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Pulled over in Kansas? Get ready to show your license, registration — and fingerprints
Kansas City Star ^ | 3/22/06 | BENITA Y. WILLIAMS

Posted on 03/22/2006 11:08:37 AM PST by Rebelbase

If you are stopped by police in Kansas, don’t be surprised if the officer pulls out a little black box and takes your fingerprints.

The gadget allows officers to identify people by fingerprints without hauling them to the police station.

Over the next year the Kansas Bureau of Investigation will test 60 of the devices with law enforcement agencies around the state. State officials said similar tests are being planned for New York, Milwaukee and Hawaii.

“This is definitely new,” said Gary Page, Overland Park Police Department crime lab. “It’s been talked about, but as far as I know they are not in use anywhere in the metro.”

The tests in Kansas are part of a bigger $3.6 million upgrade to the KBI’s statewide fingerprint database, unveiled Tuesday by the KBI and Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline.

■ The system:

Called the Automatic Fingerprint Identification System, it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas. The Missouri Highway Patrol maintains a similar database. Both systems link to the FBI fingerprint database.

■ How it works:

In Kansas, 54 law enforcement agencies have traded the ink-and-paper fingerprinting method for biometric imaging, which electronically scans a digital image of the print. Sixty Missouri agencies use biometric scanning. Police also can scan the fingers of corpses and people they arrest to match them against prints in the system. Results are obtained in seconds instead of hours. The inked cards still used by some smaller departments are also scanned into the statewide systems.

■ Why upgrade?

Kansas could no longer locate replacement parts or anyone to service the old system, which was launched in 1990 and upgraded in 1998. The first phase was funded with a $752,000 homeland security grant. The KBI is applying for similar grants to pay the balance. All upgrades should be completed by January 2007.

■ The portable devices:

Police place a person’s two index fingers on a screen. Wireless technology sends the image to the database for comparison. Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4a; 4thamendment; bigbrother; brownshirts; donutwatch; fingerprints; fourthamendment; guilty; leoabuse; papersplease; police; policestate; tillproveninnocent
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This should fill the gap until the chip implants are mandatory.
1 posted on 03/22/2006 11:08:41 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

It's like the 1930's in Nazi Germany.

"PAPERS"


2 posted on 03/22/2006 11:11:39 AM PST by Orlando (Do away with 42/666 ( The Bradley Amendment is a father killer))
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To: Rebelbase
Like I even needed another reason not to go to Kansas.
(Sorry, Kansas FReepers)
3 posted on 03/22/2006 11:15:32 AM PST by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: Rebelbase
Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.

Anyone believing this should check themselves into protective custody, before they seriously injure themselves.

4 posted on 03/22/2006 11:15:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: Rebelbase
The first phase was funded with a $752,000 homeland security grant

And on another thread NYC is getting 500 cameras with millions in grant funds. Add this up around the country and it is a good chunk of change.

5 posted on 03/22/2006 11:17:55 AM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: Rebelbase

Calm down everybody. This only happens to you if you respond to the officer in English.


6 posted on 03/22/2006 11:18:44 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Rebelbase
Wonder if Fred Phelps will protest?

Nahh

7 posted on 03/22/2006 11:18:55 AM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: DoughtyOne

Notice it says the prints taken in the field will not be stored. Yet, the prints are wired in and are stored on a database.

I guess in newspeak, a database is not a storage medium.


8 posted on 03/22/2006 11:19:47 AM PST by hattend (Democrats have no grassroots coalition, they have nutroots (thanks PJ-Comix))
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To: Rebelbase
it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas.

Not bad for a state boasting a total population of about 2.2 million.

9 posted on 03/22/2006 11:20:07 AM PST by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Exactly. If you have a valid license, this seems an unnecessary intrusion. If it weeds out Illegals, I'm all for it. I'm quite sure it will not be used for anything that productive though.


10 posted on 03/22/2006 11:20:14 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Rebelbase
Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.

I call bullshit on that one.

11 posted on 03/22/2006 11:20:41 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Rebelbase
Called the Automatic Fingerprint Identification System, it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas.

And if you aren't in the database already, you will be...

Texas has already made it a requirement of DL renewal to submit fingerprints.

The Keystone Kops still can't catch the crack dealers up the street.

