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Man did not rescue child for fear of 'pervert' slur
Scotsman ^ | 3/21/06

Posted on 03/21/2006 6:38:34 PM PST by iPod Shuffle

Man did not rescue child for fear of 'pervert' slur

ALEX CORNELIUS

A BRICKLAYER who passed a toddler walking alone in a village shortly before her fatal fall into a pond said yesterday he did not stop to help in case people thought he was trying to abduct her.

Clive Peachey, from Cornwall, told an inquest jury in Stratford-upon-Avon that he had passed two-year-old girl, Abby Rae, in his van shortly after 10am on 28 November, 2002.

This was just moments after the toddler disappeared from the Ready Teddy Go nursery in the Warwickshire village of Lower Brailes, according to staff.

Abby was found an hour later in an algae-covered garden pond and rescued by her mother, Victoria Rae.

She was taken to Birmingham Children's Hospital by air ambulance but was pronounced dead.

Mr Peachey, of Liskeard, told the inquest he had passed the little girl as she tottered towards the road in High Street.

He said: "I kept thinking I should go back. The reason I didn't go back was because I thought people might think I was trying to abduct her.

"I was convinced her parents were driving around and had found her."

Mrs Rae, 36, wept as Mr Peachey gave his evidence to the packed hearing.

She had earlier read emotionally from a statement as she relived the moment she dragged her daughter from the pond.

Two nursery employees had gone into the garden during their search but told the inquest they did not see the pond because it was covered in green vegetation.

The inquest was adjourned until today.


TOPICS: United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: child; childabuse; children; drowning; innocentadult; innocentman; innocentuntilguilty; innocentwoman; nogooddeed; predator; register; registeredoffender; reputation; ruinedreputation; sexoffender; sexualabuse; sexualpredator
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1 posted on 03/21/2006 6:38:36 PM PST by iPod Shuffle
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To: iPod Shuffle
Let's see, live girl and busted reputation, or dead girl and busted reputation?

Stupid decision.

2 posted on 03/21/2006 6:41:17 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: iPod Shuffle

This story is so tragic, yet I understand his thinking.


3 posted on 03/21/2006 6:41:23 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Billthedrill

Still, in this day and age, can you fuly blame him?


4 posted on 03/21/2006 6:41:54 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: iPod Shuffle

Weird story i bet theres alot more to this than meets the eye I will stay tuned thanks


5 posted on 03/21/2006 6:42:08 PM PST by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Still, in this day and age, can you fuly blame him?

Are you really looking for an answer?

6 posted on 03/21/2006 6:42:49 PM PST by TankerKC (Pull your head out.)
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To: Billthedrill
Stupid decision.

All the bad ones are, in hindsight.

7 posted on 03/21/2006 6:43:34 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: iPod Shuffle

A very sad story. The responsibility for the little girls death must be shared by every child molestor that ever lived.


8 posted on 03/21/2006 6:43:40 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: iPod Shuffle

About a year and a half ago, I was involved in an incident like this. Driving through a residential neighborhood early in the morning, I came across a small boy about 5-6 years old, obviously lost and confused. I pulled over and asked him where he lived so that I could take him home. Then I realized that if I put him into my car, I would probably have a lot of explaining to do. Fortunately I had a cellphone so I called 911. A police car showed up and I explained what had happened. The police officer looked at me very suspiciously and asked me a lot of questions before he finally let me go. I have no idea how the child got home but I'm thinking I made a wise choice not to get more actively involved in the situation.


9 posted on 03/21/2006 6:44:46 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Venus is dazzling, but not very high, in the western sky)
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To: iPod Shuffle

That is a cop out.


10 posted on 03/21/2006 6:45:30 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Billthedrill

I disagree. It was not stupid. Just sad.

I see exactly why he did what he did. THAT is what demonization of men has done.


11 posted on 03/21/2006 6:45:36 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Graybeard58

And a society that forgets "innocent until proven guilty" and declares guilt on the 24 hour news networks.

Very sad for the girl :(


12 posted on 03/21/2006 6:46:02 PM PST by Nova442 ("Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War.")
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To: iPod Shuffle

In France, he would have been arrested. In France, there is a legal duty to aid others, and it is a crime not to.

Not so in Anglo-Saxia.


13 posted on 03/21/2006 6:46:44 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Still, in this day and age, can you fuly blame him?

If the man had a cell phone, he could have called Police, or he could have immediately alerted others to the child and let them call police.

14 posted on 03/21/2006 6:46:54 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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To: iPod Shuffle

Stop child, call police, end of story


16 posted on 03/21/2006 6:47:44 PM PST by usmcobra (I always sing Karaoke the way it is meant to be sung, drunk, badly, and in Japanese)
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To: iPod Shuffle

Had he helped the child and one person screamed J'accuse! he'd be on Greta Van Susteren or Nancy Grace's show faster than you can say satellite uplink.


17 posted on 03/21/2006 6:48:29 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: iPod Shuffle

How sad that we have come to this.


