Posted on 03/22/2006 8:58:42 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 03/23/2006 2:06:21 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
Re: Your attempt to shut down political free speech on the Internet
John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts to find even one thread, one post, one paragraph, one sentence or even one lousy word posted to this web site that is not fully protected by the First Amendment!
And I will extend that to one chapter, one group, one poster or any group of posters on this forum. Name one assembly, petition, letter, protest, meeting or rally convened, filed, submitted, attended or supported by members of this forum that is not 100% protected and guaranteed as free speech or free assembly by the First Amendment!
Your McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform legislation is a treasonous act. You and your cohorts are attempting to subvert the Constitution of the United States of America, the very same constitution that you swore an oath to defend, so help you God! That makes you a domestic enemy of that great document and a traitor to your country. Yes, and Benedict Arnold was a war hero before he turned traitor too.
How dare you even think that you are qualified to sit in the oval office! Ronald Reagan's office! President? Hah! You miserable excuse for a two-bit political hack, you're not even qualified to shine Ronald Reagan's boots. If you do run, I'm afraid you're gonna be at least one vote short. It'll be a cold day in hell before a traitor like you ever receives my vote. And that's a campaign promise you can take to the bank.
You can take your fascist campaign finance laws and the jackbooted FEC anti-free-speech enforcers you are empowering and put them where the sun don't shine. And if this post is in violation of your unconstitutional law, shove it too!
Paraphrased from In the Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed:
The Beast never dies, it simply changes form. The Beast has known many forms: Bolshevism, communism, Nazism, fascism. The Beast has had many names: Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Tojo, Mao, Pol Pot.
The Beast cannot co-exist with freedom. The very first freedom lost is the freedom of speech, then religion, knowledge and the arts. Anything that empowers the individual must be destroyed. The state must control all.
Power to the state.
Power as an end to itself.
Those who speak out against the Beast are labeled extremists, radicals, warmongers. Churchill, McCarthy, Reagan.
The Beast must be contained, appeased. We must have "Detente" at any cost. Direct confrontation of the Beast must be avoided.
Appease him and pray the wolf may pass our door.
Free speech must die.
The Beast never dies.
Scum bump
Thanks
Both.
Hey Johnny! How goes it in the Bahamas!
Google the phrase "McCain graduated 894th out of a class of 899". Interesting comments come forth.
Not asking anyone to be perfect.
Just thinking maybe they could uphold the Constitution.....
I know..that's just a small thing.
This is unbelievable. McCain KNOWS better- that's part of what is SO infuriating about this. He's turning selling out into an art form.
Hard to believe how much I used to respect and admire this man.
Thanks for the ping.
from wikipedia
When the North Vietnamese discovered he was the son of the Pacific Command Admiral, who was in charge of the US war effort in Vietnam, he was offered a chance to go home, in an effort to embarrass the American military. Senior POWs had ordered there would be no going home unless all went home, and McCain, as did most POWs, followed orders. McCain recorded an anti-American propaganda message, but said he did so as a result of torture.
No. You're the one browbeating everyone to toe the party line no matter how much of a treasonous bastard the nominee is. We won't leave the Republican Party if McCain is coronated as the nominee - the party will have left us.
I love the way some of you assume that nobody ever "does anything" except you.
I never said that you didn't do any work within the party. I'm talking about what you're doing to undermine McCain's potential nomination in order to avoid the nightmare scenario being discussed. From the evidence I see, all you're doing is bettering his chances by screaming at Republicans to stick to the party nominee no matter how much of a dangerous liberal psychopathic treasonous bastard he is.
We need a real conservative for '08 and I can't for the life of me imagine how anyone can support that turn-coat.
Bill Bennett started a good conversation this morning identifying who among the Senate were in fact good conservatives. It was a short list...but there is still hope.
We need to champion the men of principle.
That wik site is not factually reliable.
