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Russians gave Iraqis intelligence on US military plans: Report
Hindustan Times ^

Posted on 03/24/2006 5:48:17 PM PST by nickcarraway

The Russian government provided Saddam Hussein with intelligence on US military movements and plans during the opening days of the war in 2003, according to a Pentagon report released on Friday.

The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing an Iraqi document that says the battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam through the Russian ambassador in Baghdad.

A classified version of the Pentagon report, titled "Iraqi Perspectives Project," is not being made public.

Whether by chance or design, one piece of Russian intelligence actually contributed to an important US military deception effort.

By telling Saddam that the main attack on Baghdad would not begin until the Army's 4th Infantry Division arrived around April 15, the Russians reinforced an impression that US commanders were trying to create to catch the Iraqis by surprise.

The attack on Baghdad began well before the 4th Infantry arrived, and the Saddam regime collapsed quickly.

As originally planned by Gen Tommy Franks, the Central Command chief who ran the war, the 4th Infantry was to attack into northern Iraq from Turkey, but the Turkish government refused to go along.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; hussein; iraq; iraqiintelligence; mole; pentagon; prewardocs; russia; sovietunion; teterenko; usmilitary; war

1 posted on 03/24/2006 5:48:19 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I'm going with design. It was always one of my theories anyway..


2 posted on 03/24/2006 5:57:32 PM PST by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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To: MarMema

It didn't exactly translate into a lot of help, did it?


3 posted on 03/24/2006 6:01:44 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: nickcarraway

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1602722/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1602710/posts

Related but not identical threads.


4 posted on 03/24/2006 6:02:49 PM PST by Daralundy
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To: nickcarraway

If we made mugs out of the Russians, it still doesn't excuse their conduct.


5 posted on 03/24/2006 6:11:44 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nickcarraway

I just hope US counter-intelligence was able to find out who the spy was and arranged a trip back to the states in a flag draped coffin.


6 posted on 03/24/2006 6:12:39 PM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

Unfortunately the Russians could have handed the Iraqis the exact war plans the U.S. was going to use but it wouldn't have mattered. Iraq was using Russian training methods for their army and Russian doctrine.

1. Trade terrirotry for time.

2. Regroup gather forces for an overwhelming counter attack.

3. Counter attack when winter sets in.


7 posted on 03/24/2006 6:14:28 PM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: MarMema

Rationalize away to your heart's content.


8 posted on 03/24/2006 6:35:49 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: nickcarraway

Chechnya needs some intelligence...


9 posted on 03/24/2006 6:39:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: nickcarraway

The frogs gave the Iraqi's classified information about our NBC offensive and protection capabilities. Scumbags.


10 posted on 03/24/2006 6:44:54 PM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: DevSix; Criminal Number 18F

Ping, this contains slightly more info.


11 posted on 03/24/2006 6:57:23 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...

putin, kgb thug and murderer ping


12 posted on 03/24/2006 7:21:54 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: nickcarraway

IBTRWC!!!

(In before the russian wives club)


13 posted on 03/24/2006 7:29:55 PM PST by spanalot
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

"3. Counter attack when winter sets in."

ROTFL


14 posted on 03/24/2006 7:31:48 PM PST by spanalot
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To: nickcarraway

Third Country Sales of Arms require that the vendor provide a need before the customer purchases.... In the case of France and NBC equipment or the Russians and their battle plans, its creating the need and then after purchase service to the customer. Remember one thing folks, Russia, France, Germany and other countries lost market share in Iraq (read Customers), and in today's world the countries with access to markets have all the political might and business.


15 posted on 03/24/2006 11:09:12 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Cicero

"If we made mugs out of the Russians, it still doesn't excuse their conduct."

Absolutely correct. Especially since it is starting to look like the Russians may be getting the last laugh in Iraq.


16 posted on 03/25/2006 2:45:29 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: GarySpFc

Hey how about those moles in the command ....


17 posted on 03/27/2006 1:22:38 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: spanalot

IBTRSVRWC.... In before the Russian (SVR) wives club ....


18 posted on 03/27/2006 1:23:33 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

If there are moles in the command, then they should be tried for treason. You might want to look at some of the statements being made. We don't know, but there is some indication the Russians passed misinformation along to fog the Iraqi military minds. Senator Carl Levin hinted at that on a the tv today.


19 posted on 03/27/2006 1:26:41 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

Well of course if moles were suspected, we gave bogus info.


20 posted on 03/27/2006 5:18:57 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GarySpFc
We don't know, but there is some indication the Russians passed misinformation along to fog the Iraqi military minds.

Then why didn't they just join the coalition?

21 posted on 03/27/2006 5:25:18 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Then why didn't they just join the coalition?

Probably for the same reason we did not help them in Chechnya. They would have been over extended, and so would we.
22 posted on 03/27/2006 5:36:17 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Since you speak with contempt towards men married to Russian ladies, then please do not ping or address me again.


23 posted on 03/27/2006 6:06:40 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

I've got no issue with marrying plain old Russian ladies. Didn't you read my post carefully? I wrote Russian (SVR) wives.


24 posted on 03/27/2006 7:14:13 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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