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Bloggers push politics aside in fight against FEC
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | March 19, 2006 | John Reinan

Posted on 03/20/2006 2:44:50 AM PST by RWR8189

This might be the first time Freepers and Kossacks have agreed on anything. From the conservative website Free Republic to the liberal Daily Kos, Internet users of all ideologies are uniting in opposition to federal regulation of political blogs.

As early as this afternoon, the Federal Election Commission will publish regulations that, for the first time, could put limits on what bloggers can do and say in support of political candidates.

The FEC is trying to define the line between offering political opinions and operating as part of a political campaign. The full commission is expected to vote Thursday on the regulations.

Meanwhile, Congress is considering two separate bills aimed at a similar goal: clarifying the role of bloggers in delivering political messages and using the Internet as a fundraising tool.

At issue is the growing power of the Internet, which has allowed activists to promote candidates and raise money for them without the kind of rules that long have governed similar activities by political parties, individual campaigns and traditional contributors.

The Internet has been exempt from campaign finance regulations. Last year, however, a federal court ruled that the Internet could no longer be excluded.

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1 posted on 03/20/2006 2:44:53 AM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
They're going to have come for me and jail or murder me. I will stop speaking my mind - only over my dead body. As Patrick Henry put it in his now immortal words: "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!"

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

2 posted on 03/20/2006 2:47:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

Surely, there are enough differences of opinion on FR to exclude it as being "part of a political campaign."


3 posted on 03/20/2006 2:49:19 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel
I dare the boot-heeled fascists at the FEC to shut us up. I dare them!

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

4 posted on 03/20/2006 2:50:27 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

There are laws and there are regulations. Some laws are bad enough, but when you get bureaucrats arrogantly interpreting those laws into regulations. you have government run amuck. They make up half assed regulations and no one is held responsible.


5 posted on 03/20/2006 2:57:52 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002
Let's remember who tried to stifle the First Amendment: the whackjobs John McCain and Russ Feingold. They're both loons and I hope neither of them ever becomes President. Not on my watch.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

6 posted on 03/20/2006 3:00:13 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I triple dog dare them !!


LOL


7 posted on 03/20/2006 3:28:40 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: goldstategop

You would think that because of McCain-Finegold that it would put John McCain pretty much out of the race for president.


8 posted on 03/20/2006 3:30:25 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: RWR8189
Lets NOT dare them.

Frankly, I am afraid that this would happen in a heartbeat under madam Clinton.

Removing the free republic name from internic would take about 30 seconds and might very well take years to wind though administrative hearings.

There are many things that would happen to us under the caring, tender mercies of socialist, green policied, loving, caring, its for the children, health care is a right, democrats.


9 posted on 03/20/2006 3:41:32 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: RWR8189

Funny how silent the ACLU is when it comes to defending the freedom of speech.


10 posted on 03/20/2006 3:46:52 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: bill1952
Removing the free republic name from internic would take about 30 seconds and might very well take years to wind though administrative hearings.

If the government were stupid enough to do this, and they might, you would see anonymous emails appear as a replacement. It would be the 21st Century version of the Pamphleteers.

11 posted on 03/20/2006 3:50:59 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: RWR8189

I find it amazing that the MSM can be immune to all this, passing judgement on blogs and forums. Why should Tim Russert get to practice freedom of the press, but not Jim Robinson?

Who gets to define who is a journalist or not, a news organization or not? Because if you ask me, 90% of the MSM are paid hacks for the DNC. Call them a vast left wing conspiracy and a political organization.

Freedom of the press for Free Republic!


12 posted on 03/20/2006 3:53:30 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: 6SJ7
We'd put up Free Republic outside the United States and there would be nothing the Feds could do about it. And if the FEC really means business, they better start establishing concentration camps. That's the only way they can compel people to obey it and I will not obey a law I consider unconstitutional. So there. Come and arrest me.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

13 posted on 03/20/2006 3:53:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

...Free Republic outside the United States"...heck, we'll launch a satellite with servers!!!


14 posted on 03/20/2006 4:01:32 AM PST by mo
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To: 6SJ7

They would make anon email illegal in the next 30 seconds.
A new agency would be created to enforce that, and new taxes would be enacted to make you pay for it.


15 posted on 03/20/2006 4:09:46 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: goldstategop

Sure they can. Without the name registered... well, that would be just a start for them.


16 posted on 03/20/2006 4:11:36 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: RWR8189; All

We need to be circumspect, here. Like it or not, due to McCain-Feingold, the limits are coming. The IRS enacted regulations at least a year ago to limit what churches could do during political campaigns and what could be said in either chirch bulletins or from the pulpit.

If you feel strongly enough about it, start letting your Congresscritter know. But, remember, that the Congresscritters ignored the public when it came to passing or voting down CFR. Bush, acknowledging that it was unConstitutional, signed it anyway. The SCOTUS failed to address the Constitutional issues surrounding CFR and refused to hear the case. Freedom, the Constitution, and the voters lost big on this issue.

