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Saddam's Philippines Terror Connection(Yes, Saddam financially supported terrorists)
Weekly Standard ^ | 03/18/2006 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 03/18/2006 5:58:16 AM PST by KCRW

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To: xzins

This is, indeed, treason. No other word describes it.

I would include, though, along with the MSM and the left, certain wobbly Republicans who think they can get mileage out of turning against the President and spouting the 'Rat party line.


101 posted on 03/19/2006 9:29:28 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: KCRW
Of course, we already knew that Saddam was in bed with Al Queda, now how do we convince the MSM to print these documents?

FR story relating to this...

US puts Iraqi documents on the Web ~ MSM acknowledges ...Goal is to speed up translation of files

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1598793/posts

102 posted on 03/19/2006 10:07:28 AM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: restornu
There is a book,:

Unholy Alliance : Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)

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And a review:

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Communism is dead. Long live Islam!, September 30, 2004

Reviewer: Kevin Beckman (Sacramento, CA) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)   
It sounds absurd: why would Leftists make common cause with a religion that is diametrically opposed to everything the Left stands for? David Horowitz explains that it is really quite logical given the Left's first principle: America is evil and anything or anyone opposed to America is good.

Part I of the book is a brief history of 9/11 through the end of major combat operations in Iraq, and the Left's behavior during this time. Horowitz includes the reaction of Katha Pollitt of The Nation magazine: "The flag stands for vengeance, and jingoism, and war." Anthropology Professor Nicholas De Genova of Columbia University said he hoped for "a million Mogadishus." His colleagues objected, not to the despicable sentiment, but because of the bad publicity it brought their "teach-in." Our tax dollars at work!

Part II is the heart of the book: a history of the American and international Left. Horowitz calls them Neo-Communists or Neocoms. The Neocoms of old believed in the Soviet Union the way religious people believe in God. Those who spied for the USSR didn't see themselves as traitors to their country, but rather loyalists to humanity and an ideal of America that's never existed. When the Soviet Union fell, a few of them stopped for some introspection but most pressed on as if nothing happened. Communist historian Eric Hobsbawm put it nicely: "Without the Revolution, my life and my work are meaningless."

Now that they no longer have to defend an indefensible regime, modern Neocoms are simply nihilists. They know what they oppose but they have no plans for the aftermath of the revolution which they still believe will happen. They don't know what they want, but they know what they hate: the United States, capitalism personified.

So why are they allying with radical Islam? Horowitz says that the Neocoms still believe in Marx's dictum that "religion is the opiate of the masses." Once private property is abolished, the need for religion will vanish, and Islamic radicals will stop being Islamic and radical. The only thing standing in the way is the United States.

Sound insane? It is. They are. I highly recommend this book. Horowitz makes the insanity understandable.

103 posted on 03/19/2006 12:22:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ezekiel CHAPTER 35

Judgment shall fall upon mount Seir and all Idumea for hatred of Israel.

1 MOREOVER the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,

3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.

4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.

5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:

6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.

7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.

8 And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.

9 I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:

11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.

12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.

13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.

14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.

15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.


104 posted on 03/19/2006 12:44:13 PM PST by restornu (Our blessing flow more when we as a nation murmur less!)
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To: highlander_UW
"MSM ...print"

There is little or no chance that any of these incriminating documents will ever be printed on most of the nation's rags. The biggest rag, The La Crosse (Wis) Tribune, in my part of the country is so left-wing it saw fit to print a guest editorial by Howard Zinn a few weeks ago. The paper was considered ultra-conservative when I was growing up in the sixties. Today it daily prints diatribes against the Bush admin by leftist columnists, letter writers, and even the editorial board. The news from Iraq always concentrates on the death toll never mentioning anything positive.

I would bet that most American papers were taken over by left-liberal sympathizers in the seventies and turned into scandal sheets for far-left nutjobs. They will never print the truth.

105 posted on 03/19/2006 1:13:00 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: P-40

I'm reading Jayna Davis's book now. Unbelievable. It certainly becomes clear why the 9-11 commission would only go back as far as 1996. They can't open THAT can of worms. Makes a lot of sense!


106 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:41 PM PST by Shelayne
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

ping


107 posted on 03/20/2006 8:37:58 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Liberals are like festering cysts. They must be lanced, drained, and removed.)
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To: fooman

It is truthaboveall.


