Skip to comments.Pulled over in Kansas? Get ready to show your license, registration — and fingerprints
Posted on 03/22/2006 11:08:37 AM PST by Rebelbase
If you are stopped by police in Kansas, dont be surprised if the officer pulls out a little black box and takes your fingerprints.
The gadget allows officers to identify people by fingerprints without hauling them to the police station.
Over the next year the Kansas Bureau of Investigation will test 60 of the devices with law enforcement agencies around the state. State officials said similar tests are being planned for New York, Milwaukee and Hawaii.
This is definitely new, said Gary Page, Overland Park Police Department crime lab. Its been talked about, but as far as I know they are not in use anywhere in the metro.
The tests in Kansas are part of a bigger $3.6 million upgrade to the KBIs statewide fingerprint database, unveiled Tuesday by the KBI and Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline.
■ The system:
Called the Automatic Fingerprint Identification System, it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas. The Missouri Highway Patrol maintains a similar database. Both systems link to the FBI fingerprint database.
■ How it works:
In Kansas, 54 law enforcement agencies have traded the ink-and-paper fingerprinting method for biometric imaging, which electronically scans a digital image of the print. Sixty Missouri agencies use biometric scanning. Police also can scan the fingers of corpses and people they arrest to match them against prints in the system. Results are obtained in seconds instead of hours. The inked cards still used by some smaller departments are also scanned into the statewide systems.
■ Why upgrade?
Kansas could no longer locate replacement parts or anyone to service the old system, which was launched in 1990 and upgraded in 1998. The first phase was funded with a $752,000 homeland security grant. The KBI is applying for similar grants to pay the balance. All upgrades should be completed by January 2007.
■ The portable devices:
Police place a persons two index fingers on a screen. Wireless technology sends the image to the database for comparison. Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.
It's like the 1930's in Nazi Germany.
Anyone believing this should check themselves into protective custody, before they seriously injure themselves.
And on another thread NYC is getting 500 cameras with millions in grant funds. Add this up around the country and it is a good chunk of change.
Calm down everybody. This only happens to you if you respond to the officer in English.
Notice it says the prints taken in the field will not be stored. Yet, the prints are wired in and are stored on a database.
I guess in newspeak, a database is not a storage medium.
Not bad for a state boasting a total population of about 2.2 million.
Exactly. If you have a valid license, this seems an unnecessary intrusion. If it weeds out Illegals, I'm all for it. I'm quite sure it will not be used for anything that productive though.
I call bullshit on that one.
And if you aren't in the database already, you will be...
Texas has already made it a requirement of DL renewal to submit fingerprints.
The Keystone Kops still can't catch the crack dealers up the street.
Ear lobe implants, anyone ?
It seems like a lot more money and effort is put into identifying and successfully prosecuting routine traffic violations then crimes involving identity theft and credit card fraud.
"Prints scanned in the field will not be stored."
Easier to get scofflaws to pay their taxes, er fines, than to prosecute criminals.
Revenue is the driving force on all these schemes as well as cataloging citizens.
I saw this while on a tour of a Melbourne defense contractor about 3 years ago. They were saying that it would be in police cars all across the country eventually. Guess they were right.
I am waiting for the "if you have nothing to hide" crowd to show up.
Great thing about the different gadgets these departments buy, add up the money paid and the vendor is making some good change (even if eventually the devices are not used in the field).
A few years ago there was some connected contractor who got some gadgets into schools that "could detect" drugs in a student's locker. Junk science but someone made some money (I don't have the recall to find the article in the Houston Press archives).
I think they're hiding.
"He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."
And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints."
What is next DNA?
This idea will cause some felons on the run to flee, kill a cop or avoid going through Kansas.
Yeah, um hmm. Suuuuree they wont..
Just emailed the Kansas Cosmosphere. That's a space museum I've been wanting to visit this summer. Told them why I've changed my travel plans over this and why I'll never set foot in their Nazi state.
LOL. It's mutual, pal. There is no reason for me to go to Nebraska. LOL.
What's the matter, they still searching for Toto?
Uh huh. And firearms background check requests will be destroyed within 48 hours.
Oh, wait ...
Here's two (mis)quotes, correct as you wish, both Clint Eastwood movies:
"I thought I'd died and gone to hell, but I was only in Nebraska." Little Bill, (Gene Hackman) `Unforgiven'
"You can find three things in Kansas: sunshine, sunflowers and sons-of-bitches." Clint himself, `The Outlaw Josie Wales'
**Both fine states--red, purple--good football, good people**
Kansas...hmm...let me see...the last time I was in Kansas was....NEVER.
I see fingerprints being taken at the supermarket these days.
it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people
arrested kidnapped by government revenue agents in Kansas.
There. Fixed it.
And the 8 X 10 glossy photographs with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one...
Officer: License and Registration, please. Oh, yes, and place your right index finger on this little pad.
Motorist: Why are you taking my fingerprints?
Officer: One moment sir. Just sit tight. I'll be back.
Officer: Mr. Smith, the reason I pulled you over today is that you have a spot of mud on your license plate. However, your fingerprints came back as belonging to a James R. Smith, who is 3 days late on a child support payment. Please step out of the vehicle and place your hands on the roof of the vehicle.
Motorist: But I mailed the check a week ago. I must protest this arrest.
Officer: Are you resisting arrest, sir? [tases driver, then drags him out of the car]
Officer: Incidentally, sir, your vehicle has been seized by the State of Kansas for non-payment of child support. It will be towed and auctioned. Please watch your head....and sit quietly.
Most of you disagree with this tactic, but I think it has value. Think of all the cold cases that could be solved and all the wanted scum walking around that can't reasonably be picked up otherwise.
Welcome to the 21st century`where rapidly advancing technology makes it easier than ever for politicians to gradually create a police state without actually calling it that. But don't worry, I'm sure the officer will be friendly and personable so long as you comply without hesitance.
"Most of you disagree with this tactic, but I think it has value. Think of all the cold cases that could be solved and all the wanted scum walking around that can't reasonably be picked up otherwise."
It's for the children, right?
And we thank you.
Or even crimes like illegal invasion of the USA by land, sea and air, welfare fraud, medical fraud and other stuff.
10 million fingerprints translates in Kansan to 1 million people.........
Not bad for a state boasting a total population of about 2.2 million.
Yeah, we get a lot of riff-raff from Missouri.
That doesn't surprise me........( g )
Thank God...none of those Okie's darken the soil of KS.
.... You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant (except an Alice) ....
"And we thank you."
No, thank you! Someone has to live there, I suppose, and we wouldn't want everyone there to be Fred Phelps.