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Paleo Pat Wants... Well, What?
Forbes.com ^ | 03/17/06 | Rich Karlgaard

Posted on 03/17/2006 9:25:41 PM PST by peyton randolph

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Economic patriotism means, I gather, kicking Toyota and Nissan out of the U.S. Yes, what an unfair advantage these manufacturers have down there in Tennessee and Alabama. Their workers actually show up for work. Imagine that! They have an average daily absentee rate of 2%. Up in Michigan, Buchanan country, the average daily absentee rate in a union auto factory is 10% to 12%. But let’s bring this back in the name of economic patriotism.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brigadier; manufacturing; moonbat; oneborneveryminute; paleo; patsy; theytookourjobs
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1 posted on 03/17/2006 9:25:45 PM PST by peyton randolph
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To: peyton randolph
This is a great line, too:

Let’s dissect his phrase, economic patriotism... what is that? In Buchanan’s world, it means shutting down free trade. The last time economic patriotism was tried, in 1930, well, you know the result.

2 posted on 03/17/2006 9:28:33 PM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: peyton randolph


what a wild bunch,

Pat Buchanan,Chuck Schumer,Mark Levin.


3 posted on 03/17/2006 9:33:29 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: peyton randolph

And of course Pat would just love to get rid of all the JOOOOOOOOOS.


4 posted on 03/17/2006 9:34:38 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: peyton randolph
Up in Michigan, Buchanan country, the average daily absentee rate in a union auto factory is 10% to 12%.

Bullshit.

5 posted on 03/17/2006 9:36:13 PM PST by Willie Green (Throw the bums out!!! ............ALL OF THEM.)
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To: Howlin

My problem with economic patriotism is that it usually means that people with no real interest in a business want to tell it what it can do. When I used my money and talent to start and develop a business I did not regard it as an American business. It was mine.


6 posted on 03/17/2006 9:36:23 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Willie Green
Bullshit.

Your posts are always so amusing. I picture an angry man with a framed photo of Paleo Pat sitting next to the keyboard...one hand typing away...and the other holding a Brigadier Pitchfork.


 

7 posted on 03/17/2006 9:40:36 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: ClaireSolt
it usually means that people with no real interest in a business want to tell it what it can do.

Correct; and the loudest ones are the ones whose "business" is selling themselves.

At your expense.

8 posted on 03/17/2006 9:43:03 PM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: peyton randolph
Yeah. Another MORON who has NEVER WORKED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR and "hates big bidness" without acknowledging that most of us in "little business" have benefitted from the global economy as well.

Of course, Pat wants us to return to the old days, when my ancestors worked in smelly factories, lived in row houses and tenements, but at least they were loyal to their parishes (an important point for the Paleos).

9 posted on 03/17/2006 9:44:11 PM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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To: ClaireSolt
My problem with economic patriotism is that it usually means that people with no real interest in a business want to tell it what it can do. 

Pat's business experience consists of working for the media and creating a fundraising machine based on duping paleos to send him money. Ayn Rand referred to the Pats of the world as second-handers. Other examples include Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton, etc.
 

10 posted on 03/17/2006 9:46:57 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: ClaireSolt
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your consul, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen."

-- Samuel Adams


11 posted on 03/17/2006 9:49:57 PM PST by Willie Green (Throw the bums out!!! ............ALL OF THEM.)
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To: Willie Green

You seem to forget freedom also means buying things from whom I choose, selling things to whom I choose and working for whom I choose without others dictating the terms.

You seem to be the one trading individual freedom for the illusion of security via unions and trade barriers.


12 posted on 03/17/2006 10:10:56 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: peyton randolph

In Patty's world, the President of Iran is just that guy who's only threatening Israel and not us, and besides it's all their fault anyway.


13 posted on 03/17/2006 10:14:44 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A fool and his money are soon parted. Democrats love fools.)
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To: peyton randolph

lol


14 posted on 03/17/2006 10:15:19 PM PST by Once-Ler (Principled conservatives don't vote for $trillion budgets and blame Dubya for signing them.)
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To: peyton randolph
I value what Pat Buchanan says over any neocon's opinion any day.
15 posted on 03/17/2006 10:29:47 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: DB; Willie Green
You seem to forget freedom also means buying things from whom I choose, selling things to whom I choose and working for whom I choose without others dictating the terms.

Very well, then.

Legalize drugs and prostitution.

16 posted on 03/17/2006 10:34:37 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
I value what Pat Buchanan says over any neocon's opinion any day.
Save yourself the time of monitoring his statements. Just buy a copy of Mein Kampf.
17 posted on 03/17/2006 10:37:43 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph; Willie Green
Just buy a copy of Mein Kampf.

The more people like you are driven to spouting panicky hyperbole at the mere mention of Pat's name, the more I believe Pat has you all figured out.

18 posted on 03/17/2006 10:47:31 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: peyton randolph

Isolationist mouth-breather place-marker.

19 posted on 03/17/2006 10:50:57 PM PST by M203M4
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To: Age of Reason
The more people like you...yada yada yada

 


People like me?

Does that mean

(a) I'm Jewish?

(b) I'm a neocon, i.e. same as (a).