John graduated 5th from the bottom of the class. I just asked my husband how many in their class graduated. He said 800 and somehing. I am not about to count the photos in his Lucky Bag --- the name of the yearbook.
John was not a serious student. His grandfather and father were Academy men and John was 'expected' to attended. He rebelled... but never enough to flunk out or get expelled. Party time.
Rubbish.
McCain will NEVER get the GOP nomination; I've been saying that for months. In fact, I told that to a Senate staffer in January of 2005 face to face.
And thanks for proving my point; you ASSUME nobody is doing anything except you just because YOU don't know about it.
Flat out lies in that.
You know that anybody and everybody can add and edit content in wikipedia,, don't you?
Too many lazy voters are impressed by his "war hero" status. In my book he lost that through his actions years ago
Yes I do. McCain probably posted that Wiipedia entry himself.
Exactly.. wonder if Hillary dont have some movie reels from her friends in Hanoi of Veitnam of John "servicing" the enemy in the Hanoi Hilton.. or being "used " in some mannar..
The Arizona Republican Party does not listen to the grassroots, rank and file Republicans. The party leadership is beholden to the congressional delegation (which includes McCain) and the RNC. The grassroots was able to unseat a party player RINO, Mike Hellon, as national committeeman against much opposition from the party leadership and even from the dais at the state convention, but that's all we've been able to do so far. Going against McCain will be VERY unpopular with the state party apparatus. He receives 87% of his donations from out of state and can muster millions and millions of dollars for his next Senate race. Defeating that juggernaut is highly unlikely given the lay of the battlefield. However, there is talk of reinstating the Recall McCain effort to either get enough signatures for a recall vote or at least do him enough damage that his political survival is no longer ensured.
I was afraid that you had mellowed, but I see that you have expressed my feelings precisely. Thank you for your continued efforts.
If the Republican Party is stupid enough to give McCain the nomination for president, they could be opening the way for a Third Party Candidate (remember Perot) to give the presidency to Hillary. Only the Unbridaled Arrogance of the Republican Party can put Hillary in Office. The question is will they see the light in time?
Or will the Republicans need to experience the Minority side of the aisle to remember their Contract with America?
RamS
Just kidding!
I dunno... I think you were a bit too subtle here. ;)
WOW Jim, tell us what you really think of this arrogant fellow who keeps riding his ex-POW status, unlike fellows like Sam Johnson who just does his best for his constituants. I too think we need to keep our eyes on this fellow, I don't trust him, although people in AZ have voted him into office many times. He doesn't ring true, no matter how his "Straight Talk Express" tries to show-case him.
It's OK for everyone else to have free speech but not the ordinary Joe.
They can call our President of the United States Hitler or anything else and they think that is OK. The Senators or Congressmen can attack our President and talk about impeachment and whatever else they can talk about. They can throw insults, lies (always lies) and claim this and that without any proof and we're supposed to take it without response?
They want to shut down tax the internet in order to shut down the networking the American public has found. It's an avenue whwere we can speak with one another, inform one another when something is going on and learn the truth...the REAL truth instead of listening to the "antique media" that is here today.
The ordinary citizen has to sit back and listen while some hollywood know it all can go on stage and say what they want without rebuttal from the ordiniary person. Well, with the advent of the internet (thanks, Al) that is all changed. We can speak our minds and voice OUR opinions the same as everyone else. It is our RIGHT. It is however a threat to all of those who would rather we sat back like sheeple and kept our mouths shut. There have been some vicious things said about our President and others that in my mind were treasonist and yet went unpunished. No way will they shut down free speech. The professors in the classrooms get away with their hate filled speech and so the American people will continue to do so. This is a snowball and it's rolling and it cannot...will not be stopped.
God bless Free Republic
Oklahoman GOP grass-roots elected a non-endorsed Tom Coburn....AZ can do it too.
Hey you guys, Clint N Suhks and Brad's Gramma, if you stay home and don't vote, you have lost to the other side.
