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FBI - STILL SEARCHING FOR THE ANTHRAX MAN
Eye Spy Magazine ^ | 3/20/06 | Eye Spy

Posted on 03/21/2006 7:30:11 AM PST by TrebleRebel

FBI - STILL SEARCHING FOR THE ANTHRAX MAN The fourth anniversary has come and gone since Bob Stevens, a British picture editor for American Media Inc., who had settled in Florida, became the first of five victims after coming into contact with Ames - a weapons grade strain of anthrax. At the time, the FBI were fairly convinced terrorism was involved, though the bureaus’ opinion has changed often and many officers remain openminded. The public could not have imagined that four years later, no-one has been charged with the crime of sending anthrax-laden envelopes in the post. The death of Mr Stevens sparked a huge international manhunt, and while the anthrax source has been traced, the identity of the killer dubbed the ‘anthrax man’ remains as elusive as Jack the Ripper. Eye Spy provides an update on the case.


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare
KEYWORDS: anthrax; fbi
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1 posted on 03/21/2006 7:30:14 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: jpl; Shermy

I've ordered a copy in the naive hope it may contain something new.


2 posted on 03/21/2006 7:31:46 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel

That Fearless Band of Idiots couldn't find its ass with both hands


3 posted on 03/21/2006 7:35:27 AM PST by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Armigerous

To quote Jim Traficant.

"The FBI and CIA are so stupid they could throw themselves at the ground and miss"


4 posted on 03/21/2006 7:36:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: TrebleRebel

I think it was Saddam using a proxy.

Only four countries have weaponized anthrax. If it was domestic, the FBi would have a lead by now.


5 posted on 03/21/2006 7:37:59 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6

This strain came from a Department of Defense lab (USAMRID), hence it WAS domestic.


6 posted on 03/21/2006 7:43:53 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: Fenris6

It could have been one or more of the 9/11 terrorists, or someone working with them.

But FBI never likes to admit to terror ops in the conus, look at WTC I, where top government officials were thinking that the truck bomb was "a transformer fire" for a day or so.


7 posted on 03/21/2006 7:46:04 AM PST by DBrow
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To: LambSlave

Or the initial culture was stolen from there some time ago on a cotton swab.

Just because the DNA matches, it does not mean that was the source lab.

Have there been published reports of the DNA sigs of the other weaponized strains?


8 posted on 03/21/2006 7:48:19 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Fenris6

I suspect the Anthrax Vaccine industry. There is $Billions to be made by vaccinating every US citizen.

In 1997 the DOD let a no bid contract to Bioport for $150 million just to vaccinate the 28,000 troops rotating through the Persian Gulf. Imagine what the price tag would be to vaccinate 240 million americans?


9 posted on 03/21/2006 7:48:58 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: DBrow

In this case it does; yes the strain existed naturally and went to USAMRID in the 1980's, but DOD Labs ARE THE ONLY SOURCE IN THE US OF WEAPONIZED AGENT-- this is not just the organic agent, it is the means of dispensing it. There are only four countries in the world that can weaponize agents, each process is unique, highly classified, and has its own chemical fingerprint; this one has been cited in numerous sources as having come from USAMRID-- hence the screening of employees who worked there such as Dr. Stephen Hatfield.


10 posted on 03/21/2006 7:53:39 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: TrebleRebel
ANTHRAX MAN

Has Marvel Comics heard of this guy?

11 posted on 03/21/2006 7:55:52 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: TrebleRebel
This particular article cannot be informative. For one thing it misidentifies a "standard strain of anthrax used for testing" called Ames with the concept of "weapon".

You can certainly "weaponize" Ames, but you can also "weaponize" all other strains of anthrax.

And yes, the FBI has given up. The only folks still searching for the attackers are the USPS Postal Inspectors.

12 posted on 03/21/2006 8:03:30 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: DBrow
Here is a somewhat dated article that describes the challenges of weaponizing Anthrax and why the investigation shifted to the US labs; the identity and proportion of the chemical agents used to prevent clumping are how the origin of the weaponized strain is determined.
13 posted on 03/21/2006 8:04:24 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: LambSlave

The term "weaponization" in regards to Anthrax is essentially meaningless.

Probably the best overall source of info on the case is

http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/

Even if you disagree with his opinions (I know people here generally have a brain aneurysm over even the slightest suggestion that the attacks were not perpetrated by either Iraq or Al Queda...he is very critical of the focus on Hatfill, however) it's still a good timeline (much mythology over the timeline) and basic info.


14 posted on 03/21/2006 8:05:26 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: LambSlave
Hmmmm ~ you have the details on the chain of custody from that lab to trays of mail in a post office?

