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Russian Gave Saddam US War Plans; Mole Suspected in CentCom
Sierra Times ^ | 3/25/2006 | Jim Kouri, CPP

Posted on 03/25/2006 3:53:07 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

The Pentagon firmly believes that the Russian government gave Iraq President Saddam Hussein United States strategic war plans for the invasion of Iraq.

The Fox News Channel is reporting that the Pentagon believes the Russians had a "mole" in CentCom (US military's Central Command) who passed on secrets to the Russians who in turn passed on intelligence to Saddam's regime.

Documents confiscated by US forces after the Iraq invasion revealed communications between Russian government officials and the Iraqi military high-command before the March 2003 invasion by coalition forces. According to the Pentagon, the communications included handwritten notes.

According to a Moscow journalist, documents from Saddam Hussein’s leadership released by the US government reveal that the Russian ambassador to Iraq disclosed the US war plans to Saddam and his commanders.

Two documents dated March 2003, on the eve of the US-led invasion described details of the US military strategic and tactical plans.

One of the documents is a handwritten account of a meeting between the Russian ambassador Vladimir Teterenko and Iraqi military and diplomatic officials. The document details his description of the composition, size, location and type of US military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan.

The document also includes the deployment numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces and also their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units, according to ABC News.

The second document is a typed account, signed by Deputy Foreign Minister Hammam Abdel Khaleq, which states that Teterenko told the Iraqis that "the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad,"

According to Pentagon, this is exactly what happened. The documents also state that “Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk.” The information was obtained by the Russians from “sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar,” according to the document.

This document also includes an account of an incident in which several Iraqi Army officers (presumably seeking further elaboration of the US war plans) contacted the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and stated that the ambassador was their source. This caused great embarrassment to Teterenko, and the officers were instructed “not to mention the ambassador again in that context.”

Teterenko is mentioned in documents released by the Volker Commission, which investigated the Oil for Food scandal, as receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million.

While the recently released documents are being analyzed by several news organizations and intelligence think-tanks, there exists a classified version of the Pentagon report, titled "Iraqi Perspectives Project," which is not being released to the public.

These disclosures go far in explaining other events that have occurred in Iraq just prior to the invasion that toppled Saddam's regime. For example, sources have claimed that they saw plainclothes Russian military personnel helping with the transport of materials across the Iraq border into Syria. Several intelligence analysts have claimed some of the materials may have been chemical and/or biological weapons.

In addition, former Iraqi Air Force General, Georges Sada, has repeatedly claimed that the Russian military cooperated with Iraq in an advisory capacity and that the Russians were in Iraq right up to the time the invasion began.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is also alarmed about the impact of foreign spies within the United States, especially Chinese and Russian operatives. The Russians have infiltrated both government and private sector organizations. The FBI are suspicious of Russia, Iran, and North Korea but have focused mostly on the Chinese. The feds estimate that the are over 2,600 Chinese front companies in the US.

These new disclosures, plus reports already reviewed, highlight the belief of many that Russia is not an ally or friend of the United States. As we pursue curtailing Iran's nuclear weapons program, Russia is the last country we should trust to broker a deal.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: donttrustivan; iraqiintelligence; prewardocs; russiantreachery
The Russians are our friends. That's why they have aimed their missiles at strategic U. S. targets to protect us.
1 posted on 03/25/2006 3:53:11 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

The mole doesn't appear to have done much damage considering the fact that Saddam appeared to get caught by suprise even after our repeated warnings.


2 posted on 03/25/2006 3:56:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Didn't do him a whole lot of good, did it?


3 posted on 03/25/2006 3:57:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: FerdieMurphy

The mole has soldier's blood on its hands.


4 posted on 03/25/2006 4:09:55 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: Non-Sequitur

We have a lot of moles in this country. Some work for the Pentagon, some for the newspapers and some of them are Senators on the Hill. Our security systems have more holes than a Swiss cheese. I have some respect for a mole that is a paid professional spy, I have none for political whores that give away secrets to hurt our nations present administration or to gain political power. Are you listening Senator Leahy, Senator Rockefeller, Senator Pelosi?


