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Republicans All Alone in Viewing the Economy as in Good Shape
Gallup ^ | 3/21/06 | Frank Newport

Posted on 03/21/2006 6:35:44 AM PST by pissant

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To: The South Texan
I know a guy who is a retired trade unionist. He thinks of himself as Independent/Liberal. To him in some areas the Dems aren't Liberal enough, hence his "Independent" label.

He sure as hell isn't going to vote Republican.

Most other "Independents" I know are of the same bent albeit not as heavily.

Independent is code for either left leaning or total moonbat territory. I've never seen a right leaning Independent. Well in my area anyway.
51 posted on 03/21/2006 7:22:49 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

That just shows how stupid they are as a whole, they should shut up about all that garbage and start talking gas prices(not that pols can really do anything about it but that's what campaign promises are all about, right?)

Novemeber seems like it may be a contest of who can shoot themselves in the foot the most without blowing it off.


53 posted on 03/21/2006 7:24:51 AM PST by rattrap
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To: headstamp

You have to wonder why. If the R's coordinated, and in essence stuck to the talking points, the message would get out. It's the greatest story never told.


54 posted on 03/21/2006 7:26:41 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Not necessarily. Notice I stated "communication" not PR.

In this day and age of instant media, the President and his administration must communicate to the American people far more often and better than they have been on a host of issues. They typically let something snowball until it is far too late to counter in virtually every circumstance

Reagan did it in a far more left media heavy time. I know President Bush is no Reagan but his administration could do a way better job getting the message out in coordination with Republicans in Congress.
55 posted on 03/21/2006 7:35:13 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: TXBSAFH


I live in Houston, wages seem to be going up pretty good to me...just depends on which industry segment you work in.

Yes, I agree, it depends on the individual's fact pattern.
But, those I know...are happy, doing better than they've ever done, and are optimistic.

It may just be that they manage their money well, and they work for companies that are in cyclical upturns, but most I know agree...the economy, in it's totality, is doing well.




56 posted on 03/21/2006 7:38:18 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: pissant

So much for the thought that the media should be informing people of what the facts are rather than asking them if their feelings match reality and making a story out of it.


57 posted on 03/21/2006 7:44:06 AM PST by Rippin
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Maybe, but the of those I know their property taxes (Through valuations) have gone through the roof. Case in point my brothers has gone up 20% in the past three years. His and his wife's wages have not gone up as much. Not to mention the cost of living increase from energy costs. Half of those I know are like me and my wife. We are scrutinizing spending, paying off debts and putting money back just in case. It is the general take of most I talk to that the economic numbers look good but they feel like they are getting squeezed.
58 posted on 03/21/2006 7:45:42 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: headstamp


Ahhh..I gotcha. Agreed.

IMHO, McClellan (though a nice guy) wasnt a good choice as Whitehouse press secretary.


59 posted on 03/21/2006 7:47:15 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Rippin

The truth is a three edged sword. There is the truth as you see it, the truth as I see it and usually the truth as it really is. Ones perceptions is ones reality.


60 posted on 03/21/2006 7:47:22 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: pissant
Yet another quagmire of the Bush Legacy.

Dubya lacks the intellectual fexibility and vision to adapt to changing economic conditions.
He'll blindly adhere to globization strategies even as they erode and undermine our nation's economic security. But what else could you expect from someone who spent the first 40 years of his like curled up inside a keg of beer? Sheeeeesh... nothing says "stupidity" like clinging to same policies that are dragging him down to begin with.

61 posted on 03/21/2006 7:50:49 AM PST by Willie Green (Throw the bums out!!! ............ALL OF THEM.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I have been tossing my resume everywhere. I am not even getting a nibble. I also speak with a lot of people all over the country they all say the same things. The economy is bad.
I cant figure out who is right the government or my friends. If anybody knows anyone that can help me create a good resume. please freepmail me...


62 posted on 03/21/2006 7:53:33 AM PST by Paulus
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To: Willie Green

Yep. Just a dunce. Got elected twice as Texas Governor, then twice as POTUS. Too bad a brilliant political strategist like Pat B can't seem to get any traction. ;o)


63 posted on 03/21/2006 7:57:59 AM PST by pissant
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To: TXBSAFH


Would you agree the onus of that situation is on the agressiveness of a municipal taxing authority, and not so much the national economy?

