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Document: Saddam Regime Training and Using Foreign Arab Terrorists As Suicide Bombers. (Translation)
Pentagon/FMSO website for PreWar Iraq Documents ^ | March 21 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 03/21/2006 8:50:49 AM PST by jveritas

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To: finnman69

I think so as well. May be some other documents will reveal this and I will keep an eye on this.


101 posted on 03/21/2006 1:19:11 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

A big Semper FI to you jveritas. Your providing an honorable service.


102 posted on 03/21/2006 1:27:57 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: MizSterious

I sent an e-mail to several Fox shows - O'Reilly, Hannity, Brit Hume, The Big Story, etc., asking them to cover the story and not to let it die down. Even though I've seen a few stories about it in the MSM, there still isn't any real acknowledgement of the documents, like Murtha on Sunday and other leftists are still allowed to say "there were absolutely no connections between Saddam and al qaeda...." and get away with it unchallenged, and there is no mention at all of the documents in these exchanges.


103 posted on 03/21/2006 1:28:14 PM PST by Proudcongal
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To: Tony Snow

PING!

The AP has opened the door to discussion of documents. Perhaps they should discuss them all? Perhaps Fox News has the resources to report on the documents.

(sorry about Davidson's exit from the NCAA)


104 posted on 03/21/2006 1:34:34 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: jveritas

meanwhile the MSM runs interference

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600501/posts
Documents Show Saddam's WMD Frustrations


105 posted on 03/21/2006 1:38:04 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: jveritas

Wow.

Almost makes me wish I'd studied Arabic in college instead of just taking History of Islam.

This is explosive guano.

We need to disseminate rapidly.

I can think of a half a dozen radio talk show hosts who would be interested.


106 posted on 03/21/2006 1:40:12 PM PST by GEC
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To: jveritas

NICE!!!


107 posted on 03/21/2006 1:41:34 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: maine-iac7

I wasn't "assuming" anything. I was responding to the negative, defeatist post you wrote.


108 posted on 03/21/2006 1:42:45 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Proudcongal

I sent copies to Fox (Brit Hume specifically) too, plus our local papers. If enough people send them, perhaps they'll see there's interest in this story.


109 posted on 03/21/2006 1:50:04 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: jveritas

"The commission will prepare a very intensive training course for a period of week where it will be focused to raise the physical fitness and train on how use the automatic rifle Kalashnikoff and hand grenades and the largest section of the course will be specialized to focus of using the explosive material in the body, in motorcycle, in cars, and in camels."

Damning and yet funny.


110 posted on 03/21/2006 1:52:55 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"See the link at post #87."
Look. It is a AP writer. They will put their frigen spin on things, for those that know no better. To much has come out over the past few years, contrary to what this jerk eludes to. I get weary of reading piles of rubbish. I don't waste my time going to these places. Their all spin.
Just the documents that are being exposed of recent making references to Saddams inner circle worrying how they could continue to deceive the UN inspection teams as to the whereabouts of those 17 tons, meaning medium for brewing up anthrax spores in a controlled enviroment, tells me they where not coming clean. Both before the war, and afterward during those UN/US Army inspection team efforts. Lots of stuff shall be shown in the future to back up the idea they hid a lot of stuff to totally confuse the inspectors. So much for a year plus had been written on this one point, that IMHO, all Freepers who bothered following this stuff, should have a clear cut idea as to what went on. I'm no rocket scientist, and have had no problem understanding that Iraq had a lot of stuff hidden, programs dismantled in such a way that as soon as the sanctions where lifted, they would go back into business. So this crap they had no wmds is just crap to me. I know otherwise based on the hundreds of FR articles we have viewed in the past few years and other web sites. One cannot have it both ways. Either Saddam's goons cleaverly deceived many, or they where clean. And much of what I have read indicates they did not come clean, based on stuff found by our troops over a year or so period of time.
One more time. Why would our troops find syringes and vials of atropine laying on concrete floors in weapon storage bunkers along with gas masks? Bunkers being storage place for artillery shells. With some binary shells being amoung them.
111 posted on 03/21/2006 1:57:21 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: GEC

Please let the word out as much as you can. if you can send this to a talk radio show host and hopefully he agrees to talk about it, it will be a great thing for our country since the truth is being revealed with evidence.