Unless you do, you cannot say the attack was "domestic" in its origin.

15 posted on 03/21/2006 8:07:54 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: TrebleRebel

Are they still hounding Dr. Stephen Hatfield? Maybe they should go back to Richard Jewell.


16 posted on 03/21/2006 8:10:49 AM PST by IRememberElian
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To: LambSlave
There's been no report whatsoever detailing the method of weaponization, or if that technique were even used by the US.

Secrets are being kept.

Personally, I think there are at least three distinct possibilities ~ one of them is that the same people who attacked the USPS back in the 1970s shortly after the abortive Bulk and Foreign Facility strike in New Jersey. Their friends are among those who target Hatfill.

Another is that the Atta gang did it, and there are reports of some of them having anthrax infections.

Another is that the group associated with the Blind Sheikh (in jail for his part in the first WTC attack) did it ~ and that includes a former postal employee who worked in Staten Island.

17 posted on 03/21/2006 8:12:32 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Read link I posted above, it has been publically announced that they were not strains used foreign governments based on the anti-caking agents. Now think for a moment-- If it were US labs what would you see? No report in the news because that would almost certainly be classified for a number of reasons, but the FBI would know for sure and we would see a focus on USAMRID. They did, screening every scientist who had custody or knowledge of the process. Read between the lines.


18 posted on 03/21/2006 8:23:02 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: LambSlave
The strain, genotype 62, was isolated at College Station Texas in 1981 and was sent to Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa, who then sent it on to USAMRIID.

Chances are real good that they (Ames Diagnostic Lab) kept a copy. There was a collection of anthrax...much like a coin collection, one of every kind, at the Iowa State Veterinary School. One of the profs worked half time in each place.

In the fall semester of 1990, when I was a student there, the woman sitting across the table from me came in late to class. She made a big deal about why she was late. She had stopped to get the mail and had opened the package that she found in her mailbox. The dry ice fell out and shattered. She thought it contained seeds. (You don't ship seeds with dry ice.) It also contained a note in a language she did not recognize.

When she suddenly realized that the package was not intended for her, she then looked at the label. She was horrified to see that it did NOT have her name on it.

So I said to her, How did it get in your box?

It had her address correct but the name of a Pakistani. So since she could not put the thing back together she felt compelled to hand deliver it to the Pakistani. She thought he would be mad at her for opening his mail. But she said he was glad to get it as he was expecting it.

I thought that it was crazy to send anything with dry ice to a residence.

ONE WEEK LATER, this same woman showed me a dreadful sore on her inner forearm. She said her husband had the same thing on his face!!!! Since I was the only entomologist she knew, and the physician had told her it was a bug or spiders bite, she wanted me to see it. I have a vivid memory of the sore.

While the WTC was still smoldering, the anthrax letters were mailed. When I heard on the radio that this same university, Iowa State at Ames, had destroyed their entire collection of anthrax only 5 days after the first guy died, I had a bright light come on in my head.

I know I know something about this. For 9 months I read everything I could find. Who had destroyed this collection? What does an anthrax sore look like.

Finally, I put it all together. The sores I saw were very similar to the pictures of anthrax sores on the CDC website. But there was one difference. The ones I saw dripped profusely. I even have a book where the woman dripped onto one of the pages.

So what did I see? What can I remember about these incidents from now 15 years ago?

I think what I saw was the aftermath of the theft of the anthrax.

This woman lived at 161E and there was a Pak with the name that I remember her saying living at 116E. He was from Faisalabad, Pakistan. At the vet school was another Pak also from Faisalabad. (Where we caught KSM)

I say that (and this is 3 weeks after Rabbi Meir Kahane was murdered in NY) the Pak in the vet school lifted it and mailed it to his friend. But crime doesn't pay and all criminals are nervous. The second most common thing to mess up is transposition of numbers.

Now for the discrepancy. The literature prior to 9-11 states that anthrax does not drip. Yet if you read GERMS by Judith Miller (you don't have to like her to read the book), you will find a quote by Margano on page 315-6. He was one one the postal employees that got it. He said his sore drip, drip, drip like a faucet.

That is exactly what I saw. Then if you look at the forensic information, you will see that the stuff that was mailed was a mixture of genotype 62 and genotype 62 with a 929 basepair inversion on the plasmid.

I think that this inversion is what caused the dripping.

I have tried to get the FBI interested. I have presented this to 4 different offices, the CIA, local police, the CDC, etc etc.

