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Saddam's Philippines Terror Connection(Yes, Saddam financially supported terrorists)
Weekly Standard ^ | 03/18/2006 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 03/18/2006 5:58:16 AM PST by KCRW

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Of course, we already knew that Saddam was in bed with Al Queda, now how do we convince the MSM to print these documents?
1 posted on 03/18/2006 5:58:19 AM PST by KCRW
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To: KCRW
now how do we convince the MSM to print these documents?

It seems very unlikely the MSM will ever print any documents that would prove they were wrong for years. If they admit they were wrong, and not just a little wrong, but bashing the president in the middle of a war borderline treason wrong would invalidate their claims of objectivity as well as accuracy. Of course those are already invalid, but they'd have to admit it...something they'll never do.

2 posted on 03/18/2006 6:01:20 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: backhoe

Ping!


3 posted on 03/18/2006 6:17:18 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: KCRW

Hmmmm.....Terry Nichols connection?


4 posted on 03/18/2006 6:18:12 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: KCRW; Peach
"The second, an internal Iraqi Intelligence memo on the relationships between the IIS and Saudi opposition groups, records that Osama bin Laden requested Iraqi cooperation on terrorism and propaganda and that in January 1997 the Iraqi regime was eager to continue its relationship with bin Laden."

Folks, there is no way the grinning liars on the left can spin this. They can try, but it this is explicit--Saddam and Osama were in it together. I can't wait for the ones that will finally tell us how Saddam helped with 9/11. It's probably in there somewhere, because I believe he did.

5 posted on 03/18/2006 6:23:07 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Victor; Nancie Drew

I think Jayna Davis has always thought so--if you get a chance, pick up her book, "The Third Terrorist" about the OKC bombing.


6 posted on 03/18/2006 6:24:13 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: KCRW

Wonder if we'll ever find the Iraqi connection with Timothy McVeigh, an Iraq war vet who apparently became very anti-American and pro-Iraq during his Desert Storm service, and with his convicted co-conspirator who had a strong Philippines connection (his wife was a Filipina, and her family lived in the same building as the terrorists who were plotting to kill Pope JPII on his visit, IIRC). Of course, even if it were found out, I doubt that it would be made public.


7 posted on 03/18/2006 6:25:01 AM PST by livius
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To: Victor; MizSterious
Hmmmm.....Terry Nichols connection?

Old, old files:

-The OKC Bombing Roundup--

OKC Bombing Links

The top link had some updates.

8 posted on 03/18/2006 6:27:50 AM PST by backhoe
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To: KCRW
SADDAM HUSSEIN'S REGIME PROVIDED FINANCIAL support to Abu Sayyaf, the al Qaeda-linked jihadist group founded by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law in the Philippines in the late 1990s,

I think the libs must be noticing this trend of translations of documents showing that Saddam wanted WMD's and that he had connections with Al Qaeda. They won't admit it yet, of course. But, the facts must be gnawing away at the neatly arranged anti-war arguments in their tiny, tiny minds.

Many reasons why Saddam should have been deposed

9 posted on 03/18/2006 6:29:54 AM PST by syriacus (Would fewer Americans have died in Iraq if the French and Germans had helped depose Saddam?)
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To: KCRW
Yes, Saddam financially supported terrorists

That can't be true. The moonbats say so.

10 posted on 03/18/2006 6:33:05 AM PST by Unkosified (Patiently waiting for Ted Kennedy's manslaughter trial for 36 years now.)
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To: highlander_UW
they'd have to admit it...something they'll never do.

Libs are a lot like two-year-olds, aren't they? Little Chuckie Schumer, proved he is like a two-year-old during the hearings for Scalia and Roberts.

