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Afghan Clerics Demand Convert Be Killed
AP ^ | March 23 2006 | DANIEL COONEY

Posted on 03/23/2006 1:23:54 PM PST by jmc1969

Senior Muslim clerics demanded Thursday that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure and frees him, they will incite people to "pull him into pieces."

"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001.

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1 posted on 03/23/2006 1:23:55 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

If this is a 'moderate'....


2 posted on 03/23/2006 1:24:30 PM PST by sandbar
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To: jmc1969
"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate
3 posted on 03/23/2006 1:25:01 PM PST by Borges
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To: sandbar

nuke the entire middle east + pakistan. Problem solved, it isn't fuzzy math.


4 posted on 03/23/2006 1:25:10 PM PST by Btrp113Cav
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To: jmc1969

How about this novel idea...if they kill this man...then we kill those that called for his death.

Delta Force can make it look like an accident......


5 posted on 03/23/2006 1:25:18 PM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: jmc1969

Well, finally we hear what "moderates" think!


6 posted on 03/23/2006 1:25:28 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: jmc1969
We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die...

Umm, Mr. Sexually-repressed Cleric...shouldn't you let your little tin-god decide whether the guy should decide? Who put YOU in charge, you stinky little worm?

7 posted on 03/23/2006 1:26:20 PM PST by kromike
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To: 8mmMauser

There is NO moderate Islam. There is Islam and there are those that hide in the shadows of Islam until they are called.


8 posted on 03/23/2006 1:26:34 PM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: jmc1969

All things considered, Karzai will be much better of taking those clerics out for execution ~ and the sooner the better.


9 posted on 03/23/2006 1:27:27 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: jmc1969
Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate

The frightening part is that Abdul is a moderate (relative to most Islamics).

10 posted on 03/23/2006 1:27:36 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: jmc1969

Moderate Muslim Nation?


Religion of Peace, right Mr. President?


11 posted on 03/23/2006 1:28:29 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: jmc1969
A member of the English nobility once said "Do remember the Arab understands power and vengence."

Mullahs like these are why G*d invented cruise missiles.
12 posted on 03/23/2006 1:29:03 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: jmc1969
We will not allow God to be humiliated

That is ludicrous.

13 posted on 03/23/2006 1:29:51 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: jmc1969

Muslims are pigs.


14 posted on 03/23/2006 1:30:03 PM PST by right right
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To: MadeInAmerica

Amen. American's must start to realise that ALL Muslim's are not to be trusted. Being Muslim means being Muslim, and taht means eventually they want to either dominate you or kill you.


15 posted on 03/23/2006 1:30:52 PM PST by paguch
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To: jmc1969

Can our troops rescue this fellow and give him asylum in the US?


16 posted on 03/23/2006 1:31:19 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: jmc1969

Isn't this what the Pharisees implored the Romans to do to Jesus? Jewish law at the time did not allow for executions, so the Pharisees (religious leaders of Judaism) got the Romans to do their dirty work for them. Jesus was accused of "blasphemy". This was 2,000 years ago. It seems some areas of the world haven't changed that much. What a tragedy.


17 posted on 03/23/2006 1:31:53 PM PST by khnyny
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To: Btrp113Cav

You do realize that Israel is in the Middle East, right?


18 posted on 03/23/2006 1:32:43 PM PST by dmz
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To: jmc1969

These people don't deserve our protection.


19 posted on 03/23/2006 1:32:56 PM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: jmc1969

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.


20 posted on 03/23/2006 1:33:25 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: jmc1969
"If he is allowed to live in the West, then others will claim to be Christian so they can too," he said. "We must set an example. ... He must be hanged."

Uhh.....I'm speechless.

21 posted on 03/23/2006 1:34:01 PM PST by tsmith130
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To: MadeInAmerica

Sure there are moderate Muslims................. They just want to kill you. The radicals want to behead you.


22 posted on 03/23/2006 1:34:14 PM PST by E.Allen
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To: jmc1969
The article states -- Senior Muslim clerics demanded Thursday that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure and frees him, they will incite people to "pull him into pieces."

Ahhh..., now if only people over here in the United States could "read the tea leaves" about Islam...

