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Plight Deepens for Black Men, Studies Warn [More black drop outs in prison than working]
NY Times Editorial ^ | March 20, 2006 | Erik Eckholm

Posted on 03/19/2006 9:12:59 PM PST by summer

BALTIMORE — Black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics,...

Focusing more closely than ever on the life patterns of young black men, the new studies, by experts at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions, show that the huge pool of poorly educated black men are becoming ever more disconnected from the mainstream society, and to a far greater degree than comparable white or Hispanic men.

...These were among the recent findings:

The share of young black men without jobs has climbed relentlessly...dropouts....

Incarceration rates climbed in the 1990's and reached historic highs in the past few years....

In the inner cities, more than half of all black men do not finish high school.

...According to census data, there are about five million black men ages 20 to 39 in the United States.

Terrible schools, absent parents, racism, the decline in blue collar jobs and a subculture that glorifies swagger over work have all been cited as causes of the deepening ruin of black youths. ..

Joseph T. Jones, director of the fatherhood and work skills center here, puts the breakdown of families at the core.

"Many of these men grew up fatherless, and they never had good role models," said Mr. Jones, who overcame addiction and prison time. "No one around them knows how to navigate the mainstream society."...


All the negative trends are associated with poor schooling...

...Among black dropouts in their late 20's, more are in prison on a given day — 34 percent — than are working — 30 percent ......

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: black; blackfamily; blackmales; blackmen; blamewhitey; fatherlesschildren
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Very interesing article, and very sad. Black boys are often the hardest to teach, too, even in elementary school. They just see no connection whatsoever between school and their lives. And, very few of them have fathers or male relatives in or near the home.
1 posted on 03/19/2006 9:13:07 PM PST by summer
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And, yet, ironically -- I think today we have more black men making it bigtime in Hollywood and in the music industry than ever before. Hello out there, ever think of helping your "brothers"??? (Maybe if you stopped singing about whores and pimps for a minute, you could do something really worthwhile for these black men...)


2 posted on 03/19/2006 9:15:00 PM PST by summer
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To: summer

This was a good article. It was not, however, an "editorial."


3 posted on 03/19/2006 9:17:58 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: All

BTW, in my post #1 , I am not talking about all black boys -- I am sure Obama Barak's Harvard educated parents were on him about school all the time; I am talking about some of the inner city black boys in public schools.


4 posted on 03/19/2006 9:19:04 PM PST by summer
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To: LK44-40

I know it is not an editorial! I never said it was.


5 posted on 03/19/2006 9:19:34 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
"Very interesing article, and very sad. Black boys are often the hardest to teach, too, even in elementary school. They just see no connection whatsoever between school and their lives. And, very few of them have fathers or male relatives in or near the home."

A lot of that may have to with economics. In Buckhead where I went to school there wasn't any educational difference between the black students and the white students.
6 posted on 03/19/2006 9:20:09 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: gondramB

Yes, you could be right about that. I was actually talking about one specific segment of black boys I have seen.


7 posted on 03/19/2006 9:21:07 PM PST by summer
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To: gondramB

Also see my post #4.


8 posted on 03/19/2006 9:21:37 PM PST by summer
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To: summer

Thanks, I had missed that one.


9 posted on 03/19/2006 9:22:31 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: LK44-40

Re your post #3 - Yes, I see what you mean now -- it came up as "editorial" in the link, but that was a mistake. I know it is not an editorial. Sorry about that link coming up like that!


10 posted on 03/19/2006 9:22:52 PM PST by summer
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To: summer

I wonder how much concern there is for the victims of these Black Men, many of them Black themselves.


11 posted on 03/19/2006 9:23:54 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

And those victims include -- more black kids without fathers in the home. It's like an endless cycle.


12 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:45 PM PST by summer
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To: summer

life is a bit od a race and the ones with their waist bands down around their knees are just not going to make it.


13 posted on 03/19/2006 9:29:22 PM PST by zipp_city
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To: zipp_city

But you see --- they look at the black men making millions and that's how they dress. So, they think: that's the way to go.


14 posted on 03/19/2006 9:30:42 PM PST by summer
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To: zipp_city

You know, I like to think of myself as being able to find something of value in all kinds of music, but, truly, I just hate rap and hip hop for the most part. I jsut hate it. I think nothing good has come from the vast majority of those lyrics. Yes, it made millions for the creators and performers, and yes, it gave some jobs to people, and yes, it's a means of expression -- but all the violence and hopelessness in those lyrics are imprinted on the brains of these young black boys. Just terrible.


