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Polygamy upsets gay activists
Kansas City Star ^ | Mar. 19, 2006 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 03/22/2006 8:01:47 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON — And now, polygamy.

With the sweetly titled HBO series “Big Love,” polygamy comes out of the closet. Under the headline “Polygamists, Unite!” Newsweek informs us of “polygamy activists emerging in the wake of the gay-marriage movement.” Says one evangelical Christian big lover: “Polygamy rights is the next civil-rights battle.”

Polygamy used to be stereotyped as the province of secretive Mormons, primitive Africans and profligate Arabs. With “Big Love” it moves to suburbia as a mere alternative lifestyle.

As Newsweek notes, these stirrings for the mainstreaming of polygamy (or, more accurately, polyamory) have their roots in the increasing legitimization of gay marriage. In an essay 10 years ago, I pointed out that it is utterly logical for polygamy rights to follow gay rights. After all, if traditional marriage is defined as the union of (1) two persons of (2) opposite gender, and if, as gay marriage advocates insist, the gender requirement is nothing but prejudice, exclusion and an arbitrary denial of one’s autonomous choices in love, then the first requirement — the number restriction (two and only two) — is a similarly arbitrary, discriminatory and indefensible denial of individual choice.

This line of argument makes gay activists furious. I can understand why they do not want to be in the same room as polygamists. But I’m not the one who put them there. Their argument does.

Blogger and author Andrew Sullivan, who had the courage to advocate gay marriage at a time when it was considered pretty crazy, has called this the “polygamy diversion,” arguing that homosexuality and polygamy are categorically different because polygamy is a mere “activity” while homosexuality is an intrinsic state that “occupies a deeper level of human consciousness.”

But this distinction between higher and lower orders of love is precisely what gay rights activists so...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: gayrights; homosexualagenda; krauthammer; pansexuals; polygamy; slipperyslope
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1 posted on 03/22/2006 8:01:49 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

What's worse: Being gay or having 8 wives? End of story.


2 posted on 03/22/2006 8:03:16 PM PST by jdm
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To: neverdem

It's less offensive than gay marriage.


3 posted on 03/22/2006 8:03:21 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: neverdem
not far behind is bestiality
4 posted on 03/22/2006 8:03:26 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: neverdem

With every wife comes another ste of inlaws. No thanks.


5 posted on 03/22/2006 8:04:02 PM PST by bad company ("Any damned fool can write a plan. It's the execution that gets you all screwed up." - James F. Hol.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Nope, child marriage comes next. It's gay marriage -> polygamy -> child marriage (NAMBLA starts acting up again at this point) -> bestiality.


6 posted on 03/22/2006 8:04:58 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: jdm

Gay or eight wives, gay or eight wives... being single isn't an option, is it? How about suicide?


7 posted on 03/22/2006 8:05:29 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: neverdem

Sodomites are fooling themselves if they think they can argue FOR the rights of the bisexual and against their right to marry someone of EACH sex. Why that would be asking him or her to deny half her/his existence... to choose a sexual preference.


8 posted on 03/22/2006 8:05:52 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: neverdem
Hollywierd has moved on to 'normalizing' the next perversion.

Doesn't that mean that the gays have won?
9 posted on 03/22/2006 8:06:03 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: neverdem
homosexuality is an intrinsic state that “occupies a deeper level of human consciousness.”

My, isn't that special?

10 posted on 03/22/2006 8:06:17 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: bad company

Hey, you're looking at the practical side. :-)


11 posted on 03/22/2006 8:07:01 PM PST by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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To: bad company

Must take an incredibly weak woman to accept such a living arrangement.

Then again, it's the same irony that explains why felons and drug dealers get more ladies than responsible guys...


12 posted on 03/22/2006 8:07:32 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: BenLurkin

No. It means that the left is opening up a new front. They haven't won the first one.


13 posted on 03/22/2006 8:08:08 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: jdm
Both sound painful to me!!!!
14 posted on 03/22/2006 8:08:21 PM PST by Fielding (Sans Dieu Rien)
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To: bad company
Yeah! And if each wife comes from a polygamist family, you could get a dozen new in-laws with each one!

YIKES!!

15 posted on 03/22/2006 8:08:36 PM PST by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: bad company
LOL.

Good point.

16 posted on 03/22/2006 8:09:26 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: neverdem
YOu want to watch a Gay person go into spasms, ask them why a father can't marry his daughter if he gets a vasectomy. The "union" meets all the gay criteria:

It can't produce children

It is all about Love

It is 2 people.

They sputter but can't answer.

17 posted on 03/22/2006 8:10:16 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Diplomacy is what you do after you kick the enemy's ass and define their lives afterward)
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To: SteveMcKing
That happens because responsible guys don't chase women like felons and drug dealers do. Responsible guys also don't pass women around, or marry women who get passed around.

Take a look at some of the women these felons and drug dealers do their thing with. That should explain a few things.