When the Muslims are in a position and location of "power" -- they no longer have to hide and pretend to be what they are not (like they do over here in the United States). And these Muslim clerics prove it by their statements, and also by the confidence that they have that the people will follow what they are saying [they are corrrect in that assessment].

Over here, Muslims will practice Takeyya and also the Doctrine of Abrogation -- in order to lie to your face and make you think they are truly a "religion of peace."

Later, when they take over -- here in the U.S. -- they will act in the same way you are seeing them act, where they are in a position of power.

Regards,
Star Traveler

23 posted on 03/23/2006 1:34:16 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: trubluolyguy

"Religion of Peace, right Mr. President?"
----Bush needs to make a quick phone call to Hamid right now and end this. That is if he wants his party to win the 2006 elections. This is ridiculous.


24 posted on 03/23/2006 1:35:13 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: MadeInAmerica

You said -- "There is NO moderate Islam. There is Islam and there are those that hide in the shadows of Islam until they are called."

This is correct. How long will it take for Americans to realize that?

Regards,
Star Traveler


25 posted on 03/23/2006 1:35:23 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: jmc1969

Sorry Bastards! Does anyone notice that Muslims never asked to be understood or sympathized with.


26 posted on 03/23/2006 1:35:35 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: jmc1969
"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001.

When anything concerns Islam, Muslims become totally irrational. The danger is that we are getting more of them in the U.S. and the powerful from George Bush to MSM always serve as their apologists.
27 posted on 03/23/2006 1:35:39 PM PST by BW2221
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To: jmc1969

It is not just a problem in Afghanistan. It is a problem everywhere that muslims rule. Probably without the threat of death, many muslims would leave the religion. They need to tear down their wall of terror.

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy.

Malaysia - Every baby born is automatically Muslim and it is illegal to ever change religion.


28 posted on 03/23/2006 1:36:18 PM PST by Number_Cruncher
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To: jmc1969
Morons of Peace ping.

The world needs to pull this deathcult to pieces. It's time for Allah to die.

29 posted on 03/23/2006 1:36:18 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government "job" attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: jmc1969
They must have a pretty weak god if they're worried about it being humiliated by a mere human...Can anyone imagine God hiding behind the coattails of some idiots that feel He needs protecting? If they really stop and think about it, they are proclaiming themselves more potent than their god and should also kill themselves for this effrontery...
30 posted on 03/23/2006 1:36:45 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

You said -- "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance."

Did you forget your "sarcasm tag"?

Regards,
Star Traveler


31 posted on 03/23/2006 1:37:37 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: GladesGuru

T. E. Lawrence wrote of the Arabs:
"This people was black and white, not only in vision, but by inmost furnishing: black and white not merely in clarity, but in apposition. Their thoughts were at ease only in extremes. They inhabited superlatives by choice. Sometimes inconsistents seemed to possess them at once in joint sway; but they never compromised: they pursued the logic of several incompatible opinions to absurd ends, without perceiving the incongruity. With cool head and tranquil judgement, imperturbably unconscious of the flight, they oscillated from asymptote to asymptote." Although not Arabs Afgans are also people of the desert, and have taken to the same harsh dispostion of heart and mind.


32 posted on 03/23/2006 1:37:58 PM PST by dblshot
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To: GladesGuru

The Afghans are not Arabs.


33 posted on 03/23/2006 1:38:06 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: MadeInAmerica
There is NO moderate Islam. There is Islam and there are those that hide in the shadows of Islam until they are called.

Let's quit with the pretending, Mr. President. We are in the next Crusade & no tolerance to these non-tolerants.

34 posted on 03/23/2006 1:38:12 PM PST by Digger
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To: sandbar; All

Afghanistan has never left the 7th century, and their clerics like it that way.

Islam in such places is, from a "how religion is practiced" perspective, like the western Christian empire in the dark ages, before the Reformation; when Popes "annointed" secular rulers, and could make or break them, and religious apostasy was a capital offense.

Martin Luther began to part ways only at the most "spiritual" transgression of that religious-based rule, with bishops handing out forgiveness of sins for a "donation"; as if that "forgiveness" could even come from them in the first place; like the Afghan clerics demand that it can only be dispensed by them.

They, and their religious attitude is what most offends God.


35 posted on 03/23/2006 1:38:37 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Btrp113Cav
nuke the entire middle east + pakistan. Problem solved, it isn't fuzzy math.

