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Anti-Serb Propaganda Misled Americans in '90s
The Patriot-News (Harrisburg, PA) ^ | Sunday 19 March 2006 | Stella L. Jatras

Posted on 03/20/2006 4:20:57 AM PST by Doctor13

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To: montyspython

check this out and check the date of their beginning. About the same time we started the Balkan operations....

http://web.archive.org/web/20010204094700/aacl.com/about.shtml2.htm


51 posted on 03/20/2006 9:59:36 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
It is signficant to mention that Milosevic was in the process of getting into the banking business in the 80's. He came to New York to learn the business. While in NY the CIA approached him, and saw an opportunity to get control of the Balkans. They turned him from Banking and trained him in politics. He returned to Serbia, and instead of being friendly to the U.S. he was approached by the Serbian intelligentsia and thus became a nationalist.

Interesting

52 posted on 03/20/2006 10:20:53 AM PST by A. Pole (Wimpy: "I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: A. Pole

I want to research more about this, as I just recently learned this......It really puts a link into the or one of the reasons we went to the Balkans...and.....it would explain why the history of the Serbs has been changed or manipulated since early 90's......If you find any more info or details, I would be interested.


53 posted on 03/20/2006 10:37:52 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Yep.


54 posted on 03/20/2006 11:12:50 AM PST by patton (This forum allows optional use of most HTML tags)
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To: A. Pole

Margaret Thatcher also supported air strikes against the Serbs.


55 posted on 03/20/2006 12:36:43 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: Revenge of Sith
Margaret Thatcher also supported air strikes against the Serbs.

And National Review. There so much vile hatred of Serbs at NR that I had to cancel the subscription.

56 posted on 03/20/2006 12:48:29 PM PST by A. Pole (Ivan Boesky: "What good is the moon, if you can't buy or sell it?")
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To: Revenge of Sith

Yes, she spoke of rejecting "appeasment" of "Milosevic's" Serbia and thus added another voice demanding the appeasement of the Islamofascists and welcoming for Europe the disgrace of Dhimmitude.


57 posted on 03/20/2006 1:32:14 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Mi-kha-el
It's Macca's tune. Actually, "Another Day" was his very first solo single. "Every day she takes a morning bath / she wets her hair / Wraps a towel around her as she's heading for the bedroom chair / It's just another day..."

MIDI file. One of my favourite Macca tunes...

58 posted on 03/20/2006 2:17:06 PM PST by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Doctor13

We backed the wrong side in this one.


59 posted on 03/20/2006 2:24:38 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Dustbunny
They can all thank Clinton, Soros and the rest of the Demorat party.

All fueled by muslim oil money. (It's not the oil that's bad, or the money that's bad...)

60 posted on 03/20/2006 4:57:59 PM PST by gotribe (Just tired of going easy on islam)
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To: Ditto; FormerLib; Proctor
Hey doesn't Dole work( as a legal advisor) for that PR firm that pushed the musslies agendas in BOTH Bosnia and Kosovo???

After he left the Senate he was a paid lobbyist for them, I think.

61 posted on 03/20/2006 5:12:42 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I am the more I want people to wake up and smell the coffee 'bout violent religions)
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To: gotribe; FormerLib; Proctor; A. Pole; jb6
YOU HIT THE NAIL SQUARELY ON THE HEAD!!!!

Does anybody but me think that Saudi money is behind most of the BAD stuff that goes in the world against Christians, Serbs, Jews and Americans??

Also, I think they have secretly funded abortion mills, abortion supporters and politicians who support abortions all over the Western world. THEY WANT US TO KILL OFF OUR FUTURE, OUR BABIES!!

I THINK THEY ARE BEHIND THE DRUG CARTELS.

I THINK THEY FUND THE ACLU IN CASES AGAINST CHRISTIANS.

I THINK THEY FUND JERKS LIKE THE CLINTONS.

I THINK THEY FUND ANY GROUP THAT IS FOR SO-CALLED ALTERNATIVE SEXUAL LIFESTYLES.

I THINK THEY FUND GROUPS THAT FOSTER HATRED BETWEEN THE USA AND RUSSIA( who has alot of oil and gas!! RUSSIANS COULD BE THE COMPETTION!).

I THINK THEY FUND THE NEA!!

IF ANYTHING OR GROUP WANTS TO DESTROY THE MORAL CLIMATE IN THE USA, THE SAUDIS FUND IT.

THE SAUDIS WANT TO TAKE US AS THEIR SLAVES.