15 posted on 03/19/2006 9:32:32 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Without sounding like a shill for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, I'll dare to consider this from a different perspective...

Let's say that you are not an intellectual giant, in fact, you barely squeak through high school. Maybe not even that. Forget about race for now, just look at the eduacation aspect. You aren't one of those folks who are going to start their own business, you are just a real "average joe. 30 years ago, you could certainly find work in a factory of some sort. Folks with that 'gearhead' mindset would end up in some sort of machine shop or something involving steel. Not quite up to that level? Well, somebody needs to assemble Barbie dolls, right?

Ah, but this is the 21st century! There are good jobs if you know technology and you job hasn't been outsourced to India yet. There are plenty of jobs working at Wal-Mart, but they pay like the bumper sticker, "Low Wages...Always".

Okay, what about jobs for the remanining what, 30% of society who don't have software development kung fu skills, but who are certainly more skilled than a Wal-Mart clerk? In our enlightened society that has embraced the "Cheapest price rules" mindset, we've shipped away all the jobs for which the "average joes" were perfectly suited. Auto mechanic? Not any more, with the complexity of cars these days. Construction? Sure, but the constructin field goes through some pretty nasty boom/bust cycles. There just aren't a lot of average jobs anymore!

16 posted on 03/19/2006 9:32:39 PM PST by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: summer

People live the way the want to live, if you are in a gang infested sewer you can just walk away.

I wont spend one more dime to help anyone that doesn't want to help themselves.

Skin tone has nothing to do with it, if anyone wants to live like that its just peachy with me.


17 posted on 03/19/2006 9:33:15 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: summer

The welfare state has destroyed the black family. Also, doing well in school incurs the wrath of other blacks with accusations of "acting white". The "gangsta" culture glorifies failing in school, not working, being a violent thug, etc. Until "black leaders" quit whining about whitey holding them down, and focus on the real problems, blacks in this country will continue to be marginalized until they are totally inconsequential as contributors to society. Escaping from the democrat plantation would be a good first step.


18 posted on 03/19/2006 9:36:17 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free
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To: boycottliberalhollywood.com

Yes, that's one part of it -- the article mentions that, too (the loss of manufacturing jobs). But, here's another part you have to consider: white and Hispanic men do not have the same problems at the same rates as black men.
Black men bear a lot of children out of wedlock, and now, with stricter child support laws, the article explains how these black men, already absent from the home where their children are being raised, see any kind of legitimate work as coming with a "tax" of child support payments. So, they avoid it. Which leads them into more problems.


19 posted on 03/19/2006 9:36:21 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
More black drop outs in prison than working

Not a very well paying job at about .25/hour.

20 posted on 03/19/2006 9:36:37 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I think that is the crux of the issue: the total destruction of the black family in this country. Bill Cosby and others who have spoken out about this need to keep speaking out about it.


21 posted on 03/19/2006 9:37:30 PM PST by summer
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To: Scotsman will be Free

BTW, again, I was talking about some black families, not all. And, BTW, I agree with the rest of your post, too.


22 posted on 03/19/2006 9:38:17 PM PST by summer
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To: summer

After all of the analysis is over, the end result will be the same, it's everything and everybodys fault but their own.


23 posted on 03/19/2006 9:39:08 PM PST by A6M3
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To: Beagle8U

Well, it might not be so "peachy" with you if and when you ever become a crime victim of one of these black male drop outs, not that I am wishing that on you.


24 posted on 03/19/2006 9:39:25 PM PST by summer
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To: A6M3

Actually, the article quotes some older black men who see things differently now, and realize they themselves made some very poor choices.


25 posted on 03/19/2006 9:40:33 PM PST by summer
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To: A6M3

But, it's too bad that wisdom is not filtering down to the younger black men on their way to fathering a kid out of wedlock or dropping out of school or joining a gang.


26 posted on 03/19/2006 9:41:18 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Yep. And the poverty pimps excuse the resultant crime spree from young black males by blaming it on "racism."

