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Port decision won't put U.S. in a safe harbor
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | March 19, 2006 | MARK STEYN

Posted on 03/19/2006 4:02:20 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

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To: G.Mason
It may not be the case in your situation but in Texas we have for years had MUDs (Municipal Utility Districts) which began as ways for developers to build streets, utilities, etc., in new subdivisions they built. They are, in fact, small government agencies with the authority to tax.

The usual ploy is for a developer to buy land, move a few friends onto the land who live in trailers, incorporate, have a vote and decide to form a utility district and elect each other officers of the new "government". They then issue bonds, borrow money, or whatever, and build a subdivision.

Just as with many homeowners associations, the monthly costs start out low and then increase. They basically own you. Your choice is to pay or move.

If a person has a functioning well and septic systems, why fix what is not broke?
21 posted on 03/19/2006 3:10:53 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Re: MUD

That was interesting. In fact I did an online search and Texas realtors seem to be advising prospective customers, who may not be aware, about MUD.


We, here in Florida, don't seem to have that situation. We have retirees (I am also retired) who are acustomed to having every utility supplied by city "officials" and feel that they are being badly done to should they actually have to become their own water company.

They don't mind paying per gallon for water in, and paying even more for water used. And God forbid they learn the operation of a water treatment system, and the hour or so per month it takes to keep it functioning.

The sad thing is eventually I will be forced to pay for sewer and water hook up, because the majority want to be "hands off" and "yoked up".




23 posted on 03/20/2006 4:00:50 AM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: willstayfree
I'm not afraid to take a stand for self sufficiency.

I am about as self sufficient as one can get in America. I rely on no government job or benefit. I rely on no one else for a job. I rely only on my own education and ability to conduct trade with others and manage my own affairs. I rely on America to remain free without political agenda and protectionism that would restrict my self sufficiency.

You obviously are willing to compromise America's principles for oil and other goods. I'm not.

You oviously don't know what you are talking about. What American principals have I compromised? What are Americas principles?

I served and fought for America to keep it free. Nothing else!!!My son is in his third combat action and will be home from Iraq in 43 days. He served to keep America free. Nothing else!!!!!

I lived in this country when gas was rationed at 4 gals. a month and other goods were restricted. We did well then and and will do so again if necessary.

Nor would I care about your supposed America's principles. It is your idea of principles that you seek to preserve and impose on others.

We can beat this dependency but only if we act.

What dependency, and what act are you proposing. What actions are you taking.

And after we solve the problem we will regain our former strength in the world.

Whats the problem? A changing world that you do not want to accept. Regaining a former strength would be less than our strength today.

Energy and economic Independence is worth fighting for!

Energy and economic Independence is accomplished by the individuals right of freedom to pursue a course of energy and economic independence. Not restrictions by your principals and politicians. Just who is it that you would fight that would insure energy and economic independence?

24 posted on 03/20/2006 7:24:23 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: willstayfree
You obviously don't get it! Why do we need to jeopardize our security and have a foreign government (or company) manage the ports of another country? It's just foolish. That is why it was stopped. And I'm am sick and tired of you people who claim to be patriotic Americans selling our sovereignty out to the highest bidder. I'm starting to think of you people as the enemy!

I get it very well. I never claimed to be a patriotic American selling out our sovereignty to the highest bidder. Its your opinion void of fact and knowledge. What security was compromised? Those that examined security found no such threat.

Name one country or company, American or foreign who has ever managed or proposed management of our ports. Name one port ever sold.

You simply do not know how ports work and rather than learn you would make up a opinion. You are your own enemy, you restrict yourself by your opinion.

26 posted on 03/20/2006 9:00:58 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: G.Mason
I used to sell large industrial (millions of gallons per day) water treatment systems. We were used primarily for systems that took water from rivers and lakes to use as super clean process water for high pressure boilers, etc., and Florida was not an especially good market for us because nearly everyone, including industry, was on well water.

If you are forced onto a system you may still decide to stay with your well, depending on maintenance and treatment costs, because the sewer cost is often directly tied to your water usage as metered by the city. Of course, government may have decided on a minimum to eliminate that.
27 posted on 03/20/2006 9:05:27 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
"If you are forced onto a system you may still decide to stay with your well, depending on maintenance and treatment costs, because the sewer cost is often directly tied to your water usage as metered by the city. "


Several years ago there was a vote, set up by the county, and for our division only. The majority vote (we were advised in writing) would become final.

The vote was 2 to 1 against.

The county then offered those who wanted water service, on specific blocks, the service. The cost was over $4,000 per, plus hook up fees.


They obviously are not going to let this lay, and are going to keep proposing to vote on it until they get it passed. Much like they do with amendments.

Should it pass, I will have no options but to scrap my water system and take the government mandated water. By law the well will be mandated to only be for irrigation purposes.

My only recourse would be to move to a more rural area, which I will do.




28 posted on 03/20/2006 9:22:41 AM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: G.Mason
My only recourse would be to move to a more rural area, which I will do.

Other than the Everglades, that is getting harder to find in Florida. Even then the government will seek you out with their evil water lines. :-)

29 posted on 03/20/2006 9:31:37 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The only thing more pathetic and embarassing than that whole Dubai debacle, is that these CLOWNS continue to push it.


31 posted on 03/22/2006 11:11:50 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: willstayfree

Your shortsided and EXTREEMLY myopic perspective would be VERY harmful to the security of our country.


32 posted on 03/22/2006 11:15:25 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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