Finally, on June 20, 2004, I wrote a letter to the Postal Inspectors in Detroit at the request of an out of town policeman who came to the store. (and yes, I tell everyone I meet.)

FOURTEEN MONTHS LATER, on August 25, 2005, I got a call from the Postal Inspection service attached to Amerithrax. Then on November 18, 2005 three Postal Inspectors came to my place of business and asked me some questions. I think they are working on it.

I'll not hear until it is all over. My book is somewhere in Wash. DC., not yet tested to my knowledge.

There is a lot more but my computer wants to disconnect.

Battle Axe
19 posted on 03/21/2006 8:27:43 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: LambSlave
Tell you what, if the US government knows all of the characteristics of weaponized anthrax held by other governments, it's not going to reveal them. Otherwise, the spy who secured that information is going to have his or her cover blown.

That's why you don't hear about it.

20 posted on 03/21/2006 8:28:24 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: LambSlave
BTW, everybody who'd been involved in the anthrax manufacturing process was interviewed by the FBI because ...... ?

Not because the FBI KNEW who did it, but because the FBI DIDN'T KNOW who did it.

They still don't know.

21 posted on 03/21/2006 8:30:04 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Strategerist; fortheDeclaration
tnx 4 UR #14/18....

?.......USAMRID-Islamic-U.N. Division?

This has nothing to do with the 'INS'.....

/extreme sarcasm

Romans 10:17

22 posted on 03/21/2006 8:31:44 AM PST by maestro
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To: muawiyah
Tell you what, if the US government knows all of the characteristics of weaponized anthrax held by other governments, it's not going to reveal them.

I know this, but it has nonetheless been revealed publically in several articles for some particular countries... that some countries use bentonite, that other nations use specially prepared silica, etc. Granted there are likely many other countries we know about that we don't read about in the news; but again the exclusive focus on USAMRID in a multi-million dollar federal investigation would suggest that our boys have good reasons to think it came from there.

23 posted on 03/21/2006 8:35:08 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: LambSlave
The reason was the US Congress. In fact, you had a couple of Senators whose names were on those Anthrax letters ~ both were leftwingnuts, so the FBI found itself under intense pressure to find a rightwingnut who was after them.

Turns out the names and addresses were lifted from a newsletter page in a website called "Jewsforlife". That's where Brokaw's name was also listed, along with his address, as well as the peculiar offset for the word "BLDG" in the address.

A postal worker found that one out. Took him less than 5 minutes. I was there when he discovered it too (and no, it wasn't me).

The FBI wasted a lot of money trying to find if Tom Daschle had enemies who wanted to kill him. Almost anyone could have told them the answer of course.

24 posted on 03/21/2006 8:40:43 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Battle Axe

Incredible story!! I understand and the details add up; very plausible theory... this is just the kind of mutation someone looking for a weapons grade strain would select... start with an already "hot" strain like Ames located in a remote area with little security, find/create a mutation with enhanced virulence factors and grab a sample.


25 posted on 03/21/2006 8:42:20 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: LambSlave

You're correct that the weaponization processes are very specific and highly classified. Thus the weaponization signs on the senate anthrax are like a fingerprint. The fingerprint in this case is silica nanopowder attached to the spore surfaces using a specialized polymerized glass. See comments here:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attack
In February 2005, Stephan P. Velsko of Lawrence Livermore National Labs published a paper titled "Physical and Chemical Analytical Analysis: A key compoent of Bioforensics" [20]. In this paper, Velsko illustrated that different silica coating processes gave rise to weaponized anthrax simulants that look completely different from one another. He suggested that the difference in the look of products could provide evidence of what method the lab that manufactured the 2001 anthrax used, and thus provide clues to the ultimate origin of the material.

In May 2005, Academic Press published the volume "Microbial Forensics" edited by Roger Breeze, Bruce Budowle and Steven Schutzer. [21] Bruce Budowle is with the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) Forensic Science Laboratory. Although the volume does not directly discuss the silica coatings found in the senate anthrax of 2001, the contributors to the chapters discuss in detail the forensics of silica coated weaponized bacterial spores. Pictures are shown of silica weaponized bacillus spores that are both mixed with silica and fully coated with silica. Pictures of weaponized Clostridium spores coated with colloidal (spherical) silica are also shown. Again, the aim of these studies is to define the forensic fingerprints of silica weaponization processes.




I've heard 2 quite different and oposing stories on the weaponization fingerprint. The first says the fingerprint exactly matches a known US product - even down to knowing not only what US BW lab it was made in but what equipment in what building in what room was used to make it. But Detrick is not the place any of this work was done - and that's where Hatfill worked (hence, why any interest in Hatfill?). The second story says the US has never before seen anthrax like this, and still has failed to reproduce the engineering used to weaponize it identically. Hence it came from overseas.