112 posted on 03/21/2006 2:00:29 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

If I may play Devil's (Dem's) Advocate for a moment, how does this prove "that not only there were non Iraqi Arab terrorists in Iraq before the war but they were also trained by Saddam regime on how to become suicide bombers?" This looks to me like either a training manual or a proposal for establishing a training program. It doesn't say that anyone was actually trained.

What is the context of this document - the title, other items contained inside, etc.? Is it a historical record of actions taken? Or is it a planning document where they're trying to set up a program?

And thanks very much for all your hard work.


113 posted on 03/21/2006 2:06:25 PM PST by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: eyespysomething
On another note, why in the heck did Negroponte delay this info saying it was only historical info, not pertaining to current situation? What's he hiding?

He didn't say it wasn't pertinent, he said nothing in it would alter the current reality or situation. He thought it would hurt more on Iran/Syria issues (thinking of embarrassing allies), than it would help on the Iraq issue (which he considers 'in the past')

Of course its not a good argument, you'd have to totally ignore the impact of the president being impugned daily for a few years, and how that might play on the Iran/Syria issues. Or at least you'd have to prioritize that lower than the 'allies' bit. Which we now know (Russia against Iran sanctions) isn't worth it, and thus... we get the docs.
114 posted on 03/21/2006 2:11:18 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: jveritas

Thanks and keep up the great work.


115 posted on 03/21/2006 2:24:15 PM PST by bobsunshine
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To: eyespysomething

Add me to the Release/Translation of Classified PreWar Docs ping list please.


116 posted on 03/21/2006 2:26:29 PM PST by BJClinton
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To: jveritas

Bookmark ... thank you Jveritas, thank you .. thank you...


117 posted on 03/21/2006 2:31:56 PM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking the keyword or topic Israel.

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118 posted on 03/21/2006 3:49:12 PM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: jveritas
Weekly Standard has piece on another document that talks about using chemical weapons on Iran - and saving enough to use on us...

has this been posted - or can someone post? "special equipment" ='s chem weapons - spelled out later in piece.

Exerpt: "...special equipment) from our units. They are considered more appropriate than others to strike with our equipment for being located in low regions which helps the chemical fumes to settle. We can also treat them with available ways (air force, tubular bombers, Samtiyyat (Helicopters) and at night

5. Our directorate suggested striking both targets, referred to in item 3, during this period using two thirds of available special equipment (Ricin) plus one third of available special equipment (Mustard Gas) and keeping the balance for emergency situations that might arise in the operation theater.

119 posted on 03/21/2006 4:24:05 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: jveritas

ping


120 posted on 03/21/2006 5:22:39 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Thank you my fellow freeper, I am honored by a Semper Fi salute.
121 posted on 03/21/2006 6:26:07 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
"Thank you my fellow freeper, I am honored by a Semper Fi salute."
Only being a uncle of an active Marine, I take journalistic license in using the salute. Your faithfullness in working toward bringing out the truth on these issues seemed to warrant such a response.
122 posted on 03/21/2006 6:29:52 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Tarantulas
First let us establish the fact that the document start admitting that there were foreign Arab Feedaeyeens i.e. "terrorists" in Iraq before the war. Second this document is about making a very intensive course within a week so it is easy and very possible to train hundreds if not thousands of these Arab terrorists to become suicide bombers in a short period of time. There is no way the foreign terrorists can organize, get safe houses, establish weapons cache, know the area very well, get some local protection and support, and have done all this after we liberated Iraq. Many of them were there before the war and they were sheltered and trained by Saddam regime.
123 posted on 03/21/2006 6:34:31 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: eyespysomething
"On another note, why in the heck did Negroponte delay this info saying it was only historical info, not pertaining to current situation? What's he hiding?"