Think they can't clamp down on what can be said on a blog?? Think again; we've already lost that battle and we have no friends in high places willing to overturn this dreck of law.

Word of advice - ANYTIME that Congresscritters favor a bill relating to something that is NOT on the American public's radar (such as Campaign Finance Reform; aka McCain-Feingold), be VERY wary and VERY afraid. CFR has shown them all how to shut down our Constitutional rights - they did it under our noses and we let them.

They'll do it again.


17 posted on 03/20/2006 4:12:07 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Why should Tim Russert get to practice freedom of the press, but not Jim Robinson?

Because the press was specifically excluded from any limitations imposed by CFR, web logs like FR were not. That's why there was a big push to try to get political blogs like FR recognized as press sites (it wasn't, by the way).

The Congresscritters knew they could piss us off and it wouldn't matter, but they also knew thast if they pissed off the MSM by including them in the 1st Amendment limitations of CFR, there would be no limits to the hell that the MSM would put them through.
18 posted on 03/20/2006 4:16:38 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: RWR8189
That's what happened in South Dakota in 2004, when a group of bloggers backing U.S. Senate candidate John Thune, a Republican, relentlessly attacked incumbent Democrat Tom Daschle. The bloggers were being paid by the Thune campaign,

FReepers did it for free!

19 posted on 03/20/2006 4:17:13 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: goldstategop

We should also remember all who voted for it, who signed it into law, then those who refused to consider it against the Constitution.

All three branches of government screwed America with CFR.


20 posted on 03/20/2006 4:17:34 AM PST by kenth (durka durka)
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To: RWR8189

What's the difference between me posting "McCain sucks!" on a blog, or me handing out sheets of paper that say "McCain sucks!"?

The congress and the courts have created an unconstitutional mess that will take years to sort out.


21 posted on 03/20/2006 4:46:03 AM PST by sergeantdave (The business of business is none of the government's business)
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To: RWR8189
This might be the first time Freepers and Kossacks have agreed on anything. From the conservative website Free Republic to the liberal Daily Kos, Internet users of all ideologies are uniting in opposition to federal regulation of political blogs.

Hint to Congress .. it could get ugly if you mess with our internet

23 posted on 03/20/2006 5:14:06 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: khreshnan
Yes, I do take exception to the idea I need to limit my contributions to my political party and its candidates. And I object to the idea that anything I say in an election year amounts to "coordination" with the party or the candidate because I support them or happen to agree with them. These among other provisions, do contravene the first Amendment and my dislike of the authors of CFR is not motivated solely by ad hominem attacks as you put it. My opposition to them stems from their subverting our principles of constitutional government for political aggrandizement. I opposed the ban because it would have granted rights to terrorists they do not deserve. Those who blow up innocent men, women and children are NOT deserving of humane treatment; they are hostili generi humanii and should be treated as such when they are encountered. There are lots of candidates better than McCain and someone who runs roughshod over the First Amendment is not qualified to safeguard a Free Republic. 'Nuff said.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

24 posted on 03/20/2006 5:21:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: khreshnan

Another reason W can be accused of being an absentee president. McC-F should've met his veto pen.


25 posted on 03/20/2006 5:31:19 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: RWR8189; kristinn; Jim Robinson

Is this going to be in the Federal Register?

I will be happy to write a response.


26 posted on 03/20/2006 5:33:12 AM PST by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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To: bill1952

"Your Papers Please."


27 posted on 03/20/2006 5:33:59 AM PST by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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To: DustyMoment

You are quite correct.

We are watching the demise of the Republic. 'Pod.


29 posted on 03/20/2006 5:35:31 AM PST by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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To: khreshnan

You've gotta be kidding.

McCain? Presidential material? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


30 posted on 03/20/2006 5:37:47 AM PST by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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To: RWR8189

A google search of "anonymous offshore hosting" gives plenty of places to host a blog where speech is still free.


31 posted on 03/20/2006 5:41:39 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: sauropod

Ooo, a McCain shill already. :D

Bet we'll get a lot of them over the next two years.


32 posted on 03/20/2006 5:52:09 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: khreshnan; hellinahandcart
The man is NOT a politician - he is a statesman.

Don’t forget to mention his natural humility, and aversion to the spotlight.

33 posted on 03/20/2006 6:04:56 AM PST by dighton
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To: dighton; sauropod

He shuns the spotlight every day of the week, and at least twice on Sundays.


34 posted on 03/20/2006 6:21:22 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: khreshnan

Pease leave this site.


35 posted on 03/20/2006 6:27:02 AM PST by chris1
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To: sauropod

Look when this fool joined FR!

McCain is the worst of the worst. He is the shill of shills, the moron of morons, the phony of phonies.

The best case in point, aside from CFR, is how he tried to ban MMA and the UFC. He is a shill for boxing and tried to get mixed martial arts ban for obvious reasons. Thank god it did not work.


