Skip to comments.Afghan Clerics Demand Convert Be Killed
Posted on 03/23/2006 1:23:54 PM PST by jmc1969
Senior Muslim clerics demanded Thursday that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure and frees him, they will incite people to "pull him into pieces."
"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001.
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If this is a 'moderate'....
nuke the entire middle east + pakistan. Problem solved, it isn't fuzzy math.
How about this novel idea...if they kill this man...then we kill those that called for his death.
Delta Force can make it look like an accident......
Well, finally we hear what "moderates" think!
Umm, Mr. Sexually-repressed Cleric...shouldn't you let your little tin-god decide whether the guy should decide? Who put YOU in charge, you stinky little worm?
There is NO moderate Islam. There is Islam and there are those that hide in the shadows of Islam until they are called.
All things considered, Karzai will be much better of taking those clerics out for execution ~ and the sooner the better.
The frightening part is that Abdul is a moderate (relative to most Islamics).
Moderate Muslim Nation?
Religion of Peace, right Mr. President?
That is ludicrous.
Muslims are pigs.
Amen. American's must start to realise that ALL Muslim's are not to be trusted. Being Muslim means being Muslim, and taht means eventually they want to either dominate you or kill you.
Can our troops rescue this fellow and give him asylum in the US?
Isn't this what the Pharisees implored the Romans to do to Jesus? Jewish law at the time did not allow for executions, so the Pharisees (religious leaders of Judaism) got the Romans to do their dirty work for them. Jesus was accused of "blasphemy". This was 2,000 years ago. It seems some areas of the world haven't changed that much. What a tragedy.
You do realize that Israel is in the Middle East, right?
These people don't deserve our protection.
Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.
Sure there are moderate Muslims................. They just want to kill you. The radicals want to behead you.
Ahhh..., now if only people over here in the United States could "read the tea leaves" about Islam...
When the Muslims are in a position and location of "power" -- they no longer have to hide and pretend to be what they are not (like they do over here in the United States). And these Muslim clerics prove it by their statements, and also by the confidence that they have that the people will follow what they are saying [they are corrrect in that assessment].
Later, when they take over -- here in the U.S. -- they will act in the same way you are seeing them act, where they are in a position of power.
"Religion of Peace, right Mr. President?"
----Bush needs to make a quick phone call to Hamid right now and end this. That is if he wants his party to win the 2006 elections. This is ridiculous.
You said -- "There is NO moderate Islam. There is Islam and there are those that hide in the shadows of Islam until they are called."
This is correct. How long will it take for Americans to realize that?
Sorry Bastards! Does anyone notice that Muslims never asked to be understood or sympathized with.
It is not just a problem in Afghanistan. It is a problem everywhere that muslims rule. Probably without the threat of death, many muslims would leave the religion. They need to tear down their wall of terror.
Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.
Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.
Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.
Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.
Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.
Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.
Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.
Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy.
Malaysia - Every baby born is automatically Muslim and it is illegal to ever change religion.
The world needs to pull this deathcult to pieces. It's time for Allah to die.
You said -- "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance."
Did you forget your "sarcasm tag"?
T. E. Lawrence wrote of the Arabs:
"This people was black and white, not only in vision, but by inmost furnishing: black and white not merely in clarity, but in apposition. Their thoughts were at ease only in extremes. They inhabited superlatives by choice. Sometimes inconsistents seemed to possess them at once in joint sway; but they never compromised: they pursued the logic of several incompatible opinions to absurd ends, without perceiving the incongruity. With cool head and tranquil judgement, imperturbably unconscious of the flight, they oscillated from asymptote to asymptote." Although not Arabs Afgans are also people of the desert, and have taken to the same harsh dispostion of heart and mind.
The Afghans are not Arabs.
Let's quit with the pretending, Mr. President. We are in the next Crusade & no tolerance to these non-tolerants.
Afghanistan has never left the 7th century, and their clerics like it that way.
Islam in such places is, from a "how religion is practiced" perspective, like the western Christian empire in the dark ages, before the Reformation; when Popes "annointed" secular rulers, and could make or break them, and religious apostasy was a capital offense.
Martin Luther began to part ways only at the most "spiritual" transgression of that religious-based rule, with bishops handing out forgiveness of sins for a "donation"; as if that "forgiveness" could even come from them in the first place; like the Afghan clerics demand that it can only be dispensed by them.
They, and their religious attitude is what most offends God.
It's looking more like that every day.........
the resulting shangri-la would be bliss......
The only good thing the middle east produces is oil......
In every other regard it detracts from the peace of the planet!!
YOu don't need one with that statement. It is now the universal term for sarcasm. :)
what a great idea. then we can be just like them.
what do you think separates Christianity from Islam, einstein?
Condi Rice on Fox now, talking about this case.
So, what was that about Islam being a "religion of peace"? And that guy calling for the death of the man who convert to Christianity is a moderate? So much for that garbage that the moderates of Islam are the "real" face of the religion. This guy sounds like the so-called "extremists".
Bush needs to make a quick phone call to Hamid right now and end this. That is if he wants his party to win the 2006 elections. This is ridiculous.
neither are most of Iranians, but ever since the arabs bum rushed that region and forced everyone to convert to Islam, they are all now one and the same.
Excellent point. And the Pharisees were just as spiritually lost as the Muslims.
"Rejecting Islam is insulting God."
This is the genie in the bottle we released - the true face of Islam. Islam has only ONE face - a bad one.
The U.S. should make it perfectly clear that human rights violations, including violations of freedom of religion will simply NOT be tolerated in any of our client states - including Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
You must learn to read between the lines to differentiate between "culture" and "religion" in this part of the world.
Think of them as the nastiest, most clanish, duplicitous, dishonest and sneaky hillbillies you've ever met or heard about.
This is the place the Assyrians took Israel too ~ and Alexander the Great found a wife who could ride horses, hunt, use a rope and a spear, and was flatchested ~ his kinda' girl (although I've seen thousands of others around here from there and they look like normal girls).
They do respond to power, which is why I suggested Karzai taking the clerics out and executing them. It'll get the Americans off his back (about the religion thing) and also get rid of the noisiest, most troublesome of the clerics. Besides, these people are Sunni and they are not supposed to have clerics, so time to purify their mode of worship!
I've posted this a couple of times before but at moments like this it begs to be posted again.
Still true a hundred years later. Amazing!
Sir Winston Churchill @ age 24 (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green | 1899
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism[72 virgins, I'm assuming] deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."