(c) I'm hispanic

or

(d) all of the above.

 
When you determine which of the above I'm guilty of, feel free to point the way to the crematoriums.

20 posted on 03/17/2006 11:05:37 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Age of Reason
Hey, I would.

I think the WOD has caused far more harm than good.

And as far as prostitution goes. Consenting adults in their own homes can do whatever they want as long as it isn't endangering the neighbors.
21 posted on 03/18/2006 12:13:00 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: peyton randolph

BMW, Michelin Toyota, Nissan and Honda haven't been arming themselves with an eye on America, as far as I know. Big Difference. They haven't been aiding and supplying terrorists either, unless I missed something.


22 posted on 03/18/2006 4:16:44 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: Howlin

"Let’s dissect his phrase, economic patriotism... what is that? In Buchanan’s world, it means shutting down free trade. The last time economic patriotism was tried, in 1930, well, you know the result."

Amen! All you FR isolationists need some World History in the worst way!!!!! Great highlight Howlin!

LLS


23 posted on 03/18/2006 4:56:08 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Willie Green

I lost ALL respect for Sam when I first tasted that swill he markets as beer!

LLS


24 posted on 03/18/2006 4:58:36 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: peyton randolph

I am happy to support any business whose business is not done at my uncompensated expense.


25 posted on 03/18/2006 5:11:46 AM PST by thoughtomator (Nobody would have cared if the UAE wanted to buy Macy's...)
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To: thoughtomator

--I am happy to support any business whose business is not done at my uncompensated expense.

Under capitalism? Whatever. My daddy always told me no one owes me a living.


26 posted on 03/18/2006 5:32:39 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

If a business is doing business by, say, creating a lot of noise outside my home, that constitutes an expense (of peace of mind) on my part. If I get nothing for the existence of that business other than headaches, this is an example of a parasitic business model, which I do not support. On the other hand, this exact same business in a different place, where it did not involve this cost to uncompensated others, would get my full support.


27 posted on 03/18/2006 6:03:22 AM PST by thoughtomator (Nobody would have cared if the UAE wanted to buy Macy's...)
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To: Clemenza
Another MORON who has NEVER WORKED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR

Buchanan has actualy been very, very successful in the private sector for many years. I'm not quite sure what you are talking about here. He has written books, launched his own television shows, radio shows, a magazine, and written his own newspaper column for years. You may not respect his opinions, but you should respect his hard work and initiative if nothing else.

28 posted on 03/18/2006 6:14:58 AM PST by Diago (http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com)
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To: thoughtomator
If a business is doing business by, say, creating a lot of noise outside my home, that constitutes an expense (of peace of mind) on my part. If I get nothing for the existence of that business other than headaches, this is an example of a parasitic business model, which I do not support. On the other hand, this exact same business in a different place, where it did not involve this cost to uncompensated others, would get my full support.

The most original defense of outsourcing I've ever read.

29 posted on 03/18/2006 6:14:59 AM PST by bkepley
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To: peyton randolph
When you determine which of the above I'm guilty of, feel free to point the way to the crematoriums.

It doesn't really matter.
The personal invectives hurled by neocons are indistinguishable from those of the neo-marxists.
And that's just one of many reasons why America is getting fed-up with the Bush Administration's globalization policies.

30 posted on 03/18/2006 6:23:34 AM PST by Willie Green (Throw the bums out!!! ............ALL OF THEM.)
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To: bkepley

That's the most original misinterpretation of one of my posts I've seen in quite some time.


31 posted on 03/18/2006 6:34:01 AM PST by thoughtomator (Nobody would have cared if the UAE wanted to buy Macy's...)
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To: thoughtomator

Doesn't matter, in the real world communities welcome business into their area, even when they are foreign owned and attempt to mitigate any annoyances created.


32 posted on 03/18/2006 6:37:40 AM PST by bkepley
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To: thoughtomator

Well this, "any business whose business is not done at my uncompensated expense", does definately not include the biggest business in America which Uncle Sam runs totally and completely at taxpayers expense.


33 posted on 03/18/2006 6:41:08 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: peyton randolph
There is a need for Pat Buchanan's extremism. It helps yank the center and "moderate" "Republicans" back towards the right. I have no problem with foreign companies manufacturing here. I do have a problem with UAE or any Islamic state running our ports. There is a huge difference. "Protectionism" is not always evil. Usually, but now always.
34 posted on 03/18/2006 6:44:03 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Most over-rated beer on the face of the planet. Even drinking it from a tap doesn't help . . . rare, indeed.


35 posted on 03/18/2006 6:45:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Howlin
The last time economic patriotism was tried, in 1930

Not true.
36 posted on 03/18/2006 6:48:53 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Source: The Heritage Foundation

37 posted on 03/18/2006 6:56:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: manwiththehands
I do have a problem with UAE or any Islamic state running our ports. There is a huge difference. "Protectionism" is not always evil. Usually, but now always

Uh they(the UAE) weren't going to "run" the ports. The union thugs do that.