36 posted on 03/20/2006 6:28:45 AM PST by chris1
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To: dighton

McCain will not get my vote, period.


37 posted on 03/20/2006 6:35:52 AM PST by chris1
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To: DustyMoment
The IRS enacted regulations at least a year ago to limit what churches could do during political campaigns and what could be said in either chirch bulletins or from the pulpit.

Big difference. Churches are charitable organizations and derive revenue from tax deductible donations. Political organizations, bloggers, etc. are supported with after tax dollars.

The government is subsidizing churches via tax breaks and they should not be allowed to influence the makeup of that government. Bloggers, etc. are not subsidized so the government should have no control over their freedom of speech.

38 posted on 03/20/2006 6:45:36 AM PST by 6ppc
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Here are my thoughts on the subject.

The problem will the McCain-Feingold bill in the first place is that it completely and totally runs afoul of the first ameendment.

We actuall had some goofball from an OKC suburb write a letter to the editor in the Oklahoman saying otherwise but he's been reading a different version of the U.S. Constitution than what it really is.

The idiot that wrote the majority opinion in favor of this law in the U.S. Supreme Court is the same one who think that foreign dictates should take the place of the U.S. Constitution.

The bill's proscriptions as it is written would essentially allow congress people to do some very malicious and harmful stuff prior to the elections since there would be no legal way for us to blow the whistle on them with this law.

Futher this bill as it's written would allow the Democrats to take both hosues of Congress and ultimately become the source of law in this country.

This would mean that instead of going after terroists aborad like President Bush is doing they would be coming after us. It case it hasn't occured to anyone the Democrats have decided that the danger to National Security isn't from Osama, Saddam or Al-Queda. It's from us, Republicans, christians and conservatives. You know, those of us blowing the whistle on the Democrats and their misdeeds.

And to say John McCain is "Presidential material" is a bit disengious. This fella holds a very hostile attitude towards Republicans, Christians and conservatives. There's an article where some 9/11 victims hd a run-in with him and they spoke out in opposition to his immigration bill and he completely and totally bawled them out.

Is this someone we want as Presdident of the United States? I wouldn't even vote for him as dog catcher. I'd just assume vote for Fido for President.

John McCain is an absolute embarrasment to the state of Arizona and anyone that would take up for him because the McCain-Feingold bill which you know and I know is going to result in the shutdown of FR really needs to have his or her head examined.
Regards....

39 posted on 03/20/2006 6:48:04 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: 6ppc
Bloggers, etc. are not subsidized so the government should have no control over their freedom of speech.

Well, neither is anyone here. Still, the rules of CFR appply during election cycles. Plan on it.
40 posted on 03/20/2006 6:56:26 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: chris1

I have nothing but contempt for McCain.


41 posted on 03/20/2006 7:08:54 AM PST by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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To: sauropod

Look at what McLame tried to do to MMA cause he is a shill for boxing.

The more you look at this guy and what he does, the worse he is.


42 posted on 03/20/2006 7:14:54 AM PST by chris1
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To: khreshnan

Do you realize how embarassing you are? Please, stop while you are ahead.


43 posted on 03/20/2006 7:17:29 AM PST by chris1
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To: khreshnan

Do you support McCain/Keenedy immigration scamnesty?


44 posted on 03/20/2006 7:18:19 AM PST by chris1
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To: DustyMoment
Well, neither is anyone here. Still, the rules of CFR appply during election cycles. Plan on it.

We aren't even bloggers. FR is a message board. How do the rules of CFR apply to FR?

45 posted on 03/20/2006 7:27:26 AM PST by 6ppc
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To: 6ppc

Don't you love how the shills for these politicans show up and get smacked down? I can't believe someone would degrade themselves to such a point.


46 posted on 03/20/2006 7:29:28 AM PST by chris1
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To: khreshnan

No responses yet???????????????

And don't even try to scare me with Hillary.


47 posted on 03/20/2006 7:34:53 AM PST by chris1
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Another reason W can be accused of being an absentee president. McC-F should've met his veto pen.

.Does he have one???????

48 posted on 03/20/2006 8:32:22 AM PST by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: ibheath

I think the Clintons stole it on the way out.


49 posted on 03/20/2006 8:36:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: khreshnan

Mclame is NOT the best choice for the GOP in 08. That Maggot violated the very oath of office he took as a Senator AND as a Military Officer.

I wouldn't vote for that pig for goat catcher.

Let him and his butt buddy Feingold be retired to the dustbin of history.

There is NOTHING in the CFR that is constitutional. Never has been and never will be.

If he's the chosen for the GOP in 08, I know alot of people who will stay home. Don't even try this BS about "oh then you want to vote for Hillary". It's old and doesn't hold weight, plus I see zero difference between that Lying SOB and Her Hiney Clinton.


50 posted on 03/20/2006 8:41:31 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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