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Europeans should beware of wishing for US failure in Iraq
The Guardian (UK) ^ | March 21, 2006 | by Francis Fukuyama

Posted on 03/21/2006 10:08:20 AM PST by aculeus

Many opponents of the Iraq war both in the US and Europe have felt a not-so-secret sense of schadenfreude at the developing chaos in Iraq. While many might intellectually support the emergence of a stable, democratic, pro-western government in Baghdad, "success" in this matter would be seen as a vindication of all of the baggage that the Bush administration loaded on to this project, including its unilateralism, use of force and incompetent execution of the war's aftermath. Many would therefore be happy seeing Washington suffer a setback, to deter such interventions in the future.

But people should be careful what they wish for. A domestic nationalist backlash against the policies that led to the war is brewing, with implications for how the US will deal with Europe and the rest of the world down the road. Like it or not, American power and involvement are necessary to the proper functioning of world order, and the kind of role that a post-Iraq United States may play is very much up for grabs.

Two recent events constitute straws in the wind. After the protests and embassy-burnings over the Danish cartoons, no major US newspaper was willing to publish the cartoons, and most editorialists took a holier-thanthou attitude to those European papers that did. While one might question the prudence of publishing the cartoons, the violent reaction was a clear case of intimidation, in many cases officially sanctioned, and few Americans criticised the protests or stood up for the right of free speech. Many seemed to feel a certain satisfaction that this time Europeans rather than Americans were feeling Muslim wrath.

The second, and more egregious, case was the successful blocking by the US Congress of the purchase by Dubai Ports World of a British company that operates six US ports.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: 3rdanniversary; fukuyama; iraq

1 posted on 03/21/2006 10:08:22 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus
War is the normal state of human civilization.

It's the peaceful periods of history that are rare.

Europeans are dunces!

2 posted on 03/21/2006 10:10:48 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: aculeus
no major US newspaper was willing to publish the cartoons

Untrue - I know at least the Philadelphia Inquirer published them.

3 posted on 03/21/2006 10:11:27 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: aculeus
the developing chaos in Iraq

What developing chaos in Iraq?

4 posted on 03/21/2006 10:16:05 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Peace historically is a time for R&R. Rearming and resupplying.


5 posted on 03/21/2006 10:19:59 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: aculeus

Francis Fukuyama is a meathead.


6 posted on 03/21/2006 10:23:58 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: RexBeach
Francis Fukuyama is a meathead.

LMAO. Brevity is the soul of wit. :)
7 posted on 03/21/2006 10:28:25 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Thanks! I'm glad it gave you a laugh. Me, too!


8 posted on 03/21/2006 10:31:01 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: aculeus

It getting harder to read what coming out of Europe. As the muslim population grows, so does their voice, which drowns out the voices of Non- Muslim Europeons, which may actually want the US to smack down as many "radical Islamists" as they can.

But, considering the unrest happening in France right now, with Muslim's burning 80 or so cars a week still, and now young marxists demanding welfare like job security, and jobs in general that pay executive wages for a philosophy major graduate, and burning a fair number of cars themselves, I don't think they are concerned at all over Iraq, and as their situation worsens, their concerns over Iraq will become non-existant as the general strike slowly destroys what's left of their economy and plunges them into a resesion, and possibly a civil war of their own with the muslim population.


9 posted on 03/21/2006 10:31:05 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: aculeus

Hey, I thought all history ended in the early 1990s after the Soviet bloc collapsed...oh wait!


10 posted on 03/21/2006 10:32:23 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: xzins

Chaos is a form of order.


11 posted on 03/21/2006 10:52:42 AM PST by GSlob
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To: aculeus
Wow! The French and Germans must be about to crap their pants with fear when the Guardian starts to sympathize with America.

Glad they are seeing "the light" but it's getting a bit late. You should have paid more attention in the beginning.

So, a policy of "hate America" might not be a good idea? Well no DUH! Tough donuts liberal Euro weenies if your political stance causes you a problem. Blame yourself for it. Not us.

12 posted on 03/21/2006 11:02:40 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller

The French and Germans must be about to crap their pants with fear when the Guardian starts to sympathize with America.

Just what I was thinking as well. The guardian seems to parrot the socialist lines only, but then we have this? Are they waking up now to the islamist threat within?


13 posted on 03/21/2006 11:23:15 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Hey, I thought all history ended in the early 1990s after the Soviet bloc collapsed...oh wait!

Not to worry. He'll just write another book.

14 posted on 03/21/2006 11:39:36 AM PST by aculeus
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To: GSlob
Chaos is a form of order.

Print it. Frame it. Market it to teenagers to hang in their room.

15 posted on 03/21/2006 11:42:41 AM PST by aculeus
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

It's an honor to meet someone who understands history!


16 posted on 03/21/2006 12:07:31 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: himom
My French friends are feeling the same. I will tell you the biggest complaint is about Christmas. Nobody can celebrate Christmas the way they used to anymore.

The media in all countries keep pounding away at Christians. The only difference in the US is that we are winning against the Media.

18 posted on 03/21/2006 12:24:05 PM PST by Earthdweller
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To: himom

Wow! Our media is a pack of seditious, mendacious jackals. I cannot imagine what yours must be like.


20 posted on 03/21/2006 12:35:45 PM PST by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: himom

My spouse and I are taking what we call "one last trip" to Europe soon. One stop will be Berlin. Americans are concerned about Europe more than you know. Take care friend. I hope you see better days.


21 posted on 03/21/2006 12:47:10 PM PST by Earthdweller
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To: aculeus
Don't we still have troops maintaining the "peace" in the Balkans? Don't these people understand that we have no more reason to continue that "six-months" deployment than we do to continue in Iraq, in fact, probably less.
23 posted on 03/21/2006 12:54:27 PM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Europe has not learned from the failure of Pacifism as Nazi Germany gained time to prepare for invasion against European countries. Kantism is partially to be blamed for this.
24 posted on 03/21/2006 5:00:50 PM PST by Wiz
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

John Locke mentioned the rights for revolution by the people. In modern days, the advantages of the dictatorship with strong military threats the chance of success, which US will need to act as a proxy to guarantee the rights of revolution by force.


25 posted on 03/21/2006 5:08:24 PM PST by Wiz
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To: aculeus

Poor Francis. He just can't get over how the moslems reminded him that he somehow overlooked a billion-plus savages in his stupid adolescent fantasy "The End of History."


26 posted on 03/21/2006 6:04:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: aculeus
While many rightly blamed George Bush for creating a general fear of Arabs and terrorism...

Huh?

27 posted on 03/21/2006 7:19:11 PM PST by secretagent
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To: himom

Gruss Gott minen freund.

Stay safe.


28 posted on 03/21/2006 7:26:10 PM PST by knews_hound (Now with two handed typing !)
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