18 posted on 03/21/2006 6:48:40 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (Tour guide goddess)
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To: usmcobra

bttt


19 posted on 03/21/2006 6:49:01 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Billthedrill

No, just a terrible indictment of what has come to be!
When anyone has to weigh political correctness against right and wrong, it is a sorry state of affairs!
Have you, personally, got the balls, to do right, in the face of all adversity? How much of your secure life, are you willing to risk?


20 posted on 03/21/2006 6:49:32 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: Vicomte13
In France, there is a legal duty to aid others, and it is a crime not to.

Tell that to the French Jews who were deported to Auschwitz without a peep of protest from the French.

21 posted on 03/21/2006 6:49:34 PM PST by iPod Shuffle
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To: SamAdams76

This is the cost of being an "evil white male".


22 posted on 03/21/2006 6:49:36 PM PST by glorgau
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

>>>Have you, personally, got the balls, to do right, in the face of all adversity?

Real men do.

They don't stop and look for public opinion for justification and security in their actions.


23 posted on 03/21/2006 6:51:09 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: iPod Shuffle

Why not hold the girl in broad daylight and ask somebody passing by to call the police? I would have stopped if I saw a two year old running around unsupervised.


24 posted on 03/21/2006 6:51:43 PM PST by southwilby
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To: iPod Shuffle

60 years ago. Not relavent to the present discussion.


25 posted on 03/21/2006 6:52:12 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: SamAdams76

sign of the times...


26 posted on 03/21/2006 6:52:47 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: SamAdams76

At my age.......that would never happen to me. No cop would think twice.....


27 posted on 03/21/2006 6:53:05 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Graybeard58

Very good point.


28 posted on 03/21/2006 6:53:09 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR)
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To: SamAdams76

No good deed goes unpunished.
Bank on it.


29 posted on 03/21/2006 6:54:13 PM PST by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: Billthedrill
Let's see, live girl and busted reputation, or dead girl and busted reputation?

But to know those were the choices he'd've had to know the future.

30 posted on 03/21/2006 6:55:30 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: SamAdams76
Similar thing happened to my wife several years ago. Morons who live behind me let their 2 year old kid out naked and crying running down the street. My wife wasn't sure whose child it was, but suspected it was the people behind us. She and her best friend debated helping the child directly, but called the cops instead. The cop was a little annoyed, asking them why didn't you help the child? They told him, you'd have to be out of your mind to even touch someone else's naked child in this day and age, no matter his or her condition.

It's brutal, but I can't argue it. I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to get caught up in a modern suburban version of a Kafka novel.

31 posted on 03/21/2006 6:56:16 PM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: iPod Shuffle

That's so sad.

I can somewhat understand his position. The local neighbor girls who must be under 10 or so run a lemonade stand and hang out outside my drive since my road is dead end. Once a year, I stop by and buy it, but I find myself reluctant to do more because I don't want anyone to suggest I've taken interest in the children. I'd protect them to the death from perverts but if something were ever to happen, I'll be damned if someone suggests "well that guy seems to be around them all the time". Sad state of affairs.

I do look out for them. If I ever saw something odd, I'd intervene or call the cops, but I pretty much won't interact with them except very rarely.




32 posted on 03/21/2006 7:00:42 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Hardastarboard

"you'd have to be out of your mind to even touch someone else's naked child in this day and age, no matter his or her condition."

Oh yeah? I still remember a murder more than thirty years ago, a l0 year old girl who escaped from her kidnapper and went running naked along a highway - many motorists saw her and didn't stop - "I thought she was using the bathroom or something" - kidnapper caught her again and finished the job.

For God's sake, help the child. Wrap the child in a towel, sit on your front porch and wait for the police.

Mrs VS


33 posted on 03/21/2006 7:03:56 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Kimmers

I completely understand his thinking. My husband, who loves kids (we have five), has been very stand-offish towards little kids for this very reason.
A very, very sad situation.


34 posted on 03/21/2006 7:05:58 PM PST by It's me
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To: VeritatisSplendor

You got it. If doing the right thing was easy and without risk, we'd all do it all the time.


35 posted on 03/21/2006 7:07:34 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: A.J.Armitage; Calpernia
No, with all respect, he wouldn't. He would have had to face the possibility that he could be falsely accused and go to jail in favor of saving a child's life. Yes, it's a raw deal and "society" is to blame, yada yada, but the kid isn't.

I shall echo Calpernia - Real men do.

36 posted on 03/21/2006 7:09:09 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: It's me
My husband, who loves kids (we have five), has been very stand-offish towards little kids for this very reason.

When I am home alone on Halloween, which is often the case, I don't answer the door to the little trick or treaters.

37 posted on 03/21/2006 7:10:52 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Nova442

Actually 'innocent until proven guilty' only means that during trial the prosecution has to make the case of your guilt. In other words, you don't have to make the case that you are innocent.