US intelligence officials say nearly all the documents released have been given at least a cursory reading by Arabic experts. Beth Marple, Negroponte's deputy press secretary, said amateur translators won't find any major surprises, such as proof Hussein hid stockpiles of chemical weapons.

Still, conservative bloggers, eager to bolster the case for going to war against Iraq, have long argued for release of the documents. They gained a powerful ally last month in Michigan Republican Pete Hoekstra, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. In an interview with blogger Andrew Marcus, Hoekstra called for Negroponte to release the documents online. ''Unleash the power of the Net," Hoekstra said. ''Let the blogosphere go." Kansas Republican Pat Roberts, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, backed Hoekstra's proposal.

Within hours of the first release of documents, Shahda posted his first translation on the conservative website Free Republic. It was an Iraqi intelligence report of an interview with an Afghan informant that suggests -- but does not prove -- agents of Al Qaeda and the Taliban were active in Iraq before the Sept. 11 attacks.

According to an intelligence official who declined to be identified, Negroponte plans to release all documents that have no further intelligence value. Files that might help apprehend members of the Iraqi insurgency will remain under wraps. So will files that could violate the privacy or harm the reputations of innocent people. For instance, the Hussein regime used rape as a method of torture, and the government won't release documents containing the names of Iraqi rape victims. Nor will it release files mentioning Iraqi-Americans or other US citizens, such as journalists.

The remaining documents, the official said, will mainly provide insights into Hussein's rule. ''This stuff needs to be laid bare because it helps the democratic process in Iraq, like it did in South Africa, like it did in Germany," he said.

This is from the Boston Globe US Puts Iraqi Documents On The Web

124 posted on 03/21/2006 6:58:37 PM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: jveritas

This is a big deal! Why isn't the MSM shouting this stuff off the rooftops? It's so frustrating.


125 posted on 03/21/2006 9:52:55 PM PST by joseph20
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To: jveritas

that's not a smoking gun.. that's a smoking meteorite impact crater.. and the dems standing all around it looking the other way.. lmao


126 posted on 03/21/2006 11:21:21 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: jveritas

PING


127 posted on 03/22/2006 12:50:40 AM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: jveritas
First let us establish the fact that the document start admitting that there were foreign Arab Feedaeyeens i.e. "terrorists" in Iraq before the war.

I don't see that the translation states there are foreign Fedayeen currently living in Iraq. It could be talking about how to train them if they ever do come to Iraq.

Second this document is about making a very intensive course within a week so it is easy and very possible to train hundreds if not thousands of these Arab terrorists to become suicide bombers in a short period of time.

Agreed.

There is no way the foreign terrorists can organize, get safe houses, establish weapons cache, know the area very well, get some local protection and support, and have done all this after we liberated Iraq. Many of them were there before the war and they were sheltered and trained by Saddam regime.

That is my understanding as well, that thousands of foreign fighters were trained at Salman Pak and two other training camps within Iraq. But I don't think the translation of this document proves that anyone was sheltered or trained. Here's how I read the translation, and how an antiwar activist will probably read it:

Recommendation on how to use the Arab Feedaeyeens (Suicide Martyrs)

This is the title of the document. It could be a contingency plan in case suicide martyrs ever come to Iraq seeking training.

1. Supervision for training and usage
Formation of a devoted commission headed by...

The commission has not yet been formed. The document recommends formation of the commission.

2. The Training Course
The commission will prepare a very intensive training course...

The training course has not yet been prepared. The document recommends preparation of the training course.

A. The Explosives
All the explosives and its attachments will be provided by the Directory of Military Engineering.

No explosives and accessories have yet been provided. The document recommends providing explosives and accessories.

B . The Cars
All the cars and motorcycles that will be used in fulfilling the duties will be provided by the Department of Armament and Equipping.

No cars and motorcycles have yet been provided. The document recommends providing cars and motorcycles.

C. The Camels
Will be provided by the Directory of General Military Intelligence.

No camels have yet been provided. The document recommends providing camels.

D. Light Weapons
The Kalashnikoff rifles and the hand grenades will be provided by the Department of Armament and Equipping.