11 posted on 03/18/2006 6:36:03 AM PST by syriacus (Would fewer Americans have died in Iraq if the French and Germans had helped depose Saddam?)
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To: syriacus
Correction: Chuck Schumer proved he is like a two-year-old during the hearings for Scalia Alito and Roberts.
12 posted on 03/18/2006 6:37:06 AM PST by syriacus (Would fewer Americans have died in Iraq if the French and Germans had helped depose Saddam?)
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To: KCRW
"An eight-page fax dated June 6, 2001, and sent from the Iraqi ambassador in Manila to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Baghdad, provides an update on Abu Sayyaf kidnappings and indicates that the Iraqi regime was providing the group with money to purchase weapons."
13 posted on 03/18/2006 6:41:41 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: KCRW

Gee, who would have thought it? ...and all this time we thought Saddam was up for sainthood.


14 posted on 03/18/2006 6:55:58 AM PST by madison10
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To: KCRW
All of this is much less than six degrees of separation.

Murrah/OKC very probably entangles with the Iraqi military GWHB allowed to settle in the Kansas City area which could be entangled with Nichols of Kansas and McVey who had connections to the Philippines where bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had connections.

If we were to play connect-the-dots, we'd eventually end up with one relatively large single dot of Islamofanatic terrorism.

GWB admin had to cover for the x42 administration (USS Cole, WTC 1, Murrah/OKC) because x42, to cover his own a$$ and deny that terrorists hit the heartland of America on his watch, thusly ended up covering for himself and GWHB's allowing the x-Iraqi army officers to settle in Kansas.

What a sticky wicket. No wonder the 9-11 Commission, principally with Jamie Gorelick and Benvenista at the helm, was empowered (and commissioned) to cover up the whole nasty mess as best they could. No wonder Rep. Weldon is being made a pariah for his insistence on investigating and publicizing the Able Danger data-mining program.

Six degrees of separation? I'd bet the connections could be made in three degrees or less, if all the details were truly know.
15 posted on 03/18/2006 7:13:43 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: KCRW

http://i1.tinypic.com/rmmgpf.jpg
16 posted on 03/18/2006 7:17:21 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: KCRW

Not suprising.
IIRC, it was pretty well accepted that Abu Sayeff conducted their
kidnapping operations as a conduit for funding.
In other words, they'd kidnap innocents, then someone like Khaddafi would
send a million-dollar ransom.
The kidnapping was just a way to allow the foreign sponsors like
khaddafi a simple money-transfer method to fellow travelers like
Abu Sayeff.


17 posted on 03/18/2006 7:19:38 AM PST by VOA
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To: Victor

Jayna Davis will want to see this, but I forgot her screen name.


18 posted on 03/18/2006 7:26:38 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Is there a date when that directive was issued?

I find item #2 very interesting.


19 posted on 03/18/2006 7:35:25 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: KCRW
The entire leftwing media spent the 90's editorializing to Clinton about intell worries over a OBL/Saddam hook-up.

But they have managed to completely purge that decade and the words they wrote during that time, from the public mind.

They will have no trouble spiking these stories.

We must fact the fact that the big media controls mass communication, and endeavor to destroy them.
20 posted on 03/18/2006 7:37:50 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: KCRW

People need to understand that they are going to have to plow through tons of documents that are trite and meaningless in order to find the few gems that will unlock the mysteries. It's going to be slow going but needs to be done by people who won't get discourged by the mundane nature of most of them.


21 posted on 03/18/2006 7:38:25 AM PST by McGavin999 (I suggest the UAE form a Joint Venture Partnership with Halliburton & Wal-Mart)
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To: KCRW

The Philippine connection is extremely interesting to me.

My son's Marine platoon was the first helo'd in from the U.S.S. Exeter to help in the recovery effort after the mudslide on Leyte. (They were detailed to look for the school. They never found it, but, in digging, they found so many more folks who hadn't made it. The school was found days later 200 yards downhill.)

The Marines had gone in with weapons because Al-Qaeda (No, NOT Al-Qaeda Qatie Quric) is active in the area. Then, the Philippines requested they not carry arms. So, of course, our DOD though our d****d State Department yielded to the request and my son and his guys were out digging without their own weapons. The Philippine army was at hand, however. I'm not certain how effective the PA was because one of the companies working on another part of the community were fired upon. By the time they could get their weapons and pursue, the sniper was gone. The company is going to get a combat action ribbon.