12 posted on 03/22/2006 11:22:43 AM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: DoughtyOne

Ear lobe implants, anyone ?


13 posted on 03/22/2006 11:22:45 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: beltfed308

It seems like a lot more money and effort is put into identifying and successfully prosecuting routine traffic violations then crimes involving identity theft and credit card fraud.


14 posted on 03/22/2006 11:23:14 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Rebelbase

"Prints scanned in the field will not be stored."

Yeah, right.


15 posted on 03/22/2006 11:24:17 AM PST by Tucson_AZ
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To: Rebelbase
The first phase was funded with a $752,000 homeland security absurdity grant (also known as the taxpayers' money)
16 posted on 03/22/2006 11:25:38 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Easier to get scofflaws to pay their taxes, er fines, than to prosecute criminals.


17 posted on 03/22/2006 11:25:53 AM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
It seems like a lot more money and effort is put into identifying and successfully prosecuting routine traffic violations then crimes involving identity theft and credit card fraud.

Revenue is the driving force on all these schemes as well as cataloging citizens.

18 posted on 03/22/2006 11:28:23 AM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: Orlando
It's like the 1930's in Nazi Germany. "PAPERS"

"Your papers are ... not in order..."
19 posted on 03/22/2006 11:28:34 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Rebelbase

I saw this while on a tour of a Melbourne defense contractor about 3 years ago. They were saying that it would be in police cars all across the country eventually. Guess they were right.


20 posted on 03/22/2006 11:29:32 AM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: reagan_fanatic

I am waiting for the "if you have nothing to hide" crowd to show up.


21 posted on 03/22/2006 11:29:35 AM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Great thing about the different gadgets these departments buy, add up the money paid and the vendor is making some good change (even if eventually the devices are not used in the field).

A few years ago there was some connected contractor who got some gadgets into schools that "could detect" drugs in a student's locker. Junk science but someone made some money (I don't have the recall to find the article in the Houston Press archives).


22 posted on 03/22/2006 11:30:49 AM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: beltfed308
I am waiting for the "if you have nothing to hide" crowd to show up.

I think they're hiding.

23 posted on 03/22/2006 11:32:10 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Rebelbase

"He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints."


24 posted on 03/22/2006 11:32:13 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Rage is the fuel that powers the islamic machine)
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To: Rebelbase
Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.

At first.

25 posted on 03/22/2006 11:40:25 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006)
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To: weegee; All

How to fake fingerprints

http://www.ccc.de/biometrie/fingerabdruck_kopieren.xml?language=en

http://www.deeperwants.com/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/000048.html


26 posted on 03/22/2006 11:47:49 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: Rebelbase

What is next DNA?

This idea will cause some felons on the run to flee, kill a cop or avoid going through Kansas.


27 posted on 03/22/2006 11:48:07 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Rebelbase
Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.

Yeah, um hmm. Suuuuree they wont..

28 posted on 03/22/2006 11:48:59 AM PST by cardinal4 (David Gregory-the John Kerry of the Media Elite)
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To: Rebelbase
This should fill the gap until the chip implants are mandatory.

well said.
29 posted on 03/22/2006 11:50:58 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Rebelbase

Just emailed the Kansas Cosmosphere. That's a space museum I've been wanting to visit this summer. Told them why I've changed my travel plans over this and why I'll never set foot in their Nazi state.


30 posted on 03/22/2006 11:51:08 AM PST by Bookie1066
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To: Pablo64
Like I even needed another reason not to go to Kansas.

LOL. It's mutual, pal. There is no reason for me to go to Nebraska. LOL.

31 posted on 03/22/2006 11:51:13 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: Rebelbase

What's the matter, they still searching for Toto?


32 posted on 03/22/2006 11:58:08 AM PST by auboy
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To: Rebelbase
Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.

Uh huh. And firearms background check requests will be destroyed within 48 hours.

Oh, wait ...

