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To: t2buckeye
I believe Clinton involved us and backed Kosovo thinking that he could appease the Islamic terrorists....it has of course done no such thing and has instead emboldened them. Another mess left over from the Clinton years.

I disagree.

I think it was a few related things.

First, Clinton absolutely did not want to have another Rwanda-type genocide on his hands, and the truth is that the recent history of the region was "in favor" of a real genocide taking place, if not nipped in the bud.

Second, Clinton's cynical side cannot be ignored: even if there wasn't a serious genocide going on, it would be good politics for him to act as if there were.

Finally, Clinton wanted to be known a Wartime President -- recall that he was legacy-building by this time. And thus Rambouillet Accords, especially Appendix B, confronted Slobbo with an ultimatum (occupation by NATO) that no country could accept.

35 posted on 03/18/2006 6:31:05 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

The reasons for going into the Balkans were fabricated to a certian extent. The murder of 8,000 Muslims in Srebincia didn't happen, the Rajak Massacre didn't happen, and the bombing at the market was done by the Muslims not the Serbs as later investigations have indicated. The U.S. Administration did want to appease the Muslims by siding with them, second, it was part of the overall strategy of the U.S./UN to break down the Balkans into pieces. We initially supported Milosevic in the 80's, while he was in New York. The CIA turned him from future Banker to politician. When he returned to Serbia he turned nationalist and separted from the U.S. influence. We imported Muzzies to the Balkans to fight with the Serbs and break up the Balkans. Murders by Serbian paramilitaries did occur, and they are being prosecuted. More than I can say for the ICTY......very poor conviction record. The Serbs on the other hand may be protecting some of the middle level policy commanders from prosecution.

Notice the dates and change of attitude...........

Holbrooke said the following:

Circa 1998:
There's a military insurrection that is taking shape, backed by the members of the Albania Diaspora in Germany, Switzerland, and right here in New York City, where a lot of Albanians and Albanian-Americans are sending a lot of money and support to Kosovo. (Gosh - NYC? -SG)

Holbrooke: An independent Kosovo would "unravel Southeastern Europe."

JIM LEHRER: And they want an independent Kosovo ruled by Albanians, right?

RICHARD HOLBROOKE: Yes. And more. I met with several Albanian leaders in Kosovo who said their goal is an independent Kosovo, their goal is to recreate the Greater Albania that existed briefly during the 30's and 40's, which includes Albania, Kosovo, and part of Macedonia. That, I can tell you, Jim, would unravel Southeastern Europe and dramatically increase the chances of a general war. And that's why the situation is both not the same as Bosnia and why it's so dangerous
I really need to stress this point so people do not misunderstand it. The Kosovo Albanians have been very badly treated for over a decade by the Serb minority in Kosovo. Their rights have been denied and the Yugoslav federal constitution was changed to reduce their powers. This was entirely wrong, and it led to the inevitable reaction which we're now seeing. At the same time, the violent solution which is being advocated by the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, which is really not an army but a lot of different groups that are gradually forming an infrastructure of resistance, this approach is highly dangerous to stability in the region.



Sept. 10, 2002

Cumberland, Md.: Where you aware of the KLA and Bosnian Muslims' ties to Osama bin Laden at the time you were negotiating with them?

Richard C. Holbrooke: Yes. In fact, we were so concerned about this issue that we wrote into the Dayton Peace Agreements a clause requiring the withdrawal of all "foreign elements" within a short time after the agreement took force. When we found elements that had remained behind, we launched raids against them. Not all of these people were removed,
and the effort is still continuing. Without the peace in Bosnia, there is a real chance that bin Laden would have been able to set up in the
Balkans what he did in Afghanistan with far greater danger to the West.

Now--fast-forward Nov 8 2005:

Holbrooke, the architect of the 1995 Bosnian peace deal, who said that independence was the only way forward for Kosovo and its mainly Muslim Albanians.
"I cannot see any final status for Kosovo other than independence," said Holbrooke, who forged the Dayton Peace Accords that ended Bosnia's 1992-95 war.
"But at the same time ... this cannot be achieved without ironclad guarantees for the safety, security, and protection of the rights of the Serbs who live in Kosovo and the protection of their magnificent monuments," he said.




******* Okay, now for the grand daddy of all moves by the
adminstration




Subject: Kosovo Independence and a new Initiative from the U.S.
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:34:13 -0800 (PST)

23/12/2005 Washington
Albanian Push for Kosovo

With negotiations on the final status of Kosovo set to begin in early January, Kosovo residents of Albanian origin and their friends in the United States have launched a campaign in Washington in favor of the territory's independence. An organization named Alliance for a New Kosovo was founded last month and is being run by two lobbyists from the American firm Jefferson Waterman. They are Samuel Hoskinson, former vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council and Kempton Jenkins, an ex deputy assistant secretary for East-West trade at the State Department. The organization has lined up a high-profile consultative council whose members include Frank
Carlucci, chairman of the Carlyle Group; lieutenant-general Robert Gard, former president of the National Defense University; William Edwin Ryerson, ex American ambassador to Albania; Walter Stadtler, who long handled European affairs for the U.S. delegation at the United Nations; Fred Fielding, who served as Ronald Reagan's lawyer; and William Walker, former chief of the OSCE's Kosovo Verification Mission. [From the French intel publication, Intelligence Online]


38 posted on 03/18/2006 6:42:13 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: r9etb
First, Clinton absolutely did not want to have another Rwanda-type genocide on his hands, and the truth is that the recent history of the region was "in favor" of a real genocide taking place, if not nipped in the bud."

OH, what BS!! You always post in favor of clinton... what are YOU on FR for except to support billy boy!!

Rwanda was STILL in turmoil while billy j was still President!!! He never did anything to help the Africans.

THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE IN KOSOVO EVER, EXCEPT WHEN THE SS NAZI ALBANIANS WERE KILLING OFF EVERY NON-ALBANIAN THEY COULD GET THEIR BLOOD COVERED HANDS ON DURING WWII.

TAKE YOUR SUPPORT FOR BILLY-J OVER TO THE DU. They would appreciate your concerns for poor billy-j's bombing innocent Christian folks in support of islamics!!

46 posted on 03/18/2006 7:18:46 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I am the more I want people to wake up and smell the coffee 'bout violent religions)
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To: r9etb

"First, Clinton absolutely did not want to have another Rwanda-type genocide on his hands, and the truth is that the recent history of the region was "in favor" of a real genocide taking place, if not nipped in the bud"

*****You have some interesting thoughts and may reflect a concern, however, this was not a direct reason. Intelligence indicated that a genocide was not taking place as the Clinton Administration had to fabricate the large numbers of those reported murdered as well, as fabricate the reasons for going in. The Muslims provoked many of the attacks and massacres that were blamed on the Serbs. We knew there wasn't a genocide going on, otherwise why engineer a false one?




"Second, Clinton's cynical side cannot be ignored: even if there wasn't a serious genocide going on, it would be good politics for him to act as if there were."

*****True, as not only was it good politics from the adminitration's point of view, but it completed the agenda of breaking down the Balkans.



"be known a Wartime President -- recall that he was legacy-building by this time. And thus Rambouillet Accords, especially Appendix B, confronted Slobbo with an ultimatum (occupation by NATO) that no country could accept."

***** I can't comment, but I do agree with the last sentence, as that was the trick.


87 posted on 03/19/2006 9:41:11 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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