So your plan is to cross your fingers and hope really hard that McCain won't be the nominee. And in the meantime you're going to beat up on anyone who says that they won't vote for McCain IF he is the nominee. If you're so sure that he won't be the nominee, then why are you wasting your time and everyone else's in this and similar threads insisting that everyone vote for McCain if he is the nominee? Why get so worked up over people saying they won't vote for him and why do you keep throwing up the Hillary as President bugaboo to scare everyone? If he's not going to be the nominee, as you state, then you should just ignore threads like this.
During the 1996 Convention in San Diego, my friend and I went down to the main hotels to see who we would see! There was McCain, standing in the middle of the hallway at the hotel, just saying hi to people...Putting out his hand for people to meet. This was not his convention, mind you. It may sound nice, but it was out and out creepy. Really.
Okay. I'll plead ignorance. Howlin, what specifically are you doing or are you planning to do to undermine McCain? That is when you're not on Free Republic browbeating all of the posters who agree with the Founder of Free Republic in insisting that they won't vote for John McCain under any circumstances?
Thanks for proving my point again..............LOL......you're looking ridiculous.
I see; you're NOT browbeating anybody who doesn't agree with you, right?
You're making my case over and over and over. Keep it up.
gidget7, I know Jeb Hensarling, personally, and if he's behind this I'm for it. He is a real, dyed in the wool, conservative Republican. He is a gem of a fellow to boot.
I came in here agreeing with and supporting Jim Robinson, the founder, owner, and operator of Free Republic. You came in here to play unelected party whip to dilute Jim's comments and keep the traditional party supporters in line just in case McCain does get coronated as the nominee. I don't know what "case" you're talking about, but if I was trying to prove my case as I just outlined, you're proving it over and over again.
Like I said, if you are so sure of your stated prediction that there is no way that McCain will get the nomination, then what the hell are you doing as one of the most prolific posters in this unprecedented thread wherein the founder of Free Republic threw down the gauntlet against that treasonous bastard John McCain.
You're the one who claimed that you are doing work and specifically responded implying that you were doing work to undermine John McCain. When asked what you're doing specifically in that respect you answered this way. Put up or shut up.
I agree a hundred percent. But McCain-Feingold is only one of his many treasonous acts. Although it is receding into the past, the worst of his treasonous acts was to betray the POW-MIAs lost in Vietnam.
McCain has always made a big thing of being a POW and a War Hero, but he betrayed his comrades and his country. That's the worst thing he ever did. He really is the Manchurian Candidate.
No, I didn't; those are words you put in my mouth when I said you ASSUMED nobody is doing anything except you.
Now you can post back to me and say "So you're not doing anything like me? I'm important, see? I'm doing the mostest and the bestest. I'm a better person than you are!"
What I am doing is none of your business; unlike some on here, I don't have the compulsion to puff myself up by denigrading others who don't "share" what they're doing when they're off this board.
My understanding is that he crashed 5 aircraft between the time he started flight training and the time he took aircraft #6 into combat where he was shot down.
Rubbish. Unlike you, I have no agenda on FR; I post my opinions only.
That is correct. His joke nickname was Ace, because he managed to crash five of his own planes. That was before he got shot down on his first mission into Vietnam.
This wasn't just a matter of bad luck. Anyone who wasn't an admiral's son would have been washed out long since for bad attitude and incompetence. How many pilots get the chance to wreck five of their own planes through sheer screwups?
I ignored it.
Scorched Keyboard! Good post!
Tillacum speaks truth. Here's something every freeper should tatoo on their head:
ALWAYS Vote. Always Vote HONESTLY. The IDIOT capitulates by silencing himself.
dung.
Voting honestly means voting for the candidate that will represent you best, even if you have to write it in.
What? He did sign it?
Never mind.
Huzzah!!
Our founder and host takes a strong stand! (For once, I am completely in step here!)
John McCain will NEVER get the Republican nomination. Would that the voters of Arizona had recalled his @ss when they had the chance.