In your situation no matter the state of the economy, you are getting squeezed by a local marxist taxing regime(Property taxes being local not national). Perhaps, if the economy truly was in the tank...the local authorities would not be so inclined to raise rates and valuations...maybe.

Depending on where you live in Houston...your fact pattern would be different.

So the question is do you move? Or do you take your case before the municipal authorities, that property valuations are being overstated to raise revenue for mismanaged municipality and get your tax burden reduced?

Incidently, I understand this is what is happening around the houston area. It's independent of the economy, but effects your personal pocked book nonetheless. Joining a local taxpayor advocacy group could help your cause.


64 posted on 03/21/2006 7:58:11 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: pissant

I get it. If the economy is good (now) but idiot sheeple think it's bad then a poll is better than reality. If the economy is faltering (late Clinton) but the idiot sheeple think it's good then a poll is better than reality. Either way it's the Republicans' fault and Bush's popularity drops.


65 posted on 03/21/2006 7:58:49 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: Paulus

Is that in Switzerland or the US? What kind of job are you hoping to find?


66 posted on 03/21/2006 8:03:08 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: in hoc signo vinces

I have, I am a member of Clout.

But one fact that seems to escape many who talk about is the economy good or bad. National numbers do not matter to most. Remember Tip O'Niel? I disagreed with him on most things but I agree with one thing he said, "All politics is local." I also think that for most Americans all economics is local. My check book balance, my debt ratio, and how much my family nets in out pay checks are my leading economic indicators. If I think they are going well and my job is secure then the economy is great, if not I worry. And that is how most are. And most I know are getting cautious.


67 posted on 03/21/2006 8:07:00 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: TXBSAFH

Yep, "All politics is local", is a great observation.

IMHO, it's only a matter of time before the outrage about property tax rates reach critical mass in this city and something is done.

It's no secret how mismanaged this city, and its surrounding municipalities, are. (i.e. mayor's office bonus fiasco)


68 posted on 03/21/2006 8:13:22 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: pissant
Yep. Just a dunce. Got elected twice as Texas Governor, then twice as POTUS. Too bad a brilliant political strategist like Pat B can't seem to get any traction. ;o)

Well what are American voters supposed to do when Madison Avenue limits their choice to either Coke or Pepsi?

Nevertheless, Dubya has got to be dumb as a ROCK to willingly yield the high ground on trade and immigration issues to idiots like Schumer and Hildebeast Klinton.
Sheeeeeesh.... just HOW does Karl Rove expect to get Americans' support on these issues when the message he sends out consists of America bashing slogans? ("Americans are fat and lazy", "Americans are racists and bigots", "Americans are poorly educated and don't deserve good jobs")

Heck, the bozo never misses and opportunity to smear the American People on these issues, then turns around and wonders why his popularity is dropping in the polls. That is DUMB.

69 posted on 03/21/2006 8:14:49 AM PST by Willie Green (Throw the bums out!!! ............ALL OF THEM.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Not to mention the waste in education spending. It will be interesting to see what kind of abomination the state legislature comes up with in the special seccion on education spending next month.


70 posted on 03/21/2006 8:16:49 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Willie, I cannot honestly recall you ever having a high opinion of the president. If you had a positive statement about him, I've missed it.

I've never heard anything remotely like "fat and lazy" coming from GW regarding America. Instead, he just said this AM that we should not fear the future, that Americans can not only compete, but lead the world. Didn't sound like an insult to me.

And the good news about the President, is that he doesn't care about the polls. At least not to the degree that most politicians do. Do you want a "finger in the air" type prez like slick willie?

As for incompetent, he's been involved in 3 national elections. Each time his party has flourished. What other politician had that track record?


71 posted on 03/21/2006 8:27:51 AM PST by pissant
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To: TXBSAFH

Actually the truth for this media is a two edged sword. 100,000 new jobs for Clinton is a hot economy. 200,000 for Bush is a weak jobs report. Starting with the facts would do us a lot of good.


72 posted on 03/21/2006 8:33:05 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Rippin

Yes it would.


73 posted on 03/21/2006 8:37:43 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: TXBSAFH
"But most of the people I know are startign to worry and play their cards close to the vest."