No rifles or hand grenades have yet been provided. The document recommends providing rifles and hand grenades.

I'm as eager as anyone to point to these translated documents as evidence of the existence of WMD, and Al Qaeda's ties to Saddam Hussein, and everything else we've been saying for years but haven't been able to prove. But I don't think this document proves anything other than the fact that some unspecified person was making plans to train foreign fighters in Iraq at some time in the future.

Thanks again for your hard work in translating these documents. I'm sure there are thousands of people waiting breathlessly to see what else you can find. Free Republic truly is an amazing place.

128 posted on 03/22/2006 6:35:27 AM PST by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: My2Cents
Someone needs to write a book about all of these document revelations, as a means of summarizing what's being discovered.



50 posted on 03/21/2006 1:12:42 PM EST by My2Cents



The only way people will read it in mass if its printed in Hustler, National Enquirer, O, or by JK Rawlings...sad but true.
129 posted on 03/22/2006 8:56:29 AM PST by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas.... I can't wait for the next Evolution.)
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To: MizSterious
why don't you email some of this stuff to Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and, for that matter, your local newspaper?

Very good idea... there used to be email lists around this forum for just that type of undertaking. Does any one know if there are any lists floating around here anymore. The lists were very good, media and Congress.

130 posted on 03/22/2006 9:25:03 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: jveritas

I emailed a regional radio guy.

He'll probably air it tomorrow or the next day.

I also emailed Hugh Hewitt. He's monitoring Hayes's stuff at the Standard on his blog. He has resources to do follow up as well.

I'll start pumping Rush and Hannity tomorrow.

Thanks for your work on this stuff.


131 posted on 03/22/2006 10:25:10 AM PST by GEC
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To: GEC

Thank you for doing this.


132 posted on 03/22/2006 11:18:12 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thank you for posting this.

BUMP


133 posted on 03/22/2006 11:20:29 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: jveritas

So this is what you were busy doing when I pinged you a couple of days ago. Great work!


134 posted on 03/22/2006 1:26:46 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew

Sorry for not answering the ping :)


135 posted on 03/22/2006 1:47:21 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

What you were doing was very important!


136 posted on 03/22/2006 1:55:26 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: jveritas

Saddam had no connection to terrorists because if he did then Bush didn't lie and everyone knows that Bush lied. Halliburton must have created these documents.


137 posted on 03/23/2006 9:59:31 AM PST by TBP
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To: jveritas

I began reporting this program soon after Baghdad fell, using my Marine grunt and specops sources on the ground at places like Salman Pak. I am glad to see more documentation backing up my original reports.

Gunny Bob
Host, the "Gunny Bob Show"
Newsradio 850 KOA


138 posted on 03/24/2006 7:24:15 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: jveritas

May I have your permission to post your translation on my show's site? With accredidation, of course.

Email: gunnybob@850koa.com


139 posted on 03/24/2006 7:28:48 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

Absolutely, let us spread the truth. I really appreciate that you are helping in spreading the truth.


140 posted on 03/24/2006 8:28:12 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
to focus of using the explosive material in the body, in motorcycle, in cars, and in camels,

In camels? Were they to blow up when the common soldiers had their way with said camels. (Projecting the behavior of Iraqi troops onto Coalition troops?).

I don't think you want to be around when explosives go off *inside* a camel.

141 posted on 03/24/2006 10:04:58 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Mike Darancette
But they are wearing the suicide belts and I thought Feedaeyeen Saddam didn't

Those don't appear to be suicide vests. They appear to be standard chest pouches for AK-47 magazines. Used, with variations, where ever the AK is found.

142 posted on 03/24/2006 12:06:22 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Tarantulas

Just a friendly note since I am writing a column about these documents, including this one.

I also read it the way you did since it clearly says recommendation....there is no evidence this was ordered by Saddam or anybody in govt. It was a recommendation.

HOWEVER, at least some of it was carried out since another document on April 4 hands down an order directly from Saddam to treat these Arab fedayeen the same as Iraqi forces.

It is a big deal still.


143 posted on 04/25/2006 11:44:41 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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