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Montana To Minnesota Flight Ends In Crash In W.Va.
The Associated Press ^ | March 18, 2006 | AP

Posted on 03/18/2006 6:34:03 PM PST by Westlander

WINFIELD, W.Va. -- National Guard jets tried unsuccessfully to make contact with the pilot of a private plane Friday night before it crashed near a rural home in West Virginia.

The body of the pilot, the only person on board, was found in the wreckage. He's been identified as 56-year old William Cammack, of St. Paul, Minn.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Minnesota; US: Montana; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: f16; minnesota; montana; nationalguard; planecrash; wva
The F-16's were sent from Selfridge AFB in Michigan.
1 posted on 03/18/2006 6:34:11 PM PST by Westlander
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To: Westlander
Investigators don't know why the pilot strayed hundreds of miles off course or whether he was dead or alive on impact.

The guy was undoubtedly dead, and the plane possibly on autopilot. Plane prolly crashed when it ran out of gas.

2 posted on 03/18/2006 6:36:52 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Man, this sure sounds like the Payne Stewart incident all over again... his was the first time that a pressure valve ever failed.... hmmmmm

I guess we will have to see the details
Jim


3 posted on 03/18/2006 6:40:33 PM PST by bosshog
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To: r9etb

Newer Beech Barons have autopilot; you're probably right.


4 posted on 03/18/2006 6:45:49 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: r9etb

Not a flyer. Resultant question-are auto pilots interfaced with GPS these days? And #2, this sure seems a long way to scramble from Southeast Michigan.


5 posted on 03/18/2006 6:49:49 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander
Last nights' live thread:

Plane Crash Near Charleston, WV

6 posted on 03/18/2006 6:49:59 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: bosshog

Payne Stewart wasn't the first...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Rein


7 posted on 03/18/2006 6:52:48 PM PST by kms61
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To: Old Professer

So do older ones. The plane that crashed last night was built in 1968. Avionics upgrades, although expensive, don't require a lot of effort or modification.


8 posted on 03/18/2006 6:53:07 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Westlander

Sure they are.

But when you get near your destination, you have to "arm" the AP into "Approach mode."

Otherwise, you just keep on going. - The AP doesn't land the plane for you, at least not in General Aviation.


9 posted on 03/18/2006 6:57:10 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Westlander

Absolutely A/Ps are coupled to GPS. One can load a flightplan ito the box and the A/P will fly the route including turns (hands off). All the pilot has to do is manage fuel and talk on the radio. A Baron would be so equipped. A sobering thought is the pilot was the same age as me.


10 posted on 03/18/2006 7:07:32 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: r9etb

Plane prolly crashed when it ran out of gas.

This is prolly series. Prolly hugh!


11 posted on 03/18/2006 7:44:42 PM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: Westlander
The F-16's were sent from Selfridge AFB in Michigan.

That's Selfridge ANGB.

Selfridge ANGB, Mich. 48045-5046; 3 mi. NE of Mount Clemens. Phone: 586-307-4011; DSN 273-4011. Units: 127th Wing (ANG); 927th Air Refueling Wing (AFRC); Air Force, Army, Navy, and Marine Corps Reserve units; ARNG; US Coast Guard Air Station for Detroit. History: activated July 1917; transferred to Mich. ANG July 1971. Named for 1st Lt. Thomas E. Selfridge, killed Sept. 17, 1908, at Ft. Myer, Va., when airplane piloted by Orville Wright crashed. Area: 3,070 acres. Runway: 9,000 ft. Altitude: 580 ft. Full-time personnel: ANG, 454; AFRC, 247.

12 posted on 03/18/2006 9:10:37 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Well I got the A & B right. Just 'down the street' from http://www.magnaport.com/


13 posted on 03/18/2006 9:18:39 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander
Not a flyer. Resultant question-are auto pilots interfaced with GPS these days? And #2, this sure seems a long way to scramble from Southeast Michigan.

The interception was over Wisconsin. Almost on top of the ANG base, Truax Field, at Madison, WI. I suspect the Michigan unit had "the duty" for that region last night.

And yes autopilots can be tied into GPS these days, but they are often flown in a "heading hold" mode. Thus if he disconnected the autopilot to make a turn towards St. Paul, and then re engaged it before falling victim to whatever he fell victim to (hypoxia, heart attack, stroke, etc) the autopilot would have flown that heading until the aircraft ran out of fuel.

14 posted on 03/18/2006 9:20:02 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Thanks !


15 posted on 03/18/2006 9:23:43 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; DAVEY CROCKETT; WestCoastGal; justche

Ping.


16 posted on 03/18/2006 9:52:07 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (TODAY WOULD BE A GOOD DAY FOR LOTS OF HEAVY PRAYING, THE WORLD NEEDS YOUR PRAYERS.)
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To: El Gato

good job cat.


17 posted on 03/19/2006 2:43:50 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: GW and Twins Pawpaw

"Absolutely A/Ps are coupled to GPS. One can load a flightplan ito the box and the A/P will fly the route including turns (hands off). All the pilot has to do is manage fuel and talk on the radio. A Baron would be so equipped."

Flat-out wrong. Maybe it was so equipped. Maybe it wasn't. A Baron is not a Citation -- this Baron could have had any particular level of avionics since 1968. An autopilot slaved to a GPS is a popular option -- but absolutely not all-pervasive. I know. My Beechcraft does NOT have its autopilot (S-Tec 50) slaved to its Garmin GPS.


18 posted on 03/19/2006 2:57:10 AM PST by Poundstone
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To: Westlander

Come to think of it...did they ever find that (I think) A-10 packing live missles that went off course during a training mission over the Rockies? It happened like 7-10 years ago.


19 posted on 03/19/2006 3:04:02 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: WKUHilltopper

http://www.slate.com/default.aspx?id=2669


20 posted on 03/19/2006 8:16:04 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander
Minnesota man whose plane crashed was part of air patrol
21 posted on 03/19/2006 9:13:33 AM PST by lunarbicep (Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain)
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To: Poundstone

Why not? I had my Northstar GPS coupled to the Century III onboard my Bellanca. I could switch input to the autopilot from heading to either VOR or the GPS. While your assertion that a Baron might not be equipped with GPS is not all pervasive, it certainly is a good bet to assume it was on board and capable of providing guidance through whatever flavor of A/P that was installed. I cannot think of one good reason why I would have an IFR GPS NOT capable of coupling to the A/P. Do you have a reason this would be so? I would also think an aircraft in the Baron's class would also be equipped with a flight director.


22 posted on 03/19/2006 9:41:52 AM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: WKUHilltopper

Yes they found the wreckage nearly nine years ago, about three weeks after Button and his A-10 disappeared. The four Mk 82 bombs, not missiles, he was carrying were never found.


23 posted on 03/19/2006 8:32:44 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: GW and Twins Pawpaw

Why not?

Simple: money.

It costs money to slave the autopilot to the GPS. Depending on your routine missions, you may not wish to spend the money. I don't. I just keep the heading bug on the course the GPS gives me, and that does the trick.

I assume you know enough about flying not to assert that not slaving the two amounts to a "safety lapse" or some such thing.


24 posted on 03/19/2006 10:57:22 PM PST by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone

No, you got me there. I'm just a wannabe flyer. I got right up to soloing but just couldn't do it. I made up all that stuff I wrote in the other post.


25 posted on 03/20/2006 4:55:16 AM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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