I am!

Another Thought;

Average Baby Boomer Household Net Worth - $60,000.00 (ain't squat)

Possibly loosing or seeing their pension benefits cut?

S.S. possibly collapsing?

Can you all see the how some find their position troubling?
74 posted on 03/21/2006 8:42:47 AM PST by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: mr_hammer

But one fact that seems to escape many who talk about is the economy good or bad. National numbers do not matter to most. Remember Tip O'Niel? I disagreed with him on most things but I agree with one thing he said, "All politics is local." I also think that for most Americans all economics is local. My check book balance, my debt ratio, and how much my family nets in out pay checks are my leading economic indicators. If I think they are going well and my job is secure then the economy is great, if not I worry. And that is how most are. And most I know are getting cautious.


75 posted on 03/21/2006 8:43:59 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: pissant
Americans continue to resist giving the nation's economy positive ratings, regardless of what so-called "hard" economic indicators may show.

regardless of facts....I guess the MSM propaganda machine is still working.

76 posted on 03/21/2006 8:46:51 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: pissant
If you had a positive statement about him, I've missed it.

I used to think that he'd make a great Little League coach...
but now I'm not quite so sure...
He'd probably find a way to throw the game, just so he could tell the kids that they didn't practice hard enough.

77 posted on 03/21/2006 8:48:15 AM PST by Willie Green (Throw the bums out!!! ............ALL OF THEM.)
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To: headstamp
If the Iraq war was under the Clinton administration, it would be classed as the most noble effort yet by mankind.

and it would have been over long ago. IMHO Without the encouragement given to the "insurgents" by our 'Rat politicians and MSM, there would be very little resistance to democratic progress.

78 posted on 03/21/2006 8:49:12 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: TXBSAFH
BINGO! now ya gotta convince the Bushbot's on how illegal immigrants and HB-1 visa's threaten the average Joe Shmo.
79 posted on 03/21/2006 8:50:11 AM PST by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: mr_hammer

The bots do not want to listen, but if we lose the house or the senate their screams will be deafening.


80 posted on 03/21/2006 9:00:57 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: Willie Green

I'll have to admit that was funny! Soooo wrong, but funny. ;o)


81 posted on 03/21/2006 9:06:28 AM PST by pissant
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To: Freee-dame

Facts don't matter, apparently.


82 posted on 03/21/2006 9:07:23 AM PST by pissant
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To: TXBSAFH

... you and I seem to be the same page. I fear the tin ear of the bots will cost them dearly. The backlash could result in the dimwits (Dems) taking control of on or more houses. That is what I find troubling.


83 posted on 03/21/2006 9:10:53 AM PST by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: Willie Green

See post 75


84 posted on 03/21/2006 9:40:29 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
The inflation numbers put out by the government very conveniently do not include the cost of home utilities, fuel or housing.

Sorry hedge, they're all included.

7. What goods and services does the CPI cover?

BLS - CPI: FAQ's

85 posted on 03/21/2006 10:07:06 AM PST by Mase
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Who are they polling? We have the lowest rate of unemployment in years here in Florida. Help wanted signs all over the place. I guess there aren't enough 50k a year starting salaries ofr HS drop outs?>>>>>>>>>

We have a HIGH unemployment rate here and the problem is the starting salaries of less than $25000. in many cases for college GRADUATES.


86 posted on 03/21/2006 1:07:04 PM PST by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: pissant

gas prices
offshoring of jobs
what's happening with pensions

those 3 reason are why alot of americans don't see the economy as being good.


87 posted on 03/21/2006 1:09:09 PM PST by oceanview
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To: hedgetrimmer
RE: inflation. I know that a large multinational ag comglomerate just raised the contract prices it pays farmers around here by 7%. I'm happy for the farmers: otherwise they'd be out of business. Diesel is $2.90 here. And yet the government's CPI and PPI say that inflation is negligible or negative. Guess I have to join the doubters on the healthy economy.
88 posted on 03/21/2006 1:12:31 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: pissant

"Independents... now are much closer to the negative attitudes of Democrats than to the more rosy views of Republicans."

Rosy? Try realistic! I'm afraid the MSM still has plenty of power to influence, including the ability to make people believe a lie even with realistic facts right in front of them.