108 posted on 03/20/2006 2:01:13 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Victor
Hmmmm.....Terry Nichols connection?


Easy there Victor...that horse is dead according to the clintons.
109 posted on 03/20/2006 2:05:49 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: MizSterious; shield; KCRW; Elsiejay; Mr. Buzzcut; fso301; Alamo-Girl; Tahoe3002; Valin; Victor; ...

Jayna Davis (Author of "The Third Terrorist") needs help. She received the following e-mail:

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:56 AM
Subject: Release of captured documents

>I imagine you've taken a look at the documents
> captured by the US military which were released
> yesterday by the Office of Joint Reserve Intelligence
> Center.
> > I've read a few, but there's one that might
> particularly interest you--the last one on the list,
> dated 2000 and titled "Various Administrative
> Documents and Questions, AFGP-2002-801138". It's sort
> of a grab-bag of information, but contains a bunch of
> questions alQaeda members asked their leaders,
> apparently before September 11, 2001. > > On the 43rd page, it reads:
> > "Q8- We hear about the Oklahoma explosion and that it
> is the largest explosion in America. Is it the one
> planned by Ramzi Yousef or not? (TC: This question
> was circled and marked with two (X) marks."
> > http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm#iraq
> > There may be many more fascinating tidbits buried in
> these documents, but this would seem to reinforce what
> you've been saying for so long.
> > Thanks for your careful research, and happy digging!

OK. Shortly after Jayna received this e-mail, the document was pulled from that site. But it can still be found at the following site:

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/aq_harmonylist.asp

Scroll down to:

Various Admin Documents and Questions
AFGP-2002-801138

Click on that link and go to the English link and find page 43 on the scroll bar (not page 43 of the document). You will find the following question:

"Q8-We hear about the Oklahoma explosion and that it is the largest explosion in America. Is it the one planned by Ramzi Yousef or not? (TC: This question was circled and marked with two (x) marks."

You will notice that the English translation is 57 pages long. You will then go to the Arabic link (right next to the English link). That link is 332 pages long so there must have been some heavy redaction because 332 pages of Arabic became 57 pages of English translation. Print off or go to page 191 of that part.

You will see the following in the middle of possibly a heavily redacted page:

Question
Ref.Oklahoma
Bombing, if
Done By Yousef
Ramzi-
EMPHASIZE
AFGP-2002-801138-007-0179


Please try to find out as much as you can about these documents before they are pulled. If anyone knows Arabic, (or knows someone who does), please go to the pages near the page 191 and see if you can find anything in Arabic that would be helpful. We need to do this before the document is pulled from this website.

Thanks Freepers


110 posted on 03/20/2006 2:59:16 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: jveritas

See post 110.


111 posted on 03/20/2006 3:36:39 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: fooman

I had to do some googling -- didn't know the name of that unit, but this interesting article dated 2002 came up by Gaffney:

Was Saddam the Man Behind McVeigh?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4688


112 posted on 03/20/2006 3:54:58 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Nancie Drew

Thanks


113 posted on 03/20/2006 3:56:50 PM PST by fso301
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To: Nancie Drew
Another question I have concerns The Complaint filed by Judicial Watch on behalf of OKC survivors. In the complaint, the following snippet caught my attention:

Plaintiffs assert that at some point in time Ramzi Youssef recruited a willing convert in the person of Terry Nichols who witnesses say went to the Philippines seeking technical help in learning to build a bomb. Meetings between Terry Nichols and Ramzi Youssef were witnessed by a Filipino government informant.

What is meant by that statement? Was Nichols a convert to mohammedanism?

Here's the Court Filing

114 posted on 03/20/2006 4:04:22 PM PST by fso301
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To: Nancie Drew; MizSterious; shield; KCRW; Elsiejay; Mr. Buzzcut; fso301; Alamo-Girl; Tahoe3002; ...
Actually, the 332 page arabic version is quite interesting as it's full of handwritten translator notes as well as a lot of printed english language material. Even if you don't know arabic, I think there is considerable value in reading through the arabic version. All that having been said, I don't know a single letter in arabic.
115 posted on 03/20/2006 4:49:58 PM PST by fso301
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To: Nancie Drew; MizSterious; shield; KCRW; Elsiejay; Mr. Buzzcut; fso301; Alamo-Girl; Tahoe3002

Most of the 332 pages from the arabic original appear to be blank pages from some sort of "daytimer" organizer.