IF WE COULD INVESTIGATE SOROS I THINK WE WOULD FIND SAUDI MONEY BACKING HIM UP.

62 posted on 03/20/2006 5:27:08 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I am the more I want people to wake up and smell the coffee 'bout violent religions)
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To: Lion in Winter
I THINK YOU HAVE TAKEN THE SAUDI CONSPIRACY OVER THE EDGE...

but there is no doubt they bought a lot of propaganda from Beltway parasites on Bosnia and Kosovo.

63 posted on 03/20/2006 6:01:26 PM PST by Ditto
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To: A. Pole

Former Ustachi facist Franjo Tudjman, you might add.


64 posted on 03/20/2006 6:01:45 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Lion in Winter
Could be. He was a "bought & paid lobbiest" for them when he was still in office. Why he should he give up a profitable gig?
65 posted on 03/20/2006 6:05:50 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
Yeah... but you know...there MAY be something of truth in it.

We are lower than whale pop to muslims and I wold put nothing past them if they thought they could destroy us from within by funding all the things that could make us weaklings.

Drugs, immorality, abortion of innocents and family breakdown as in "alternative-sexuality" familiy life.

Saudis DO HAVE the money to push evil agendas don't they???

66 posted on 03/20/2006 6:08:44 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I am the more I want people to wake up and smell the coffee 'bout violent religions)
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To: Ditto

But he had his Viagra GIG!! He needed more money???? LOL!!


67 posted on 03/20/2006 6:16:03 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I am the more I want people to wake up and smell the coffee 'bout violent religions)
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To: Doctor13; All

God Bless the author of this excellent article. She's a FReeper!


68 posted on 03/20/2006 6:32:25 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (If you right click on Madeline Albright's image, my name should show up!)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

BTTT


69 posted on 03/20/2006 6:34:23 PM PST by Lion in Winter (The older I am the more I want people to wake up and smell the coffee 'bout violent religions)
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To: F-117A

Right -- we should have let the Serbs control Bosnia,Kosovo and Albania -- I'm a little unsure if the Serbs even tried to convert the Mussies -- they should have....


70 posted on 03/20/2006 10:42:12 PM PST by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic: Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: RoadTest
And the Force behind anti-Serbism is the Vatican, with centuries of Eastern Orthodox hate and warfare behind it culminating in the gory genocidal atrocities visited on the Serbs by Croats and Catholic priests during WWII.

Garbage. Pure slimy garbage -- we're not in the 11th century. In the 19th century the Catholic Church has been strongly reaching out to the EO.
71 posted on 03/20/2006 10:43:42 PM PST by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic: Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: RoadTest
And the Force behind anti-Serbism is the Vatican, with centuries of Eastern Orthodox hate and warfare behind it culminating in the gory genocidal atrocities visited on the Serbs by Croats and Catholic priests during WWII.

Garbage. Pure slimy garbage -- we're not in the 11th century. In the 19th century the Catholic Church has been strongly reaching out to the EO.
72 posted on 03/20/2006 10:43:50 PM PST by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic: Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: A. Pole

Lets face the facts:

Hitler WAS europe in 1940es.
Than Europe hated Jews.

Now they hate Serbs.

Why?

Hitler needed cohesive element for Germany and also most of Europe, and that was antisemitism, so people in Germany and Europe wouln`t pay notice to his sick aspirations.

Now, children of antisemites, children of nazis in Europe hate Serbs. Why?
They need cohesive element to avert public eyes from unimployment, recession, failiure of UE and ANTO and colaboraton with Islamists. Serbs are best scapegoats.


73 posted on 03/21/2006 3:12:49 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: Lion in Winter
Saudis DO HAVE the money to push evil agendas don't they???

There are even more Americans with even more money than the Saudis who have been pushing those agendas.

74 posted on 03/21/2006 7:07:02 AM PST by Ditto
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To: A. Pole
And this was the first NATO operation in history. I guess after the collapse of Soviet Union someone had to be beaten into the pulp instead.

Remember, the collapse of the soviet union was brought about by a United States under the leadership of a courageous statesman Ronald Reagan. The collective cowardly NATO leadership was "$#itless" at the thought of the soviets. Weighing in on the side of islamic expansion in the Balkans against the tiny Serb nation allowed both cowardly NATO and cowardly clintoon to regain a sense of "manhood".

75 posted on 03/21/2006 9:11:13 AM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Doctor13

Clinton lied and innocent people died.