26 posted on 03/21/2006 8:46:48 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: muawiyah
BTW, everybody who'd been involved in the anthrax manufacturing process was interviewed by the FBI because ...... ? My point was that NOT EVERBODY involved in the antrax weaponization process was interviewed; just those who worked with the weaponization of AMES at one particular lab-- USAMRID...
27 posted on 03/21/2006 8:47:19 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: TrebleRebel

We probably won't know the answers to your questions until the investigation is over, maybe not then... My assumption is that the focus of the investigation is not coincidental; that there must be strong evidence tied to Detrick. Seems reasonable, but we won't know until it is all over; and even then we might not know...


28 posted on 03/21/2006 8:53:13 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: LambSlave

The bentonite story was always a red herring. Bentonite is used all the time in BT formulations for insecticdes but it has nothing to do with weaponizing simulants or anthrax. A UN inspector found a bag of bentonite at an Iraqi insecticide site and wrongly concluded the Iraqis were using it for aerosol weaponization tests. Likely it was just being used as a standard filler.
Bentonite is useless for creating aerosols - it consists of plate like crystalline material which sticks together like glue. Silica nanopowder is the key to weaponization of anthrax. It consists of tiny (12nm diameter) amorphous, ping pong ball shaped particles. These particles coat the spores and stop them clumping together.


29 posted on 03/21/2006 8:54:01 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: LambSlave
It is my theory that first it was stolen, then mutated and weaponized.

You really have to look at the comment by??? "It really didn't have to be that good!" Someone who really knew what they were doing "weaponized" it.

The process of weaponization to me is the cleaning and purification of the individual spores. Natural stuff come with a lot of debris, thus causing the spores to stick together and make the clumps heavy. Heavy enough to have gravity take over.
Normally it just lands on the ground and is not light enough to be breathed into the lungs.
Weaponized anthrax is cleaned anthrax, no debris, no static cling, just floats in the air, so light that gravity doesn't bother it.

You can as Mr. Muy......(can't spell) says, weaponize any strain. The selection of the strain would be crucial to any successful attack. The most virulent would be selected. Also one that held some antibiotic resistance.

However, the stuff that was mailed was survivable, if help was obtained early enough. Drugs that we have will work. I don't really think anyone needs the vaccine. They are usually only 80% effective anyway. Only rabies vaccine is 100% effective.

The real problem with anthrax is the fear.

Just to be clear: It was first stolen, then manipulated somehow into the variation that we found in the letters and then weaponized.

It was not stolen in a weaponized form, IMHO.
30 posted on 03/21/2006 9:02:26 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: TrebleRebel

Good points. I am familiar with Bentonite, but despite it's ineffectiveness in this application it WAS reportedly part of the Iraqi weapons program-- even though this was probably incorrect as you point out, I'd wager that this was still the reason for the interest in screening for this compound.


31 posted on 03/21/2006 9:04:54 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: LambSlave

multi-million dollar federal investigation would suggest that our boys have good reasons to think it came from there

NO!!

Just look at the testimony of the FBI agent that arrested Z. Moussoui. The big whigs blocked his investigation that would have uncovered 9-11.


32 posted on 03/21/2006 9:10:55 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
I do not exclude the possibility that it was stolen and then later weaponized; it is entirely possible.

I think your last comment is the most important of the thread; the primary power of these weapons is fear and ignorance. Good sanitation will defeat most of them for reasonably healthy people; vaccines will likely kill more people than the outbreak; the gobs of money put out to "protect" us is politicians pandering to public fear... playing right into the hands of the perpetraters, IMHO.

33 posted on 03/21/2006 9:14:23 AM PST by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: LambSlave

Chances are that he closed his eyes and picked one. Murphys law in effect.

He could have wanted one that originated in the US, but we may never know that part.


34 posted on 03/21/2006 9:15:09 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: LambSlave

" They did, screening every scientist who had custody or
knowledge of the process. Read between the lines."

There supposedly was an Arkansas Trooper (Russell Welch ?) who died of weaponized anthrax in the early nineties. He had the task of investigating Clinton.


35 posted on 03/21/2006 9:17:27 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: TrebleRebel

bump


37 posted on 03/21/2006 9:19:12 AM PST by VOA
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To: TrebleRebel
FBI - STILL SEARCHING FOR THE ANTHRAX MAN

They don't even know the Muffin Man.

