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Scientists Row Over Gosnold Claim
BBC ^ | 3-24-2006

Posted on 03/24/2006 5:04:30 PM PST by blam

Scientists row over Gosnold claim

Scientists still hope to establish remains were Gosnold's

US experts claim that bones alleged to belong to a founder of the country are authentic and a skeleton buried in the UK, thought to be his sister, is not. The archaeologists in Virginia are arguing with UK experts over American founding father Bartholomew Gosnold, born in Grundisburgh, Suffolk.

DNA tests revealed a skeleton buried in Suffolk is not related to the US bones.

US experts claim they have the real Gosnold while UK scientists believe the Suffolk skeleton is authentic.

The British experts believe the body buried at Shelley, Suffolk, is Gosnold's sister, buried in the 1600s, and are casting doubts on the American find.

We are discussing the advisory panel's interpretation with researchers in an effort to reconcile the differences

Bill Kelso, of Historic Jamestowne

US scientists aim to prove the remains found in Jamestown in America were those of Gosnold and claim the woman buried at Shelley was probably not Elizabeth Gosnold Tilney.

Bartholomew Gosnold is said to have founded the first English-speaking American colony in Virginia in 1607.

Nick Clarke, spokesman for the Diocese of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich, said the test results have now been examined by the Advisory Panel on the Archaeology of Christian Burials in England.

New tests planned

The panel has decided that the conclusions drawn by the American scientists remain open to interpretation and that the remains could belong to Elizabeth Gosnold Tilney, he said.

Further tests were carried out on the remains and Mr Clarke said carbon dating put the date of the woman's death at Shelley close to that of Elizabeth Gosnold Tilney, who died in 1646 aged in her late 60s.

This did not exclude the possibility that the Shelley skeleton was that of Anne Framlingham, an alternative that British historians offered when the results of the DNA comparison were revealed.

Bill Kelso, director of archaeology at Historic Jamestowne, said: "We are discussing the advisory panel's interpretation with researchers in an effort to reconcile the differences.

"Until questions about these new interpretations are answered, and we can learn more from further tests, we will continue to rely on the historical and archaeological evidence that so far tips the scale to Gosnold."


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KEYWORDS: claim; dna; grosnold; mtdna; over; row; scientists

1 posted on 03/24/2006 5:04:34 PM PST by blam
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To: Pharmboy; SunkenCiv

History Ping.


2 posted on 03/24/2006 5:05:12 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Jamestown managed to get established right on top of an earlier Huguenot settlement ~ check Jean Bo's house referenced in the report on Martin's Hundred. PLUS, it was downstream from an even older Spanish settlement (at Hopewell).

This tends to create a problem for artifacts, etc. found there ~ it's difficult to tell who left them.

3 posted on 03/24/2006 5:10:33 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: blam
Oh, yeah, almost forgot ~ from 1607 to about 1621/22 there were something like 60,000 people who were brought to Jamestown only to die. Their remains are in a really big hill.

Makes me surprised anyone could possibly be worried about just a couple of skeletons.

Shakespear's daughter ought to be buried there too.

4 posted on 03/24/2006 5:12:46 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: blam; muawiyah
Fascinating stuff. Of course one can concede to the more pragmatic persons, that it is all academic. I find it a lot of fun myself.

Having said that, I resorted to an old friend-demographics. Checking on a new site I contribute to,I find this. There are 58,000 enquiries for SMITH. The enquiries for BAGNOLD are a mere 107. Thus we have a unique name.

I hit the BTT enquiry for names in the British telephone directories. There is only one Bagnold in all London. Only four in Canada.

It should be easy to identify Bagnold, for what it is worth. When the academic and scientific community want a nice job- they always create one. LOL.

Just a delightful change from the worries of this world, though. America's past is an absolute treasure.

5 posted on 03/24/2006 7:02:12 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: blam

Interesting.


6 posted on 03/24/2006 10:25:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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