To leave Iraq with honor

Tribune-Review ^ | March 19, 2006 | Salena Zito

[NorthEasterner]

To leave Iraq with honor By Salena Zito TRIBUNE-REVIEW Sunday, March 19, 2006

How do you rebuild Iraq while dodging improvised explosive devices?

Very carefully. But also very resolutely.

[bybybill]

Got to wonder how different this war would have been if every American really knew the truth about Vietnam and what happened after we left and what caused us to go.
My kids know, do yours?

[zarf]

We shouldn;t of been in Nam in the first place.

We helped to destabilize Cambodia which was one of the factors in allowing the Khamer to do what they did.

Nam was a civil war. The Viets were not going to accept foreigners on their soil; French American or otherwise.

[SteveMcKing]

I believe 'shock and awe' has proven to be equivalent to the threatened "time out" allotted to brats who maim innocent bystanders with a sledge hammer while their parents stifle a laugh because they think that it's cute.

It is also derivative of premature dreams of the Singularity - analagous to "globalism" (and certainly a failed Holy Grail of a misguided minority membership within the American Right) - that state of rapid advancement through network principles and supposedly inevitable technological breakthroughs. While zero-casualty wars have not been promised, they are fully hoped for and practically assumed by most Americans. (When this myth fails, lawyers become wealthy. That's no accident.)

In any event, the embracing of a brave new world necessarily means rejecting the brave old one -- that is: natural models of the family, local statehood, limited government, and all of the truly conservative ideals that ensure sustained survival. The belief that advancement is inherently good and certain (if only for its own sake) is an assumption made by progressives.

Ie. liberals. Ie. neoconservatives. Ie. communists.

"But the world has changed, and we must recognize this!"

No. Nothing changes, and Conservatism is not in its death-throws. We are merely returning to our natural state, which is a normally painful process only made tortuous by those who deny humanity for their own demonic visions of grandeur.

That Jihadists and other radicals would now capitalize on our troubles was, to say the least, predictable. But who listens to, let alone votes for, true conservatives....

[Exton1]

You are WRONG!
You better read up on your history from sources other than the NY Times. Nam was not a civil war, it was a war of Communist and part of the plane to take over all of Asia. Because we fought for 10 years we allowed many, but not all, of the countries in the area to stabilize and keep the communist out. Also you seem to have missed the 1 million to 3 million murders of Vietnamese AFTER the war by the communist. Who persecuted all business people which lead the country to be in a starvation mode until the min 1990’s. It was not till the people complained that the communist government started to ease up, and to start actually encourage evil capitalism. When the old jungle fighter finally die, the country may start to become more democratic.

[zarf]

My point being we failed to understand the country and the people on who's soil we were on in Nam.

We rarely see the battlefield from the eyes of our enemies. It'a bad habit this country has.

Nam was a mistake.

[CBart95]

The persistence of the notion of "leaving" Iraq continues by this rabble of liberal crybabies who have fixated on the myth that there is some resemblance of Iraq to Vietnam. ( there is none whatsoever, but don't waste your time on these sheep.)

Of course the insinuation that the terms "with honor" and all the pregnant implied indictments of a less than honorable original enterprise need no explanation.

Even though it has been expressly stated that there is no defined plan for ever exiting Iraq in any foreseeable future, these "crybabies" persist in their childish obsession of some "retreat" from that theatre of operation by our Coalition in some form of ignominious
humiliation. Not going to happen.

Meantime, in anticipation of even further future defeats, these dreamers are formulating future tirades built around the ridiculous notion that "We brought all this calumny on ourselves". It's reassuring, at least, to know that these idle minds are 'keeping busy".

[Jacquerie]

The first mistake was that we did not fight to win. The second mistake was allowing the rat party to abandon our ally, the South Vietnamese. The pig Kennedy and other rats have the blood of the killing fields on their hands.