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

27 posted on 03/19/2006 9:44:12 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: summer

One word

Liberia


28 posted on 03/19/2006 9:44:19 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (Islam Schmislam blahblahblah, enough already!)
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To: summer

I wont be living in a crime infested sewer, so I wont worry about those that wish to.

Color has nothing to do with their life choices, the blacks that live around here are no different than anyone else.

There are people of all skin tones living around my area, none live like that.


29 posted on 03/19/2006 9:46:03 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: summer

The ironic thing is, black males are more influential on popular culture than any other "ethnic" group. Has been this way since the days of the Cakewalk.


30 posted on 03/19/2006 9:46:07 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: summer
Black men bear a lot of children out of wedlock, and now, with stricter child support laws, the article explains how these black men, already absent from the home where their children are being raised, see any kind of legitimate work as coming with a "tax" of child support payments. So, they avoid it. Which leads them into more problems.

Problems of their own making. Any person that would shun legitimate work because they will then have take personal responsibility to support the very children that they brought into this world, doensn't deserve anything.
31 posted on 03/19/2006 9:47:56 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: summer
Black men bear a lot of children out of wedlock, and now, with stricter child support laws, the article explains how these black men, already absent from the home where their children are being raised, see any kind of legitimate work as coming with a "tax" of child support payments. So, they avoid it. Which leads them into more problems.

Problems of their own making. Any person that would shun legitimate work because they will then have take personal responsibility to support the very children that they brought into this world, doesn't deserve anything.
32 posted on 03/19/2006 9:48:14 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: summer
And, yet, ironically -- I think today we have more black men making it bigtime in Hollywood and in the music industry than ever before. Hello out there, ever think of helping your "brothers"??? (Maybe if you stopped singing about whores and pimps for a minute, you could do something really worthwhile for these black men...)

There are thousands of blacks who do sing about positive and uplifting things. The problem is that people seem to prefer pimps, ho's and gangsta's. It's just pearls before swine. They'd rather have Jerry Springer than Shakespeare.

33 posted on 03/19/2006 9:52:38 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: summer
I was watching Extreme Makeover Home Edition tonight. It was about a fellow from Jamaica who lived in Florida. The poor guy has cancer bless his heart. His kids were very well spoken and very bright. None of them said "axed" or "see what I'm saying" or spoke like many other blacks shown on TV do.

I'm not saying blacks speak that way. I've known a lot of people that happen to be black and none of them speak like they are from the inner city. It just struck me that for a change the "black kids" on this TV show tonight were extremely well spoken. I liked seeing that for a change instead of the bad characterization of blacks on TV that seems to be the norm.

34 posted on 03/19/2006 9:57:47 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Jack Bauer: "By the time I'm finished with you you're going to wish you felt this good again".)
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To: summer
Well, it might not be so "peachy" with you if and when you ever become a crime victim of one of these black male drop outs, not that I am wishing that on you.

No need to worry, an islamic fanatic will probably beat the young black buck to the target.

35 posted on 03/19/2006 10:02:27 PM PST by TexKat
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To: isthisnickcool
"axed" or "see what I'm saying"

I think it is pronounced "seemsane".

36 posted on 03/19/2006 10:11:25 PM PST by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: summer

Reply to post 25 & 26: When blacks start hanging out on street corners looking for work rather than selling dope and whores, I'd say they may have taken their first step on the proverbial journey of a thousand miles, out of the abyss.


37 posted on 03/19/2006 10:12:56 PM PST by A6M3
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To: boycottliberalhollywood.com
You aren't one of those folks who are going to start their own business

My father never graduated from high school, and is not the intellectual type at all, but he has AMBITION.

While holding down a full time job driving a truck delivering dairy products, he started a lawn maintenance/landscaping business. He then invested some of his profit in a retail motorcycle business which went under. He then took a loan out on his modest 3 bedroom home and invested in an apartment complex. Then in more rental homes. Then the California real estate market went through the roof. Today he is retired and worth millions.

Of course, I'll never see a dime of it, but that is a story I'll keep to myself.

38 posted on 03/19/2006 10:23:58 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: summer

I went to a Catholic grade school that became mostly black by time I graduated. All the boys went to high school and several of them to the highly rated Catholic military school in town. As far as I was able to keep up with them, they all finished high school at least. This would have been in the early 70s.

