check out to ?
haven't heard hyde nor hair about it since.
4 posted on 03/17/2006 9:32:26 PM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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5 posted on 03/17/2006 9:33:17 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann
Yep, American Community Survey has been around awhile. It's like government provided market research - our tax dollars at work.

I got the long form for the census last time, but refused to answer most of the questions when the census taker was on the porch. No one followed up. The Community Survey is well outside the constitutional call for a census. It's just plain government nosiness and profiteering (selling demographic data on the open market).
6 posted on 03/17/2006 9:35:20 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Jeremydmccann

Okay. Big Brother is just getting too big for his pants. So what should we do about it? Let's pants him! But seriously, this is really scary. Are any attorneys willing to sue the government, if this should turn out to be true?

7 posted on 03/17/2006 9:37:48 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: stylin19a

Did it ask if you owned firearms?

8 posted on 03/17/2006 9:41:08 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann

Somebody needs to start a suit and get this nonsense to the Supreme Court post haste.
Let those judges "clarify" what is meant by "enumeration".
Meanwhile, the scumbag government certainly will not get honest answers from me on any such survey. Did you notice that NOWHERE does this article state whether there is a penalty for failure to respond or for responding "inaccurately"?

9 posted on 03/17/2006 9:44:37 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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I live in a really rural area and we did not have 911 service for years after the rest of the country. Right before we got the 911 service in our area we got a form in the mail to fill out. The firearm question was on the form. I did not answer it and a lady called me thinking I had accidently left it blank. She told me this was very vital information if LE was ever called to my home. I told her I would not answer that question, and my opinion was that anytime LE answered a call at anyone's home they should respond as if the homeowner were armed and use caution. I also pointed out that criminals were not likely to answer the question honestly if they did answer it so I thought the question had no value. She got huffy, but I never heard from them again.

10 posted on 03/17/2006 9:51:34 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Lancey Howard

This is government intrusion on a scale that even the Clintonistas could not have dreamed. Someone absolutely needs to do something obout this frightening nonsense.

11 posted on 03/17/2006 9:53:07 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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12 posted on 03/17/2006 9:54:43 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Jeremydmccann

2005 Survey Form (pdf)

13 posted on 03/17/2006 9:56:21 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Jeremydmccann
i don't recall any questions about weapons.
It did ask about medical history of people living here. It also asked about how i spend my money among other things.
It was real invasive.

I remember that it asked about race, if you were "some other race", "Print race below".
So that's what I did. I printed R A C E.

I'm guessing more & more people are going to get this census document.
14 posted on 03/17/2006 9:56:26 PM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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To: Tammy8

That's crazy! Now why would they need to know that? i tell ya, this big government nonsense is frightening. We need to restore the government to it's constitutional size. For that is the only way we shall ever see constitutional governance.

15 posted on 03/17/2006 9:59:31 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann
The census is a complete joke. In 2000 we got the short questionnaire but that still asks more than the key question so the only answer they got was how many people lived at the house. The other stuff like ages and races (and some of the choices they gave for answers to that I think were just made up, like the multiple subsets of hispanic and I'm not even sure hispanic is a race to begin with) went unanswered. A pair of census "workers" did come to the door but they only wanted to know about the neighbors. I just said I would only speak for myself (and I was at least more polite than the time the UFO cult came to the door).
16 posted on 03/17/2006 10:00:57 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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17 posted on 03/17/2006 10:01:24 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Kay Ludlow

I got the long form in 2000, too. I didn't return it. Someone came to the house and I told them the questions were too intrusive and they should leave my property. They sent another person out, who threatened me with a fine. I got wiser and told them I lost the form and if they would just leave another on the doorstep, I would send it in. I never did and they never contacted me again. By the way, they told me they already had the names of those living in our home, supplied without my knowledge by the local postmaster (extremely rural area).

18 posted on 03/17/2006 10:04:02 PM PST by Wage Slave
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To: Jeremydmccann
My (now deceased) father in law used to get long, messy forms from Uncle Sam to fill out about his farm.

I asked if he filled them out - his reply was a classic - Anytime I get something from the government I open it and look for a check. No check - I use the paper to start my wood stove, saves a bundle on kindling.
19 posted on 03/17/2006 10:08:29 PM PST by ASOC (Choosing between the lesser of two evils, in the end, still leaves you with - evil.)
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20 posted on 03/17/2006 10:10:11 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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