38 posted on 03/18/2006 7:00:05 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: bkepley

In the real world, communities welcome business into their area with a LOT of conditions, all of which you are ignoring in your radical oversimplification. Aren't too many communities which would welcome, say, a porn business, even though it brought money and jobs into the area.


39 posted on 03/18/2006 7:18:18 AM PST by thoughtomator (Nobody would have cared if the UAE wanted to buy Macy's...)
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To: thoughtomator

--In the real world, communities welcome business into their area with a LOT of conditions, all of which you are ignoring in your radical oversimplification. Aren't too many communities which would welcome, say, a porn business, even though it brought money and jobs into the area.

Not my "radical simplifications", your simple examples. That type of counter-argument can be put to any social proposal.


40 posted on 03/18/2006 7:26:19 AM PST by bkepley
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To: 1rudeboy

Who compensates the government for loss of tariff revenues due to "free trade"?


41 posted on 03/18/2006 7:44:02 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: manwiththehands
I do have a problem with UAE or any Islamic state running our ports.

Patsy, however, had absolutely nothing to do with the Dubai port decision. In fact, if he had been the opposition spokesman, it would have been approved by Congress because of him. He's claiming credit after the fact.

The Dubai deal was DOA because of a coalition of opportunistic Democrats trying to look tough on national security, Rep. King and his longshoremen buddies, and Republicans who were either actually concerned about national security or afraid of what the issue would do to their re-election chances this fall.

Pat claiming credit for anything is like the DU moonbats blaming Bush for everything.

42 posted on 03/18/2006 9:42:25 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: 1rudeboy
The yellow curve also displays the average happiness of armchair socialists/communists. See that little peak at '76 to '79?

Great sadness in the increases in decadent borgeous excess. Those damn capitalists and their high standards of living, high productivity, and overall contentment! How dare they work hard and enjoy the fruits of their labor while Buchananites and liberals everywhere moan, complain and generally wallow in their self-imposed misery? Why oh why won't the government force others to be as unhappy and useless?

43 posted on 03/18/2006 9:43:56 AM PST by M203M4
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To: peyton randolph
Sorry, but the Dubai deal was done in by people like me. And Bush helped out a little by threatening to use his "veto pen" if it didn't go through. Bingo. "VETO PEN"?!?!?!

Bush didn't know what a veto pen was until his Dubai deal was threatened.

I contacted my congressman immediately ... and so did thousands like me.

At face value it simply did NOT make sense. And instead of reconsidering Bush takes a "hard line" approach for a change. But Bush took a hard line approach against me, a Republican. Wooooo! I'm so scared! That was enough for me.

When he takes his "veto pen" and uses it on a budget for once I might forgive him for this Dubai deal.

I voted for the man twice. But I've had it up to my eyebrows with Bush and his seemingly unending missteps when it comes to who and for what he decides to play "hardball".

44 posted on 03/18/2006 10:49:32 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: peyton randolph
People like me? Does that mean

(a) I'm Jewish?

(b) I'm a neocon, i.e. same as (a).

(c) I'm hispanic

or

(d) all of the above

Careful--

People might think your reply to me is like my friend Tommy's reply to our principal during our schooldays.

Someone had broken the schoolhouse windows.

So the principal asked a bunch of us standing nearby if we were throwing rocks that day.

And Tommy blurted out: "We wasn't shooting no BB gun."

Tommy's guilty conscience told the principal something he didn't suspect.

45 posted on 03/18/2006 10:56:06 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: peyton randolph
point the way to the crematoriums

See, there you go again.

I must be touching some tender nerve in you or a guilty conscience.

'Cause it's YOU who keeps suggesting a certain race or races are to blame.

46 posted on 03/18/2006 11:00:33 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: manwiththehands
Sorry, but the Dubai deal was done in by people like me.
I'm not disagreeing with that...I'm stating that Pat Buchanan had absolutely nothing to do with killing the ports deal. He has no credibility with anyone in D.C. Claiming victory after the fact by Pat is absurd. It wasn't his victory.
47 posted on 03/18/2006 11:26:25 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Age of Reason
'Cause it's YOU who keeps suggesting a certain race or races are to blame.
No...that is a Paleo Pat technique. All domestic issues are the fault of neocons (Jews) and Mexicans. You either share Pat's beliefs re: race and ethnicity or you're one of his dupes too blind to see it.
48 posted on 03/18/2006 11:30:06 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph

Pat Buchanan's biggest problem is that he has done an awful lot to destroy his own credibility. When a guy driving a Mercedes-Benz made in Germany mounts a "populist" presidential campaign by railing against Japanese companies that builds their cars in Ohio or Tennessee, it's easy to see why a lot of people have a hard time taking him seriously.


49 posted on 03/19/2006 9:40:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: peyton randolph
No...that is a Paleo Pat technique. All domestic issues are the fault of neocons (Jews) and Mexicans. You either share Pat's beliefs re: race and ethnicity or you're one of his dupes too blind to see it.

So, neocons = Jews and Mexicans?

Seems to me there are many neocons who are neither.

Yet you insist on trying to deflect criticism of neoconolgy by bringing up race.

Could be your obsession with race gets in the way of your reason.

50 posted on 03/19/2006 11:24:20 AM PST by Age of Reason
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