33 posted on 03/22/2006 12:02:02 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Lurking in Kansas; Pablo64

Howdy boys
Here's two (mis)quotes, correct as you wish, both Clint Eastwood movies:

"I thought I'd died and gone to hell, but I was only in Nebraska." Little Bill, (Gene Hackman) `Unforgiven'

"You can find three things in Kansas: sunshine, sunflowers and sons-of-bitches." Clint himself, `The Outlaw Josie Wales'

**Both fine states--red, purple--good football, good people**


34 posted on 03/22/2006 12:06:30 PM PST by tumblindice (Me? Indiana, where we're always asking each other, "Hoosier daddy?")
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To: Rebelbase

Kansas...hmm...let me see...the last time I was in Kansas was....NEVER.


35 posted on 03/22/2006 12:07:00 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Orlando

I see fingerprints being taken at the supermarket these days.


36 posted on 03/22/2006 12:07:34 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: NeonKnight
Not bad for a state boasting a total population of about 2.2 million

it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested kidnapped by government revenue agents in Kansas.

There. Fixed it.

37 posted on 03/22/2006 12:07:37 PM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

And the 8 X 10 glossy photographs with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one...


38 posted on 03/22/2006 12:08:38 PM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Rebelbase

Officer: License and Registration, please. Oh, yes, and place your right index finger on this little pad.

Motorist: Why are you taking my fingerprints?

Officer: One moment sir. Just sit tight. I'll be back.

Officer: Mr. Smith, the reason I pulled you over today is that you have a spot of mud on your license plate. However, your fingerprints came back as belonging to a James R. Smith, who is 3 days late on a child support payment. Please step out of the vehicle and place your hands on the roof of the vehicle.

Motorist: But I mailed the check a week ago. I must protest this arrest.

Officer: Are you resisting arrest, sir? [tases driver, then drags him out of the car]

Officer: Incidentally, sir, your vehicle has been seized by the State of Kansas for non-payment of child support. It will be towed and auctioned. Please watch your head....and sit quietly.


39 posted on 03/22/2006 12:12:25 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Rebelbase

Most of you disagree with this tactic, but I think it has value. Think of all the cold cases that could be solved and all the wanted scum walking around that can't reasonably be picked up otherwise.


40 posted on 03/22/2006 12:13:31 PM PST by D-Chivas
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To: Rebelbase

Welcome to the 21st century`where rapidly advancing technology makes it easier than ever for politicians to gradually create a police state without actually calling it that. But don't worry, I'm sure the officer will be friendly and personable so long as you comply without hesitance.


41 posted on 03/22/2006 12:15:32 PM PST by Firefigher NC (You light ‘em, we fight ‘em!)
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To: D-Chivas

"Most of you disagree with this tactic, but I think it has value. Think of all the cold cases that could be solved and all the wanted scum walking around that can't reasonably be picked up otherwise."

It's for the children, right?


42 posted on 03/22/2006 12:16:24 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Orlando
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43 posted on 03/22/2006 12:17:10 PM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: MineralMan
...the last time I was in Kansas was....NEVER.

And we thank you.

44 posted on 03/22/2006 12:17:10 PM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
It seems like a lot more money and effort is put into identifying and successfully prosecuting routine traffic violations then crimes involving identity theft and credit card fraud.

Or even crimes like illegal invasion of the USA by land, sea and air, welfare fraud, medical fraud and other stuff.

45 posted on 03/22/2006 12:17:22 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: NeonKnight
Not bad for a state boasting a total population of about 2.2 million.

10 million fingerprints translates in Kansan to 1 million people.........

46 posted on 03/22/2006 12:18:09 PM PST by Osage Orange (Why does John McCain always smile like a mule eating cockleburrs?)
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To: NeonKnight; Osage Orange
...of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas.

Not bad for a state boasting a total population of about 2.2 million.

Yeah, we get a lot of riff-raff from Missouri.

47 posted on 03/22/2006 12:24:29 PM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: Lurking in Kansas
Yeah, we get a lot of riff-raff from Missouri.

That doesn't surprise me........( g )

Thank God...none of those Okie's darken the soil of KS.

FRegards,

48 posted on 03/22/2006 12:30:19 PM PST by Osage Orange (Why does John McCain always smile like a mule eating cockleburrs?)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
"He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."

.... You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant (except an Alice) ....

49 posted on 03/22/2006 12:31:42 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

"And we thank you."

No, thank you! Someone has to live there, I suppose, and we wouldn't want everyone there to be Fred Phelps.


50 posted on 03/22/2006 12:33:53 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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