89 posted on 03/21/2006 1:12:54 PM PST by winner3000
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To: BearWash
comglomerate = conglomerate
90 posted on 03/21/2006 1:13:48 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"Come Sunday, Pacific Gas and Electric Co.'s residential customers will see, on average, an 11.1 percent increase in the price they pay for electricity.

The increase in their natural gas costs will be worse. Those are expected to soar in January to levels 43.4 percent higher than they were a year ago, extending a three-month run-up in gas prices.

The result: The average PG&E customer will face a combined bill of $224.06 in January, compared with $175.22 a year ago."

This is a great point. I bet the polls showing a more positive outlook in the South for example where people aren't being walloped by high energy bills. The Midwest and New England probably poll lower. The economy in general is healthy, disposable income I would speculate has gone down a bit in ratio's compared to the late 90's. A lot of my middle class friends are struggling a bit but it isn't Bush fault. It's high energy prices combined with rising interest rates/payments on all of those adjustable mortgages and credit cards.


91 posted on 03/21/2006 1:14:04 PM PST by iThinkBig
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To: oceanview

See post 75


92 posted on 03/21/2006 1:16:02 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: Mase
Sorry hedge, they're all included.

They're included but adjusted and manipulated well beyond any reasonable method.

93 posted on 03/21/2006 1:16:42 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: headstamp

"In this day and age of instant media, the President and his administration must communicate to the American people far more often and better than they have been on a host of issues. They typically let something snowball until it is far too late to counter in virtually every circumstance"

AMEN


94 posted on 03/21/2006 1:17:27 PM PST by iThinkBig
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To: pissant
I have a term for women like her, but I'd be banned from using it. It's initials are SC.

Curiosity is driving me crazy!

Skunk Cabbage?
Sacred Cow?
Space Cadet?
Sacreligious Coward?
Slimy C*nt?

95 posted on 03/21/2006 1:19:23 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: BearWash

they always spin the number omitting "the volatile food and energy" segments.

so if you don't eat or use any energy, you'll be OK.


96 posted on 03/21/2006 1:20:46 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Paulus

I have been tossing my resume everywhere. I am not even getting a nibble. I also speak with a lot of people all over the country they all say the same things. The economy is bad. >>>>>>>>>

It really is amazing, I ran my own business for about twenty years, I knew that technology changes would eventually kill that one but I figured I would simply take a job for my few remaining work years. Well, when the time drew near I realized that there were few jobs open in this area and VERY few that would pay enough to live on. I finally found something and have been working at it for just over three years and my pay rate has risen 35% in three years and is scheduled to go up another 10% in July. Sounds great right? Wait, after the July raise I will only be earning about 71% of what people doing the same job were paid four years ago! Yeah, that's right. I have never belonged to a union and have not supported a Democrat for President since I started voting but I am accused of both every time I disagree with all the rosy economic reporting. I simply don't see it here and when I talk to people in other areas they don't seem to see it where they live either. We have high unemployment here and the new employers that are coming in are offering well below median pay rates. We are at the point now that one year of a GOOD income amounts to as much as my father earned in his working lifetime and yet we hear that inflation has been nearly nonexistent since 1982 and other such nonsense. I am starting to wonder if I live in an alternate reality.


97 posted on 03/21/2006 1:36:34 PM PST by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: BearWash
They're included but adjusted and manipulated well beyond any reasonable method.

I hear it's so bad that even all those stupid folks who buy and sell bonds haven't figured out that they're losing their butts because inflation is double what the government reports. /sarcasm off

98 posted on 03/21/2006 1:49:27 PM PST by Mase
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To: Mase

I guess the auction didn't go so well today did it?


99 posted on 03/21/2006 2:07:44 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Mase
What I mean by that is:

The data, juxtaposed with the argument that Bernanke's speech emphasized the economy's strength, fed interest rate worries. Those concerns, anticipation of the FOMC decision, a lingering sense of uncertainty, and technical factors led to a sell-off across the Treasury market. Last week, improvements in bond yields drove the stock market's advance. Today, the benchmark 10-year rose to a 4.72% yield. Yields were up across the curve

100 posted on 03/21/2006 2:12:36 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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