18 posted on 03/22/2006 8:10:20 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: freedumb2003
Oh yeah, forgot about incest. That comes after child marriage.

Gay marriage -> polygamy -> child marriage -> incest -> bestiality

19 posted on 03/22/2006 8:11:26 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: neverdem

I bet that buggary with animals does not offend the LGBT community.


20 posted on 03/22/2006 8:13:26 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: neverdem
As Newsweek notes, these stirrings for the mainstreaming of polygamy (or, more accurately, polyamory) have their roots in the increasing legitimization of gay marriage. In an essay 10 years ago, I pointed out that it is utterly logical for polygamy rights to follow gay rights. After all, if traditional marriage is defined as the union of (1) two persons of (2) opposite gender, and if, as gay marriage advocates insist, the gender requirement is nothing but prejudice, exclusion and an arbitrary denial of one’s autonomous choices in love, then the first requirement — the number restriction (two and only two) — is a similarly arbitrary, discriminatory and indefensible denial of individual choice.

This line of argument makes gay activists furious. I can understand why they do not want to be in the same room as polygamists. But I’m not the one who put them there. Their argument does.

Bump

21 posted on 03/22/2006 8:14:24 PM PST by A. Pole (XIV century English rhyme: "When Adam delved and Eve span, who was the gentleman?")
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To: neverdem
arguing that homosexuality and polygamy are categorically different because polygamy is a mere “activity”

There he goes tying to shove his opinion down our throats. How dare he! /sarc

22 posted on 03/22/2006 8:14:59 PM PST by poindexter
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To: Gordongekko909
Gay marriage -> polygamy -> child marriage -> incest -> bestiality

Gay marriage -> polygamy -> child marriage -> incest -> bestiality -> Hillary Clinton

23 posted on 03/22/2006 8:18:52 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Diplomacy is what you do after you kick the enemy's ass and define their lives afterward)
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To: neverdem
Polygamy does have considerably more Biblical precedent than homosexuality does. Not that I'm advocating it, but it's probably less repulsive than gay marriage.
24 posted on 03/22/2006 8:19:45 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: neverdem

Not Charles Krauthammer at his best. He eviscerates the objections of gay marriage advocates, but his own position is no better.


25 posted on 03/22/2006 8:21:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem
""What is historically odd is that as gay marriage is gaining acceptance, the resistance to polygamy is much more powerful. Yet until this generation, gay marriage had been sanctioned by no society that we know of, anywhere at any time in history. On the other hand, polygamy had been sanctioned, indeed common, in large parts of the world through large swaths of history, most notably the biblical Middle East and through much of the Islamic world."



While I do not agree with his entire article, the above is quite ironic. And who are homosexuals to criticize ANYONE on the merits of what they are claiming to be rights?

Neither should be considered legitimate or legal, IMO. You give one group and inch, they take a mile, and the rest of the groups want their mile too. We think it's bad with the schools teaching of homosexual sex, wait till others get their agenda included!

This country is headed down a slippery slope alright, and not only to h3ll, but to communism as well.
26 posted on 03/22/2006 8:22:57 PM PST by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: neverdem

These guys with all these kids and wives are not supporting them all, maybe a few are but if you look into the whole mess many are on welfare and theres lots of incest involved. I know many families that have a hard time supporting their one wife and family. They dont have the time to give their families that they want to. You tell me how one man can give his children if they number in the 10's 20'and 30's the time each child needs. These sects are known for taking young males out of their families and sending them out in the world at young ages like 14 yrs old with nothing but the clothes on their backs. Just so the bishops and older men can get the young cute girls. And these sister -wives are crazy. How one man can think he can do his best with countless wives and children is way beyond me. All I know is that if my man comes home with a sister-wife for me i plan to hit him hard with a cast iron frying pan and send her out the door with my boot.


27 posted on 03/22/2006 8:23:56 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: neverdem

And what company is going to cover health insurance for you, your three wives and 10 children? Oh wait, the Government will just MANDATE that they do it.


28 posted on 03/22/2006 8:24:09 PM PST by rbg81
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To: neverdem; poindexter
arguing that homosexuality and polygamy are categorically different because polygamy is a mere “activity” while homosexuality is an intrinsic state that “occupies a deeper level of human consciousness.”

The big difference is the children {or lack thereof} that are produced from such unions.

"mere activity"?
Yes, there would be a lot of activity involved in in providing for a family of several dozen.

29 posted on 03/22/2006 8:24:26 PM PST by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: Gordongekko909
"That happens because responsible guys don't chase women like felons and drug dealers do. Responsible guys also don't pass women around, or marry women who get passed around."

I'd be the first to lock those guys away forever, however I mainly blame the girls themselves. Tony Blair said the same thing recently - that most crime and social problems would be solved if only young women would stop choosing loser boyfriends. (Naturally, Tony got steamed for speaking this truth.)