The Philippine authorities sent politicians and military commanders to the Exeter et al to thank our guys. My son got to shake hands with a number of high Philippine commanders.

(I have not served. My tagline honors my son and my cousin.)


22 posted on 03/18/2006 7:39:35 AM PST by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: KCRW

bookmark


23 posted on 03/18/2006 7:42:11 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: VOA

yup , and condensed , it mat read ,...

Abu Sayeff[*jungle muzzies*] , in consort with ME i$lamofaci$t funding ,...

used kidnapOps as cover for money laundering ,...

SHOCKED that the AntiqueMedia isn't interested [/srcsm]


24 posted on 03/18/2006 7:55:38 AM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: Dad yer funny

mat=may , [sHheeeesh #@#]


25 posted on 03/18/2006 7:57:01 AM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: MizSterious
Folks, there is no way the grinning liars on the left can spin this.

I'm more concerned to see some of the anti-war Bush hater's on FR to be groveling, asking for forgiveness and eating crow for lunch for the next week.

26 posted on 03/18/2006 8:06:28 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: TomGuy
Is there a date when that directive was issued?
I find item #2 very interesting.


I'm not 100% positive, but I believe it was Sept 15th 2001.

Thats the complete translation (courtesy of http://www.IraqTheModel.com ) of the document that the ABC story and all that RUSH read on friday was all about.

So, of course, it lacks the "ABC Editor Notes" and any editing they did. (It doesn't look like they did their own translation, so many lines are exactly as in the ABC news story -- probably just ripped it off the Iraqi blog)
27 posted on 03/18/2006 8:06:43 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Sorry for double post guys, I'm trying to get screenshots of different Saddam doc translations into a single post. Easiest to just put it out there to grab later and add to.

http://i1.tinypic.com/rmo21t.jpg


http://i1.tinypic.com/rmof80.jpg
28 posted on 03/18/2006 8:13:14 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: KCRW

I'll take, "Stories that will never be on tha Whirld Newz Tanite" for $3,000 Alex.


29 posted on 03/18/2006 8:15:22 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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later read


30 posted on 03/18/2006 8:17:35 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: KCRW; ovrtaxt; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

bump and PING! (Bojinka?)


31 posted on 03/18/2006 8:21:44 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: KCRW
Wonder when document/s are found connecting OKCBombing to Saddam? There's never been much doubt this attack came from the middle east i.e. Iraq, Iran, Al Queda. Toon wanted Americans to take the total blame...when in fact there was evidence covered up it came from the Philippians too.
32 posted on 03/18/2006 8:25:48 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: shield
Wonder when document/s are found connecting OKCBombing to Saddam?

Thats what some people are speculating about #2 in the above translation.

Things are about to get VERY interesting...
33 posted on 03/18/2006 8:36:37 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: highlander_UW
It seems very unlikely the MSM will ever print any documents that would prove they were wrong for years.

The fact that these documents were released has not been very well publicized. Do a search in Yahoo news for "documents". It appears there was a press release put out by someone. Note each of the articles hitting the same point, word for word: Documents released, dissention in Al Queda, etc. Nothing about anything else.

It is easy for the media to report from a press release. Some authority should be putting them out. I don't think the MSM is going to go through these and glean anything that would support the war or this administration.

34 posted on 03/18/2006 8:48:13 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (LET NO ONE BE FORGOTTEN, LET NO ONE FORGET)
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To: KCRW; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; SwatTeam; ...
Saddam's Philippines Terror Connection(Yes, Saddam financially supported terrorists)

Release of Classified PreWar Docs ping. If you want to be added or removed to the ping list, please Freepmail me.

Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents

35 posted on 03/18/2006 8:50:22 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: MizSterious
"...in January 1997 the Iraqi regime was eager to continue its relationship with bin Laden."

In other words, as early as 1997 Saddam and Bin Laden already had an existing relationship!!!!