This sentence, along with the rest of your post, is dead on balls accurate.
Let's review, shall we?
In Post #768 I said the following to you:
I got news for you. If McCain is the GOP nominee then Hillary or whatever Dem wins their primary gets the White House. I don't want a Dem in the White House, but I don't want a treasonous bastard like McCain in there either. They're equally dangerous to our country. So, you better get busy and work to ensure that McCain does not win the nomination if you want to see a Republican in the White House. Inaction on this is basically a vote for Hillary Clinton for President. I'm already working on some things to expose McCain and end his political career. You need to get to work too or your worst nightmares will be realized. That is what is at stake and Jim Robinson appears to have recognized that. Get with the program.In response to my specific point about working to undermine John McCain, in Post #811 you answered:
I love the way some of you assume that nobody ever "does anything" except you.Therein, you implied that you were working to undermine John McCain. In disbelief, in Post #857 I responded:
I never said that you didn't do any work within the party. I'm talking about what you're doing to undermine McCain's potential nomination in order to avoid the nightmare scenario being discussed. From the evidence I see, all you're doing is bettering his chances by screaming at Republicans to stick to the party nominee no matter how much of a dangerous liberal psychopathic treasonous bastard he is.
And your response, in Post #861 was:
And thanks for proving my point; you ASSUME nobody is doing anything except you just because YOU don't know about it.So, pleading ignorance and asking for specifics, I stated the following in Post #876:
Okay. I'll plead ignorance. Howlin, what specifically are you doing or are you planning to do to undermine McCain? That is when you're not on Free Republic browbeating all of the posters who agree with the Founder of Free Republic in insisting that they won't vote for John McCain under any circumstances?"
Your response, in Post #878, to my query about the specifics of the work against McCain that you stated you were engaged in was a snotty:
I see; you're NOT browbeating anybody who doesn't agree with you, right? You're making my case over and over and over. Keep it up.
No details yet. My response in Post #880 to your snotty non-response was:
I came in here agreeing with and supporting Jim Robinson, the founder, owner, and operator of Free Republic. You came in here to play unelected party whip to dilute Jim's comments and keep the traditional party supporters in line just in case McCain does get coronated as the nominee. I don't know what "case" you're talking about, but if I was trying to prove my case as I just outlined, you're proving it over and over again. Like I said, if you are so sure of your stated prediction that there is no way that McCain will get the nomination, then what the hell are you doing as one of the most prolific posters in this unprecedented thread wherein the founder of Free Republic threw down the gauntlet against that treasonous bastard John McCain.
Also, in Post #881 I asked again what specific work against McCain you were talking about:
You're the one who claimed that you are doing work and specifically responded implying that you were doing work to undermine John McCain. When asked what you're doing specifically in that respect you answered this way. Put up or shut up.
Unable to put up or shut up, in Post #883 you responded by claiming that you never said that you were working to undermine McCain and then launched into a silly attack against me:
No, I didn't; those are words you put in my mouth when I said you ASSUMED nobody is doing anything except you. Now you can post back to me and say "So you're not doing anything like me? I'm important, see? I'm doing the mostest and the bestest. I'm a better person than you are!" What I am doing is none of your business; unlike some on here, I don't have the compulsion to puff myself up by denigrading others who don't "share" what they're doing when they're off this board.
There it is - all in one place. Anyone can now clearly read your implication that you were working to undermine McCain but when you were pressed for details you claimed that you never said that you were doing such work and then you started attacking me in order to change the subject and deflect scrutiny.
You're not only not working in any observable manner to undermine McCain's rise to power, you're working to his benefit by peppering this unprecedented thread with your party uber alles bullying of anyone who refuses to cast their vote for the treasonous bastard. Jim Robinson has laid down the gauntlet against McCain and this thread serves to rally the troops to bring him down. But you're here handing out the Kool-Aid while trying to douse our torches and blunt our pitchforks. It is not going to work.
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