38 posted on 03/21/2006 9:20:18 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: muawiyah
and that includes a former postal employee

As a group those are certainly suspicious characters. ;)

39 posted on 03/21/2006 9:35:19 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who talk don't know, those who know don't talk.)
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To: LambSlave
This strain came from a Department of Defense lab (USAMRID), hence it WAS domestic.

I hate having to keep saying the same thing over and over again in every single one of these anthrax threads, but I guess I have no choice.

The idea that the anthrax had to have been stolen directly from USAMRIID is bogus information that was out of date a long time ago. They legally gave the strain to a number of different labs many years ago, including a lab in Canada and a lab in Great Britain, which was under largely PRIVATE control for a few years.

In other words, the idea that the anthrax could only have been removed from USAMRIID is way off, and therefore simple logic dictates that the idea that the perp had to be a "domestic" is also false.

Contrary to what a lot of people seem to believe, the feds truthfully don't even know with absolute certainty which lab the anthrax used was taken from.

It's really amazing how much bad information has been disseminated on this subject.

40 posted on 03/21/2006 9:37:11 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: Battle Axe
I have tried to get the FBI interested.

Based on the the recent news from the Moussaoui trial, etc. this may have been a hopeless endeavour.

41 posted on 03/21/2006 9:56:22 AM PST by wideminded
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To: ASA Vet
The former postal employee was working (on his own) as message-central for the Blind Sheikh's gang. You probably noticed that his lawyer has also been prosecuted and jailed. She shared a stage with Cindy Sheehan along the way.

The Islamofascist/Leftwingnut axis is almost indistinguishable from one end to the other.

42 posted on 03/21/2006 9:58:21 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

"And yes, the FBI has given up."

For sure? Would make sense. If they solve the case careers and prestige will disappear via the Hatfill law suit. Unsolved, the semblance of "guilt" hangs over Hatfill, FBI careers and prestige preserved.


43 posted on 03/21/2006 10:01:17 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Battle Axe
I have tried to get the FBI interested. I have presented this to 4 different offices, the CIA, local police, the CDC, etc etc.

Have you considered Congressman Curt Weldon? He seems pretty committed to the truth in such matters.

44 posted on 03/21/2006 10:07:15 AM PST by Fury
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To: jpl; LambSlave

"The idea that the anthrax had to have been stolen directly from USAMRIID is bogus"

Yes, but it is a meme essential to the Frame Hatfill Project.


45 posted on 03/21/2006 10:11:10 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Fury
I tried MY congressman. I made a video of the information as my friends tell me that I come across better than my writing. I talked to him when he was here in town.
Told him I would send him this. Then I sent it.

Never heard a word.
Follow up phone calls were dead ends.
When all this started, I turned to Miss Peach, my Viking Kitty. I said, "In which lifetime will this get solved and just who is going to do it?"

Miss Peach meowed and wolfed down an entire tray of Sheeba.

For those of you following this from day one, I have always been here telling the very same account of what I saw.

I thought I got lucky with the Postal Inspectors.

Do you have a way to get it to Weldon directly?

How can I get an appointment with him??
46 posted on 03/21/2006 10:21:16 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
Do you have a way to get it to Weldon directly?

How can I get an appointment with him??

I don't know him personally, but start at http://curtweldon.house.gov/

I really think that Weldon might be interested given his digging on Able Danger and how there were problems in the 90's.

47 posted on 03/21/2006 10:28:26 AM PST by Fury
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To: Shermy
Wondering what the bottom line is for the Hatfill decoy?

Do you think they did this to shield their incompetence?
Someone really thought he did it?
A stopgap measure to shush the MSM, Flaming Liberals, etc.

In the end I say that the Hatfill caper was a mistake.
And yet most Americans on the street think he did it.
48 posted on 03/21/2006 10:46:52 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: TrebleRebel

They'll find Whitey Bulger before they solve this case, which means never.


49 posted on 03/21/2006 10:48:46 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Battle Axe

I think the FBI was open minded.

Until the BHR meeting with the Senate staffers. The staffers, juiced up on the NYTimes pieces and other innuendo pressured the FBI or Justice Department to go after Hatfill. The Justice dept. gave the staffers and the MSM what they wanted, Project Hatfill.

I take care in saying the "FBI." There's other forces. A pic tells a thousand words and I remember the Ashcroft news conference which was a virtual reality perp walk. Behind him were his assistant, smiling, confident with their success. I thought maybe three is something to this Hatfill stuff. Turns out there wasn't.

They were probably duped by the burgeoning MSM/NYTimes full court press on Hatfill.


50 posted on 03/21/2006 10:55:08 AM PST by Shermy
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