36 posted on 03/18/2006 8:51:10 AM PST by Paine in the Neck
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To: KCRW

The further research needed here is in regard to the Phillipine terror operation which sought to hijack a large number of airlines in the Philipines.

This operation was thwarted in the late 1990s but shows the continuous connection of Iraqi money to terror airline hijackings.


37 posted on 03/18/2006 9:01:36 AM PST by lonestar67
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To: TomGuy
"If we were to play connect-the-dots, we'd eventually end up with one relatively large single dot of Islamofanatic terrorism."

bttt!

38 posted on 03/18/2006 9:04:58 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: fooman; truthaboveall

ping


39 posted on 03/18/2006 9:09:07 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: KCRW

This is going to get better every day. Can't wait for the movie.


40 posted on 03/18/2006 9:10:31 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: World'sGoneInsane
The fact that these documents were released has not been very well publicized. Do a search in Yahoo news for "documents". It appears there was a press release put out by someone. Note each of the articles hitting the same point, word for word: Documents released, dissension in Al Queda, etc. Nothing about anything else.

It is easy for the media to report from a press release. Some authority should be putting them out. I don't think the MSM is going to go through these and glean anything that would support the war or this administration.


Thats interesting... I was watching Hardball yesterday, Chrissy was saying that people are down on Iraq, down on the Economy, etc. The guest responded with how good the economy is, and of course chrissy comes back with "but the polls don't show that"

Anyway, it ended up with the guest explaining that Chrissy and the MSM aren't interested in reporting the good news on the economy, much like they aren't about Iraq.

Chrissy got all pissy and was yelling "at the half of the hour right there, we have stock and market updates so I don't see how you can say we don't report the good news that things are up and all"

TOTALLY missing the point (not uncommon for Chrissy). Like you said, sticking an up arrow on a scrolling graphic, or saying what the dow is at is one thing. Its TOTALLY different than a 'news cycle' where the 'motivation' is "lets do a story on what are the hot sectors for the new jobs" or a few puff tangent pieces or whatever.

Sadly, its that incidental media 'saturation' that influences half of Americans who aren't actively out LOOKING for the information in the first place.

Anyway, you made the same point here, and I totally agree.
41 posted on 03/18/2006 9:22:12 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: KCRW

O-klahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain....


42 posted on 03/18/2006 9:25:47 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: KCRW
Yes, Saddam financially supported terrorists

SHHHH!  Come on, we all know "Bush Lied ... People Died!".

Just ask the MSM, lefties, democrats, the UN

Ya wanna make liers outta all those people?

43 posted on 03/18/2006 9:31:22 AM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: MizSterious
Folks, there is no way the grinning liars on the left can spin this.

Yes they can and will because the Clinton administration was aware of this and put it in an indictment of bin Laden.

See this specific post and the whole thread.

This and a number of reports from the 1990's about bin Laden and Iraq were in Time, Newsweek, ABC the Guardian among others. The Clinton administration cited weapons development cooperation between Iraq and al Qaeda in the bin Laden indictment.

But the MSM and libdems have never once commented on these sort of facts.

44 posted on 03/18/2006 9:34:21 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: KCRW
The fax comes from the vast collection of documents recovered in postwar Afghanistan and Iraq.

Why weren't these documents released three years ago? < /shaking head in disbelief>

45 posted on 03/18/2006 9:49:16 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: tallhappy

Clinton also Tomahawked the AL Shifa "Aspirin Factory" in Sudan because they had Intel that Iraqi scientists were delevoping WMD for Al Queda. Will Cohen (SECDEF) at the time, testified in front of the 911 Commission that he still believes the intel was solid.

The inept Republican PR machine will have to rewrite history now that the Dems have cast their lies in stone.


46 posted on 03/18/2006 9:50:59 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: KCRW
now how do we convince the MSM to print these documents?

If they do print them, it will be like this:

Excerpt from documents...

MSM approved explanation to tell you what to think about the excerpt.

Excerpt from documents...

MSM approved explanation to tell you what to think about the excerpt.

Excerpt from documents...