"Take a look at some of the women these felons and drug dealers do their thing with. That should explain a few things."

Surely, however it starts out young. It's a tragic loss when they throw their lives away at 15 or whatever.

30 posted on 03/22/2006 8:25:11 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: Young Scholar

And slavery also had Biblical precedent.

Your point is?


31 posted on 03/22/2006 8:26:54 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: All
My head is spinning.

In my generation, we didn't even sleep with our prospective wives before marriage.

I think I will pack it in; zero out this cra*; and concentrate on honing my hold-em skills.

At least at the poker table I can leave this cultural craziness to the cupcakes that have wallowed in an essentially peaceful world that has afforded them the luxury of dabbling in such trivial matters.

In the not too distant future, when suitcase nukes are triggered at Wall and Broad, all these issues will acquire their proper perspective in the larger scheme of things.

And, I will have been picked up by the Neptune Society -- with a smile on my cold lips.

My timing was perfect.
32 posted on 03/22/2006 8:26:55 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: pandoraou812

There is a family in Ohio who have 31 children. One man and one woman.

10 sets of twins.


33 posted on 03/22/2006 8:28:59 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: jdm

Let me get this right:

The gays steal the "equal rights" campaign from the black activists, and now the polygamists are trying to take the "equal rights" campaign away from the gays, so the gays DON'T LIKE IT???

Who's gonna take it away from the polygamists? Muslims?


34 posted on 03/22/2006 8:29:17 PM PST by demoRat watcher
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Krauthammer has it right in the first part. When the premise that there's nothing special about 1 man and 1 woman becomes the law, then there will be nothing special about a couple. Polygamy will prevail in the courts.

Insurance companies will suddenly be required to cover ALL the "spouses". They'll go bankrupt or quit the business. The Government will say they HAVE to step in with national health insurance.

After that's settled, then they'll proceed to the "inter-generational" relationships and "inter-species" relationships, but it will be too late for civilization by then...

35 posted on 03/22/2006 8:31:46 PM PST by Honcho Bongs (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. - Churchill)
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To: neverdem

On the bright side, since Americans refuse to believe FDR's social security pyramid scheme needs some help, polygamy will certainly accomplish more than homosexuality to fix the system.</sarcasm Neither does anything for a sustainable moral society though.


36 posted on 03/22/2006 8:34:26 PM PST by Muleteam1 (Say it three times really fast - Tackling Texas Taxes a Thankless Task)
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To: freedumb2003

You forgot gay polygamy


37 posted on 03/22/2006 8:35:43 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: JRochelle

That polygamy is certainly no worse morally than homosexual marriage.


38 posted on 03/22/2006 8:36:43 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: neverdem

Polygamy upsets Gays. So does a missing buttplug.


39 posted on 03/22/2006 8:37:00 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Paid for by the Barney Frank for Rear Admiral Committee))))
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To: freedumb2003

Is it incest if two sisters share a husband?
Or a mother and daughter share one?

I've seen shows about those polygamist freaks in Utah and that actually happens.


40 posted on 03/22/2006 8:37:55 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: Young Scholar

Polygamy affects more people though. All the children, who have to get along with all their half-siblings, their many squabbling moms, and one worn out dad.


41 posted on 03/22/2006 8:39:53 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: CJ Wolf
Or bi-sexual polygamy.

Good grief, the possibilities are endless....
42 posted on 03/22/2006 8:41:28 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: demoRat watcher

"Who's gonna take it away from the polygamists? Muslims?"

The Amish.


43 posted on 03/22/2006 8:41:29 PM PST by jdm
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To: Gordongekko909
Nope, child marriage comes next...and then maybe brothers and sisters......
44 posted on 03/22/2006 8:41:52 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: uglybiker

One husband is enough.


45 posted on 03/22/2006 8:41:58 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: bad company

My husband and I watched the HBO show, and it certainly doesn't make polygamy look like fun.

Yeah, the guy gets lots of sex, but all of the wives are demanding things like redecorating their homes, a new car, etc.

It really doesn't look good from a woman's point of view.


46 posted on 03/22/2006 8:43:49 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: neverdem

Better than saying that love between two men means sex.

What a horrible state of society when we relate male bondage, love, admiration, adoration, and mutual respect as homosexual. It is no wonder there is so much violence among the ignorant.


47 posted on 03/22/2006 8:44:00 PM PST by Porterville (Sure are a lot of these few Muslim Extremist Fanatics)
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To: pandoraou812
You tell me how one man can give his children if they number in the 10's 20'and 30's the time each child needs.

An excellent point.

48 posted on 03/22/2006 8:44:01 PM PST by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: neverdem
Polygamy upsets gay activists

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh-haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

49 posted on 03/22/2006 8:45:18 PM PST by XR7
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To: A. Pole

Why do gay activists get mad about polygamy?


50 posted on 03/22/2006 8:46:41 PM PST by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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