76 posted on 03/21/2006 9:12:01 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: kimosabe31
Weighing in on the side of islamic expansion in the Balkans against the tiny Serb nation allowed both cowardly NATO and cowardly clintoon to regain a sense of "manhood".

CORRECTION!! Replace "regain" with "acquire". I doubt NATO leadership OR clintoon ever had a sense of manhood.

77 posted on 03/21/2006 9:17:40 AM PST by kimosabe31
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To: A. Pole

From the perspective of cold calculation, it was still only a couple of years after the fall of the USSR. The idea of a widespread war in SE Europe was problematic. Initially, NATO sat on the sidelines and gave the Euros a chance to deal with it. Lacking any real recent experience in matters of war, the Euros failed. NATO had to step in. Now, on the matter of what happened next, there is plenty of criticism to go around. A topic for another day ....

In the book "While America Sleeps" by Kagan and Kagan is a good analysis of the issue.


78 posted on 03/22/2006 3:09:44 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Doctor13
I contend that the Serbians were the "right side" in the Serbian/Bosnian conflict.

I supported them then - their excesses notwithstanding.

The Serbian/Bosnian conflict represented the "Clash of Civilizations" which professor Samuel Huntington wrote about so eloquently. Christianity vs. Islam, no-holds-barred.

The Serbians knew what was as stake.
They knew that they could not live peacefully with a mixed/Muslim population.
They knew what had to be done.
And they had the nerve to go out and _do_ it.

Thus, "ethnic cleansing".

I contend that the Serbian/Bosnian conflict represents a harbinger of where The West is headed in general - a view of what's to come.

Here on Free Republic, we talk about "Eurabia" - the fall of Europe to Islam.
We say that Islam is incompatible with all the values of a Western culture.
We talk about kicking Islamics out, sending them back to Muslim states.
Lots of "big talk". But - when the chips are down (as they someday WILL be), I wonder how many of the big talkers will turn into fast walkers (especially when something called a "draft" is mentioned!)....

The Serbians walked the walk - and we bombed them for doing so.

The clash of civilizations cannot be won on our terms of engagement. It will only be won on _their_ terms.

The Serbians understood the meaning of "their terms".

If we are not willing to engage in ethnic - and cultural - cleansing, the OTHER SIDE will eventually engage it - against US. They have no qualms - NONE - about establishing a worldwide Islamic state. They believe their way is superior, the destined will of allah (I refuse to capitalize that false deity), and they will do what is necessary to establish that will worldwide. For them the end is justified by the means, and they will use ANY means necessary to achieve it.

I believe OUR culture is superior (yes, SUPERIOR). And faced with such an enemy, there can be no reasonable or rational choice other than to grit our teeth and realize that we, too, must use what means necessary to achieve our goal. We do this not because we want to, but because we must.

That "goal" is the preservation of Western civilzation and the overthrow of Islam, the enemy of freedom.

- John

83 posted on 03/22/2006 3:58:35 PM PST by Fishrrman
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To: GOP_1900AD
Lacking any real recent experience in matters of war, the Euros failed. NATO had to step in.

"NATO"? "Euros" were in NATO. Either way "Euros" negotiated Lisbon Agreement which was going to bring peace.

84 posted on 03/22/2006 4:30:26 PM PST by A. Pole (XIV century English rhyme: "When Adam delved and Eve span, who was the gentleman?")
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To: A. Pole; GOP_1900AD
NATO wanted to go in. It's not like they were reluctant or whatever... Those within NATO (and outside it) who were itching for a war, faced with the threat of increasing obsolescence and growing irrelevance, had torpedoed every attempt at peace in the Balkans.

They were looking for a purpose, and the only purpose, their sole reason d'etre, as far as military alliances go, is waging war.

The Lisbon Agreement was the most overt example of interference ("If you don't like it, don't sign it," Warren Zimmerman to the Bos. Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic), but not the only time the U.S. made any kind of peace impossible.

85 posted on 03/22/2006 8:40:03 PM PST by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Banat

Have you read the source I referenced?


86 posted on 03/22/2006 9:26:32 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Banat

Some "war". The Serbs were lucky the Croats were ordered to stop in August 1995.


87 posted on 03/25/2006 7:18:19 PM PST by Joey Silvera
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To: Fishrrman

"The rubble of Bosnia was directly responsible for radicalizing a generation of European Muslims."-Mark Steyn
(You can pretty much substitute rubble with "Serbs")


88 posted on 03/25/2006 7:20:20 PM PST by Joey Silvera
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