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Creationist draws large crowd
York Daily Record (York, PA) ^ | 18 March 2006 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 03/19/2006 2:28:32 PM PST by Greg o the Navy

Mar 18, 2006 — In a back row of a packed auditorium, seventh-grader Matt Frysinger and his two friends each sat with a skateboard positioned vertically between their knees and the floor. The boys had been skating in the area when they saw a sign promoting a "Creation Seminar" outside Dover Area High School.

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To: Californiajones
Crow Creation Story

In the beginning, Old Man Coyote stood alone with water surrounding him. Two ducks swam by, and Coyote asked if they had seen anyone else. The ducks said no but thought that something might exist under the water.

Coyote asked if they would travel underwater for him and report on what they saw. The ducks did as they were asked, finding nothing. He asked again, and the ducks returned with a root. On the third try, they found mud and Coyote was happy. He told the ducks that they could build with it, and he began to shape and mold the mud into an island. He blew on it, and it expanded. He blew again, and it grew into the earth. The ducks said they did not like the earth's emptiness, so Coyote created grass and trees out of the roots that came from the water.

Coyote and the ducks loved the earth, but it was flat. They wanted rivers, valleys, mountains, and lakes. So it was done. Soon Coyote and the ducks made a perfect earth, but they grew lonely, with only the three of them to sit and enjoy the land. So Coyote molded dirt to form men and then more mud to create many types of male ducks. Soon, they realized that without women, the males could not have children. So with more dirt he made women and female ducks to populate the earth.

One day Old Man Coyote traveled upon the land and was surprised to find another Coyote. When asked where he came from, the younger brother, named Shirape, said he was unsure of his origin and only knew he existed. As the two traveled along, Shirape wanted Old Man Coyote to make other animals, for only ducks, humans, and the two Coyotes had been created. The elder Coyote agreed, and as he spoke the new animals' names, they were created. He said "Elk" and an elk appeared. He said "Bear" and a bear appeared. This is how it was until all animals were created.


101 posted on 03/19/2006 7:11:28 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
. It has never been shown ANYWHERE where usefull DNA is GAINED and results in an improvement. And there never will be.

Tell that to someone who survived malaria because he carried (was heterozygous for) the sickle cell gene. Sure sounds like useful DNA to have if you're planning to live in central Africa.

102 posted on 03/19/2006 7:39:19 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: jennyp
Then I'm sure you can tell us which of the transitional fossils that keep getting posted in these threads are really just old apes & which are just old humans.

ROTFL. Not a single one of that impressive looking collection is a proven transitional fossil. Not one. How do I know this? Because there ARE NO PROVEN TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS that show an ape-to-man transition. None. It was the huge glaring hole in Darwinism according to Darwin, and it's the huge glaring hole today. A tiny skull or jawbone fragment is found somewhere and then "extrapolated," or there's no mention of the fact that similar ape/monkey/chimp skulls still exist in today's living species, or among today's human population.

Your entire collection of skulls is smoke and mirrors, and the bottom line is this: For the (probably small percentage of) authentic/accurately depicted skulls in that collection, each of them is either ape/monkey/whatever, or it's human. Anything else is purest conjecture based not on scientific evidence, but on a starting point that assumes Darwinistic evolution as a baseline, not a finding.

If any one of those skulls constituted solid proof, the evolutionists would parade it around the world ad nauseum. They don't because everytime you dig just beneath the surface of these "transitional fossils," they're quickly revealed to be scientifically laughable. Then a new element of the theory is quickly hatched to replace that which was considered gospel yesterday.

Sad truth: The evolutionists of today were clearly described and predicted a couple thousand years ago. They are the prophesied scoffers, people who choose to be willfully ignorant of the obvious truths about them. They drag out a bunch of conjecture, speculation, and tissue-thin "evidence" created by ever-fallible man over the past 150 years, and have the absurd gall to spit in the face of the God who made them.

Over and out.

MM

103 posted on 03/19/2006 7:44:06 PM PST by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: MississippiMan; jennyp

So which ones are apes and which ones are people?


104 posted on 03/19/2006 7:47:03 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Greg o the Navy
"Actually, what he's saying is true," his brother, Chris Frysinger, 15, said of Hovind's lecture. "He knows what he's talking about. You can hear it in his voice."

Famous last words.

I've often said that ID and creationism should be studied in rhetoric class.

105 posted on 03/19/2006 7:55:17 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Coyoteman

Sorry, but you certainly are not a scientist. Your shameless promotion of evolution philosophy proves that.