Many believe it to be that you should not be under suspicion if you are arrested. However, if people really believed that the police were in the habit of arresting innocent people, there would be revolt against police corruption.


38 posted on 03/21/2006 7:11:07 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: SamAdams76

I had some random four to five year old child show up on my doorstep, just about out in the middle of nowhere, around 11:30pm this past Halloween. I had a bit of a personal crisis deciding what to do with it.. :)

In any case, I told her to (a) keep her distance; and (b) hang out on the deck while I called 9/11. She proceeded to cry while she did that. *sigh* The cop that showed up very suspiciously took down an incident report (and absurdly asked if he could come in while he did it ... um, no). So, to make the long story short, I can certainly understand this guy's thinking.

PS. And I also made a point of getting the cop's info and calling the PD afterward to inform them of who took the child and when. My motto is: Trust no one!


39 posted on 03/21/2006 7:12:21 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: Billthedrill

I am very saddened (to coin a phrase) to see how many would need to make an 'ology of this.

Study the situation, take a poll, create focus groups....

'What would be the popular opinion?'

Sickening.


40 posted on 03/21/2006 7:12:49 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: iPod Shuffle

The best approach is to begin to help and bring in other adults as they become available.


41 posted on 03/21/2006 7:13:12 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: SamAdams76

Then again, I tend to underestimate kid's ages, so she might've been six or seven.


42 posted on 03/21/2006 7:18:54 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: AntiGuv

Well, 7 would be a real surprise - let's just say 4-6! LOL


43 posted on 03/21/2006 7:19:31 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: Billthedrill

Hindsight is perfect, eh?


44 posted on 03/21/2006 7:22:02 PM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: AntiGuv

I understand.

Years ago my wife and I had a 3 year old foster daughter. We took her to a park one day and she walked in front of another kid on a swing and got kicked in the chin causing her to bite her tongue.

Not a terribly serious injury but she just wouldn't stop bleeding. We took her to the emergency room and I was holding her, we were both covered with blood and it looked terrible. She was calm by then and the nurses wanted me to step out of the room. I knew the purpose of that, they wanted to ask her if the big bad man had abused her.

They had to call it quits in that effort because every time I got out of her sight she wouldn't stop screaming for me and they were unable to question her because of it.


45 posted on 03/21/2006 7:22:36 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Michael.SF.

If IFS and BUTS were HOS and SLUTS we'd all have AIDS.

This was truly a horrible decision by the guy.


46 posted on 03/21/2006 7:23:39 PM PST by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: iPod Shuffle
People are crazy and times are strange
I’m locked in tight, I’m outta range
I used to care, but things have changed.

(Bob Dylan Things Have Changed)

47 posted on 03/21/2006 7:26:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: iPod Shuffle
This even happened to me quite a few years ago. A little girl was standing on a corner, barely having learned to walk, looked less than 2 yrs. I didn't want to put her in my car or lead her off by the hand, so I left her standing there and went knocking on doors. I found the mother and told her her child was out (I was afraid she would try to cross and get hit) and maybe there were older kids who were supposed to be watching her who ran off.

The mother acted kind of like I was crazy. That was before cell phones and reporting everything to child protective services.

I used to get away from my mother a lot when I was little (hyperactive), and kind strangers always "rescued" me. Once they stood me on a display table in a department store where there were a lot of people milling around. Finally my mother spotted me among the fuss. Even at that young age, I was embarassed.

It is horrible that it has come to this. A little girl fell through the bleachers at a race (I saw that happen once myself at a stock car race) and was bleeding badly. My son grabbed her and ran with her to an ambulance he had seen near the entrance of the track. I suppose that is different, but I think the father (who was kind of stunned) didn't know what to do and appreciated the help.

He knows how careful he has to be because I drummed it into his head when he was still at home. With women it isn't quite as bad, but it is still a problem.

48 posted on 03/21/2006 7:30:28 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Graybeard58

I did follow up on it and found out the girl had been with some group of kids in a car and had evidently wandered off a couple hours earlier when the rest went up to a door, along with the chaperone. Then, they drove off without realizing the girl had fled and couldn't find her when they went back soon thereafter.

As for when she was up on my deck, she pretty much cried the whole time so all I got out of her was that she was alone and lost, which was easy enough to see anyhow, not that I cared to ask many questions to begin with. I just wanted it to go away with minimal drama. :)

PS. I really do like kids; I'm just not stupid..


49 posted on 03/21/2006 7:34:34 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: Revolting cat!

A personal story. Several years ago my wife and I went to the White Mountains of New Hampshire to see the plume (?spelling). We were with friends. There was a little girl near the rushing water crying she was lost. I picked her up, sent my wife and friends ahead and behind to see if they could find her parents. Her father came to me and looked at me hatefully. He took her from me, turned and walked away, never saying anything to me. I am a grandfather, blessed with 10 little ones, and I would be reluctant to help now. I know I would but I would still be concerned!


50 posted on 03/21/2006 7:35:28 PM PST by AZFolks
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