116 posted on 03/20/2006 4:55:24 PM PST by fso301
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To: xzins
But, now it's been confirmed that Iraqi/Al Qaeda links are many and extensive.

The media has lied and Americans have died.

I am confused as to why this information was withheld from both the media and the public until now.

117 posted on 03/20/2006 4:57:37 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Nancie Drew
The translator inserted a page with handwritten notes between Pg190-193. The translators page appears to be an insert because it falls between Friday Aug 11, 2000 and Saturday Aug 12, 2000.

I think the actual arabic reference to OKC is on pg194

Scrolling down, whatever was written as the entry for Sat Sept 23, 2000 on pg226 was partially erased. Any arabic speakers out there, please take a close look at pg 226. If you need help enhancing the page, please say so.

What appears to be english language translator notes on pg230, Friday Sept 29, 2000 were partially erased.

More english notes from pg232-pg332. Seems that the final 100 pages was devoted to teaching the jihadis how to convert their raw footage of beheadings into wmv files for delivery to Al jazeera and uploading to websites. Last 100 pages is mostly about how to create and edit video clips and is in English.

118 posted on 03/20/2006 5:27:36 PM PST by fso301
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To: texasbluebell

If you read The Third Terrorist, you will see the connections, in Hussein Al Husanni (sp) and unit 999.


119 posted on 03/20/2006 5:56:11 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: livius

My exact thoughts!!!!!!


120 posted on 03/20/2006 6:19:23 PM PST by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: fso301

Thanks for the ping!


121 posted on 03/20/2006 10:02:13 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Doe Eyes

I've got link after link of confirming information from before these documents were released.

These documents are among those that have been found since the takeover of Iraq. My guess is that there is the stated reason and an unstated reason why they've been slow to release them.

For the record, they've said that translation is slow and there are millions of pages. That's true to a degree, and especially if someone insists on perfect translations.

Off the record, my bet is that they had to have some means of going over these for any information about chemical, nuclear, or biological LOCATIONS before they released them. It wouldn't help to let insurgents have access to documents detailing the location(s) of nuke, bio, or chemicals that had been hidden.


122 posted on 03/21/2006 5:05:54 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: fso301

Thanks for your information. Are you thinking the blank pages are just that and not redactions? I haven't researched the information about the release of the documents so I just assumed there were heavy redactions.

Also, I had never considered Terry Nichols a convert to Islam, so I am not sure why they used those words. No one really ever talked about him having any kind of religion until his jail house conversion to Christianity.

Thanks again for everything.


123 posted on 03/21/2006 7:30:05 AM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: fso301

Very interesting ;o)


124 posted on 03/21/2006 8:04:54 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: fso301
U.S. authorities later discovered that after the Boca Raton plant began operations in September 1989, a number of barrels of sodium cyanide were diverted from the plant. Seven barrels of the sodium cyanide – used to make hydrogen cyanide gas – were trucked from Florida to Houston, where Barbouti had a corporate headquarters for his U.S. operations. The seven barrels were then taken to Baltimore where they were shipped as the “personal effects” of a diplomat at the Iraqi Embassy in Washington, D.C. to the port of Aqaba, Jordan. From there, the cyanide was taken overland to Iraq. Other barrels of the sodium cyanide from the Boca Raton plant simply disappeared.

I remember that from years ago.....strange days indeed.
125 posted on 03/22/2006 9:49:57 AM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: fso301

Your excellent analysis is going to someone who does speak Arabic. Thanks again for all your help. There are some interesting things in these notes. Maybe someone is trying to help get the word out and is steering key people to the needle in the haystack.


126 posted on 03/22/2006 1:01:22 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew
Are you thinking the blank pages are just that and not redactions?

They looked like blank pages to me. Where pages had writing on them, the writing was handwritten and could have been compressed considerably. By not including the drawings and doodling, even greater levels of compression could have been achieved.

A couple of pages showed evidence of an eraser having been used. I do wonder what might have been on those few pages and who did the erasing.

127 posted on 03/22/2006 1:21:49 PM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

The new government way to redact pencil marks - erase it:)


128 posted on 03/23/2006 7:47:17 AM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Fedora; Howlin; Cindy

interesting article bump


129 posted on 05/22/2006 8:49:57 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: KCRW

I wonder if after the plot to bomb planes going from the UK to the US the public will pay attention?


130 posted on 08/10/2006 6:52:02 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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