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HMMWV, IEDed

Bushmaster

RG-31, IEDed

Cougar H

1 posted on 03/23/2006 6:56:19 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I don't want to say too much, because I know precisely jack about this sort of thing, but this seems to be an instance of the "ready, fire, aim" method of procurement.


2 posted on 03/23/2006 6:59:41 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I'd rather be in a hummer than this.
3 posted on 03/23/2006 7:01:26 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thank you ... very informative article ...


4 posted on 03/23/2006 7:02:00 PM PST by SubGeniusX
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Also, that humvee looks like it was hit with a larger IED than what the other vehicle was hit with.


5 posted on 03/23/2006 7:04:32 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The HMMWV replaced the M151 1/4 ton Jeep, M274 1/2 ton Mechanical Mule, M561 1 1/4 ton Gamma Goat, M718A1 Ambulance, M792 Ambulance, and some M880 1 1/4 ton trucks.

As far as I know the Hummer was never conceived to be an anti-IED vehicle....nor a tank, but it makes a great story for the MSM.

8 posted on 03/23/2006 7:08:24 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Send more Cougars!


13 posted on 03/23/2006 7:23:47 PM PST by ryan71
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
You want at tank, get a tank. You want an armored personnel carrier, get a Bradley or a Stryker.

The Hummer was NEVER intended to be a tank or APC. It is a replacement for the NO ARMOR, 60 hp jeep that had not changed much since WWII.

It is silly to build every vehicle to withstand every possible attack. To do so, you sacrifice mobility and rapid deployment. Often it is more important to get there first than to get there absolutely safely.
18 posted on 03/23/2006 7:40:37 PM PST by taxcontrol
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ping


19 posted on 03/23/2006 7:42:25 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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I have regretfully come to the conclusion that the US is trying to run this war on the cheap and our service personnel pay the price in blood.


46 posted on 03/23/2006 8:17:49 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

See Post #22, certainly matches the reports that I have seen from soldiers and commanders and discussions I have had with same. I think he is spot on, except for the comment on the ASV, and his unit didn't have any of those. ASV armor is insufficient, wasn't designed for the IED fight.

Also, be careful with pictures of burning HMMWV's, many of them burn after the crew has walked away unharmed. Ask BG Karl Horst.

We are sending Buffalos, RG31s, and Cougars into Iraq and Afghanistan as fast as they roll off the assembly line. Don't know if we can increase production by going to other manufacturers.


53 posted on 03/23/2006 8:25:15 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Al Qaida's Best Friends)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

But.. But...
Princess DI and the Hollywood Left told us they STOPPED the use of landmines!!

How could this BEeeeee!


57 posted on 03/23/2006 8:30:29 PM PST by tcrlaf
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The problem is finding a line of equipment that is versatile enough to function in light wars and heavy wars and IED wars. Just as soon as you sink billions into IED proof vehicles someone's gonna start a war that requires light, fast, and durable.

Foolproof, fast IED detection would be a neat direction to go. That would take the IED strategy entirely away from them.


84 posted on 03/24/2006 5:15:17 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Oh...at first glance of the headline, I thought this story might be about something different...


86 posted on 03/24/2006 6:47:21 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
They built vehicles like the Casspir truck et. al. with V-shaped steel hulls that deflect a mine blast to the sides. The mine may blow off the tires, but the occupants have a much better chance of surviving.

Makes sense. What about ground clearance?

92 posted on 03/24/2006 8:44:27 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Has anyone bothered to inform this guy that IEDs are not landmines and typically aren't detonated under the vehicle!?
93 posted on 03/24/2006 8:45:11 AM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I don't think there's really any vehicle that can stand up to a 500lb IED.


103 posted on 03/30/2006 10:58:35 AM PST by Rebelbase (Bush signed CFR. He deserves to be bitched at as much as McCain.)
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