MSM approved explanation to tell you what to think about the excerpt.

Etc.

47 posted on 03/18/2006 9:56:19 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Why weren't these documents released three years ago?
/shaking head in disbelief


From last week or two:

On February 16, President George W. Bush assembled a small group of congressional Republicans for a briefing on Iraq.

"Yesterday, Mr. President, the war had its best night on the network news since the war ended," Pence said.

"Is this the tapes thing?" Bush asked

Pence framed his response as a question, quoting Abraham Lincoln: "One of your Republican predecessors said, 'Give the people the facts and the Republic will be saved.' There are 3,000 hours of Saddam tapes and millions of pages of other documents that we captured after the war. When will the American public get to see this information?"

Bush replied that he wanted the documents released. He turned to Hadley and asked for an update. Hadley explained that John Negroponte, Bush's Director of National Intelligence, "owns the documents" and that DNI lawyers were deciding how they might be handled.

Bush extended his arms in exasperation and worried aloud that people who see the documents in 10 years will wonder why they weren't released sooner. "If I knew then what I know now," Bush said in the voice of a war skeptic, "I would have been more supportive of the war."

Bush told Hadley to expedite the release of the Iraq documents. "This stuff ought to be out. Put this stuff out."

For months, Negroponte has argued privately that while the documents may be of historical interest, they are not particularly valuable as intelligence product. A statement by his office in response to the recordings aired by ABC said, "Analysts from the CIA and the DIA reviewed the translations and found that, while fascinating from a historical perspective, the tapes do not reveal anything that changes their postwar analysis of Iraq's weapons programs."

Officials involved with DOCEX--as the U.S. government's document exploitation project is known to insiders--tell The Weekly Standard that only some 3 percent of the 2 million captured documents have been fully translated and analyzed.

Perhaps anticipating the weakness of his "mere history" argument, Negroponte abruptly shifted his position last week. He still opposes releasing the documents, only now he claims that the information in these documents is so valuable that it cannot be made public. Negroponte gave a statement to Fox News responding to Hoekstra's call to release the captured documents. "These documents have provided, and continue to provide, actionable intelligence to ongoing operations. . . . It would be ill-advised to release these materials without careful screening because the material includes sensitive and potentially harmful information."

This new position raises two obvious questions: If the documents have provided actionable intelligence, why has the intelligence community exploited so few of them? And why hasn't Negroponte demanded more money and manpower for the DOCEX program?

Sadly, these obvious questions have an obvious answer. The intelligence community is not interested in releasing documents captured in postwar Afghanistan and Iraq. Why this is we can't be sure. But Pete Hoekstra offers one distinct possibility.

"They are State Department people who want to make no waves and don't want to do anything that would upset anyone," he says.

This is not idle speculation. In meetings with Hoekstra, Negroponte and his staff have repeatedly expressed concern that releasing this information might embarrass our allies.

Although Negroponte continues to argue against releasing the documents in internal discussions, on March 9, he approached Hoekstra with a counterproposal. Negroponte offered to release some documents labeled "No Intelligence Value," and indicated his willingness to review other documents for potential release, subject to a scrub for sensitive material.

And there, of course, is the potential problem. Negroponte could have been releasing this information all along, but chose not to. So, in a way, nothing really changes. Hoekstra is not going away. "We're going to ride herd on this. This is a step in the right direction, but I am in no way claiming victory. I want these documents out."

So does President Bush. You'd think that would settle it.
48 posted on 03/18/2006 9:59:05 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: syriacus
I think the libs must be noticing this trend of translations of documents showing that Saddam wanted WMD's and that he had connections with Al Qaeda. They won't admit it yet, of course. But, the facts must be gnawing away at the neatly arranged anti-war arguments in their tiny, tiny minds.

Here's the scene over at DU:


49 posted on 03/18/2006 10:06:12 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: KCRW; Admin Moderator
I don't know about you....but why can't we could have a link to all these articles being posted on the translation of the docs at the top as you open FR page to browse articles?
50 posted on 03/18/2006 10:08:08 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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