106 posted on 03/19/2006 7:55:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Bismark; Greg o the Navy; Aetius; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; Asphalt; Aussie Dasher; Baraonda; ...
"A word of advise: don't bother getting into the mud with them..."

That's about the best term I've heard yet to describe an attempt to have an honest debate with one of those deceivers. Evolution: Mud philosophy.

107 posted on 03/19/2006 7:59:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: b_sharp

The mutation that caused feline leukemia virus to infect dogs is an example of a useful mutation.


108 posted on 03/19/2006 8:06:03 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: jennyp
"which of the transitional fossils that keep getting posted in these threads are really just old apes & which are just old humans."

Easy for most of them. A through I are clearly apes of one sort or another, since they have absolutely nothing in common with humans, While J,K, M and N are essentially skull shapes that are found in many people living today. When Duane Gish's skull is dug up some day, he'll definately be grouped with 'cromagnon.' ;o)

109 posted on 03/19/2006 8:16:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Greg o the Navy
"DU trolls note: It's nice to see an event that drives the Darwinists, secular humanists, ACLU and the liberals under their respective slimy rocks."

You forgot to include a large number of Free Republic members and their own slimy rock.

It defies logic why Creationists equate belief in the fact of evolution with liberalism.

And, as Patrick Henry correctly warns, and as witnessed by the demise of the Dover School Board creationist majority, fanatical adherence to Creationism will eventually cost the GOP elections.

110 posted on 03/19/2006 8:16:55 PM PST by DaGman
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To: fabian

1) That was a nice little dance around my question.

2) Fossils aren't easy to find, nor do they just happen to be scattered everywhere. It takes a right amount of circumstances to create them in the first place, which is why there aren't "millions of them".

Now, would you kindly answer my question?


111 posted on 03/19/2006 8:22:34 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: MississippiMan

Every fossil is a transitional fossil.


112 posted on 03/19/2006 8:26:00 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: Greg o the Navy
People are getting fed up with evolution thrust down their throats. When scrutinized it doesn't stand up.

If circular reasoning is okay with you as "objective" science then by all means believe in evolution which has no evidence to support it.

I am particularly amused by the use of "index fossils" for dating. If something is found it is compared to an existing fossil already "dated". So from the standpoint of an evolutionist, with the earth being millions or is it now billions of years old, the point of reference will always be old. It's circular reasoning with a predetermined outcome - that's NOT science nor is it "objective". When you delve further and examine the flawed dating methods, it's no wonder they don't want to have their "methods" highlighted since they are NOT consistent. They try to use the PRESENT to determine the PAST taking into account NO cataclysmic events - which is sheer lunacy!

The bottom line is this, knowledge is readily available and people are not so gullible as to believe in evolution. There are still a few out there that possess common sense and critical thinking skills and rightfully questioning the flawed hypothesis of evolutionists. This outrages evolutionists. They've become little gods. People are not finding their hypothesis to reveal truth.

113 posted on 03/19/2006 8:27:06 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: nmh

Mr. Hovind sounds -- from this story -- like a lightweight. But getting a crowd of 600 for anything conservative is impressive. Also, kudos to the organizers for holding it in the public high school. Exactly the kind of move we need to make!


114 posted on 03/19/2006 8:31:02 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: editor-surveyor; betty boop; hosepipe; TXnMA
Concerning certain issues believers have no questions and scientists have no answers.

When both sides are able to identify and agree to those issues, the debate can be quite interesting (IMHO).

115 posted on 03/19/2006 9:30:32 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Californiajones
To all Evos -- you've got a ghost in the room. A Holy Ghost. Act accordingly.


116 posted on 03/19/2006 9:36:11 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: editor-surveyor
That's about the best term I've heard yet to describe an attempt to have an honest debate with one of those deceivers. Evolution: Mud philosophy.

Mud philosophy? Its science, perhaps you don't have that in the 1400's where you live.

117 posted on 03/19/2006 9:47:25 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Stunned, he asked: "What do you call your act?" "The Aristocrats!")
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placemarker


118 posted on 03/19/2006 9:55:01 PM PST by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry
My dogs use the same method as Hovind's audience. They can tell from my tone of voice whether I'm serious or not.

I suggest you take the following test

119 posted on 03/19/2006 10:08:47 PM PST by Hacksaw (Seattle fans are the new "Gorons")
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To: Hacksaw

Your test doesn't come back with any results for me. I suspect they don't appreciate my sense of humor.


120 posted on 03/19/2006 10:12:49 PM PST by js1138
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