It's looking more like that every day.........

the resulting shangri-la would be bliss......

The only good thing the middle east produces is oil......

In every other regard it detracts from the peace of the planet!!

36 posted on 03/23/2006 1:38:44 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: Star Traveler

YOu don't need one with that statement. It is now the universal term for sarcasm. :)


37 posted on 03/23/2006 1:39:06 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: MadeInAmerica
How about this novel idea...if they kill this man...then we kill those that called for his death.

what a great idea. then we can be just like them.

what do you think separates Christianity from Islam, einstein?

38 posted on 03/23/2006 1:39:22 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (so who are the "baby killers" now, flower children?)
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To: jmc1969
That's ok they are our allies. In fact, when their done hanging this infidel maybe they can work at our ports. We wouldn't want to seem like a bunch of xenophobic rascists and send our friends in the muslim world the wrong message.

Flame away.

39 posted on 03/23/2006 1:39:35 PM PST by MattinNJ (Allen/Pawlenty in 08-play the map.)
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To: All

Condi Rice on Fox now, talking about this case.


40 posted on 03/23/2006 1:40:09 PM PST by tsmith130
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To: jmc1969

So, what was that about Islam being a "religion of peace"? And that guy calling for the death of the man who convert to Christianity is a moderate? So much for that garbage that the moderates of Islam are the "real" face of the religion. This guy sounds like the so-called "extremists".


41 posted on 03/23/2006 1:40:10 PM PST by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Bush needs to make a quick phone call to Hamid right now and end this. That is if he wants his party to win the 2006 elections. This is ridiculous.




Every time he says the phrase "religion of peace" I just start laughing. It's either laugh or vomit.


42 posted on 03/23/2006 1:40:16 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: muawiyah

neither are most of Iranians, but ever since the arabs bum rushed that region and forced everyone to convert to Islam, they are all now one and the same.


43 posted on 03/23/2006 1:40:51 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Borges
"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate"


It gets worse.
There is a guy running as a Republican for congress in Kalifornia.
He's spouting all the "right" conservative party line mumbo jumbo (far too well), but won't answer the question..."are you a muslim?"
We don't need a muslim mole in political office.
44 posted on 03/23/2006 1:41:03 PM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (ACLU = heterophobic, Ameriphobic, brainophobic (CAUTION: I made up some of these words))
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To: khnyny

Excellent point. And the Pharisees were just as spiritually lost as the Muslims.


45 posted on 03/23/2006 1:41:58 PM PST by griz74 (griz74)
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To: Sister_T

convert=converted


46 posted on 03/23/2006 1:43:11 PM PST by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: jmc1969

"Rejecting Islam is insulting God."

This is the genie in the bottle we released - the true face of Islam. Islam has only ONE face - a bad one.

The U.S. should make it perfectly clear that human rights violations, including violations of freedom of religion will simply NOT be tolerated in any of our client states - including Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq.


47 posted on 03/23/2006 1:44:30 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: jmc1969

How maddening.


48 posted on 03/23/2006 1:45:19 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Star Traveler
What is most amazing is that Afghans were doing this sort of thing even way back in the days when bunches of them were Hindus and Buddhists.

You must learn to read between the lines to differentiate between "culture" and "religion" in this part of the world.

Think of them as the nastiest, most clanish, duplicitous, dishonest and sneaky hillbillies you've ever met or heard about.

This is the place the Assyrians took Israel too ~ and Alexander the Great found a wife who could ride horses, hunt, use a rope and a spear, and was flatchested ~ his kinda' girl (although I've seen thousands of others around here from there and they look like normal girls).

They do respond to power, which is why I suggested Karzai taking the clerics out and executing them. It'll get the Americans off his back (about the religion thing) and also get rid of the noisiest, most troublesome of the clerics. Besides, these people are Sunni and they are not supposed to have clerics, so time to purify their mode of worship!

49 posted on 03/23/2006 1:46:05 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: dblshot

I've posted this a couple of times before but at moments like this it begs to be posted again.


Still true a hundred years later. Amazing!

Sir Winston Churchill @ age 24 (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green | 1899


"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism[72 virgins, I'm assuming] deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."


50 posted on 03/23/2006 1:46:25 PM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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