I'd guess that most, but not all, of these boys were from 2 parent families. Some single mothers sent their boys to Catholic school so they would be disciplined, and in high school, around strong male teachers.

The fact that there's no dad doesn't mean that you have to commit crimes. I never subscribed to the theory that poverty = criminality. Is it just the absence of fathers from the home that has caused this decline in behavior? Due to war and other factors, men have been absent from homes since the beginning of time and we haven't had these problems. I wish I had an answer. It is sad to see so many black men waste their lives when many black women are making it.


39 posted on 03/19/2006 10:24:27 PM PST by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking guts, you coward.)
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To: summer

Yet, if a black man from Africa gets legal status here and they thrive in America with good jobs or their own business.

The bottom line is there is a lot of problems with that culture in this country.


40 posted on 03/19/2006 10:26:19 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: radiohead
In my MBA program, black women outnumbered black men by a considerable margin, the OPPOSITE of every other ethnic group.

Blacks are, to my knowledge, the only ethnic group in this country where female labor force participation is higher than that of males.

And people wonder why we see so many Hispanic laborers. The white guys got better jobs, and many (though not all) black guys are unavailable for those jobs.

41 posted on 03/19/2006 10:34:03 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: boycottliberalhollywood.com

True, but that doesn't answer the question as to why whites males, hispanic males, and Asian males participate in the labor force at considerably higher rates than black males.


42 posted on 03/19/2006 10:35:58 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

The answer is simple:

Blacks Vote Democratic over 90% for race-baiting Liberal scumbag politicians.

And because they advocate being treated differently and dependent on society, they ironically ensure they will live on a segregated plantation as helpless slaves.

Anytime they decide to join a color-blind society and integrate like Italians, Chinese, Russians, etc. they will be indistinguishable and prosperous.


43 posted on 03/19/2006 10:45:26 PM PST by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: summer
In a sub-society where blacks who study and get good grades are put down for "trying to be white"..where their "music" celebrates only suffering under the heel of the white man, fast money drug dealers and pimps -- with women as just bitches just for sex...

...where EVERY major black leader drums on, and on, about victim-hood as their only identity -- with demands for reparations as some kind of solution...and ANY Black that makes in the so called white world is called an Uncle Tom or House Ni***r....

....WHERE is the chance for the young blacks to believe that they can make it by working hard?

Bill Cosby is a lone voice screaming in a gale...and getting bashed for his efforts.

It was much this way 45 years ago when I became a teen -- and has only has gotten worse since the "Great Society" created a couple more generations of dependence on government and further destruction of the black family!
44 posted on 03/19/2006 11:01:40 PM PST by Jackson Brown
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To: boycottliberalhollywood.com
Sorry, I don't buy a word of it. As counter argument I offer the fact that males from other races have nothing like this kind of collective problem.

There's something else wrong here.

45 posted on 03/19/2006 11:10:37 PM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: boycottliberalhollywood.com
There just aren't a lot of average jobs anymore!

Sure there are. You just have to be willing to work. You can't expect to start out at $15.00 an hour. You have to believe that you can do better for yourself than the government can do FOR you.

46 posted on 03/20/2006 12:19:19 AM PST by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: summer

No need to apologize for your comments at all. Anyone who took offense to them has built a wall of denial so high that it could use a good toppling. PC needs to be fall, too, if this is ever going to change.


47 posted on 03/20/2006 1:11:07 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: isthisnickcool

"I was watching Extreme Makeover Home Edition tonight. It was about a fellow from Jamaica who lived in Florida. The poor guy has cancer bless his heart. His kids were very well spoken and very bright. None of them said "axed" or "see what I'm saying...It just struck me that for a change the "black kids" on this TV show tonight were extremely well spoken."

That's just the issue. When you meet blacks from the Caribbean or Africa who have come here, they often have very negative opinions of "native" blacks in this country. These immigrants work for what they have, offer no excuses, and generally do well for themselves.


48 posted on 03/20/2006 1:22:25 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: summer

Bill Cosby did... and you see what happened to his career afterwards.


49 posted on 03/20/2006 1:50:50 AM PST by thoughtomator (Symmetry Inspector #7)
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To: summer

The real problem is the lack of a father in many black families, and unfortunately the problem seems to be self perpetuating.

Throwing money at the situation won't make it better.


50 posted on 03/20/2006 2:02:56 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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