5 posted on 03/25/2006 4:16:21 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Non-Sequitur

We have a lot of moles in this country. Some work for the Pentagon, some for the newspapers and some of them are Senators and Congresspeople on the Hill. Our security systems have more holes than a Swiss cheese. I have some respect for a mole that is a paid professional spy, I have none for political whores that give away secrets to hurt our nations present administration or to gain political power. Are you listening Senator Leahy, Senator Rockefeller,Congresswoman Pelosi?


6 posted on 03/25/2006 4:18:24 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: cripplecreek
Hopefully the CentCom mole investigation was completed before this news story broke.

I mean are we to suppose that recently released declassified documents had this info in them and it was discovered by FOX to the surprise of the FBI?

7 posted on 03/25/2006 4:20:35 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: sgtbono2002

I'm glad your post was doubled! It bears saying twice... or even more!

LLS


8 posted on 03/25/2006 4:23:15 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: cripplecreek

Did you read the documents that stated that Saddam basically had no fear of a US invasion? That he thought we were too casualty adverse to invade Iraq?

Wrong administration, Saddam.


9 posted on 03/25/2006 4:24:10 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: FerdieMurphy
"These new disclosures, plus reports already reviewed, highlight the belief of many that Russia is not an ally or friend of the United States. As we pursue curtailing Iran's nuclear weapons program, Russia is the last country we should trust to broker a deal."


Thank God for the Sierra Times and Jim Kouri.

And here both I, and the administration, were certain that the Ruski's were our friends and allies since 1944!

Now that they have been exposed as possibly not working in our best interests, maybe we can start nuking all those countries that work against our interests in the world.

Russia, then France, then Germany, then Pakistan, then China, then California, then the DNC, then Wal-Mart, then ...




10 posted on 03/25/2006 4:26:01 AM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: FerdieMurphy

what about a mole in MSM


11 posted on 03/25/2006 4:30:41 AM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: CheyennePress

When I put all the pieces gathered from numerous stories about the war (most of them gathered from FR) I'm led to believe that the Russians were working both sides like they always do. (as do we)

There were stories that claimed they were telling saddam that there would be no American invasion. There were stories that said they were feeding us information on Saddam.

In the end Saddam didn't appear to be expecting to see tanks rolling into baghdad. He even left his bridges intact for use after the war.


12 posted on 03/25/2006 4:31:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
I'm not a fan of isolationism but I think we would be better off doing our own thing and the hell with these so called "allies". Look at all the trouble we had with the UN trying to get these people to go along with the invasion of Iraq. They were all feeding at the trough and even though they smile to our faces they would do anything to see us go down.

Imagine what this country would be like if all the money we pour into trying to make friends were put into America. (Crap, we could all be on welfare and have money left over and when we needed anything, just go take it from what ever country had it. sarcasm.)

13 posted on 03/25/2006 4:42:51 AM PST by depenzz (Success is going from one failure to another failure without losing enthusiasm)
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To: FerdieMurphy; All

Who is the traitor, within the government that discolsed the secrets? Any guesses, anyone?


14 posted on 03/25/2006 4:42:57 AM PST by Wiz (Nightmare of the Information Warfare)
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To: G.Mason

"Russia is not an ally or friend of the United States"


People are forgetting the "dialectic"...


15 posted on 03/25/2006 4:46:18 AM PST by freedom4me
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To: FerdieMurphy

Mole Suspected in CentCom

Gerldo Rivera?


16 posted on 03/25/2006 4:52:27 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: FerdieMurphy
These new disclosures, plus reports already reviewed, highlight the belief of many that Russia is not an ally or friend of the United States.

I am sure that our government never thought that Russia was an ally but hoped they would become one.

Russia is a Communist country, Putin is nothing but a dictator dressed up to look like a President.

Spys are nothing new, what is upsetting is that there are so many that go undetected.

I have often wondered if the people that tell the newspapers what they shouldn't are actually working for those that hate and want to destroy us.

17 posted on 03/25/2006 4:53:16 AM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Depending on the source of the report, there seem to be several stories regarding this.....

One is that Central Command were overheard thru listening devices planted in the room used by them.

Two is that someone traitorous inside Central Command told the Russians.

Three is that the Americans purposely were giving false info to the Russians because they knew the Russians would give it to Saddam. (maybe they started giving false info after they suspected the Russians)

Also, I read that someone saw this story on BBC several yrs ago.


18 posted on 03/25/2006 4:57:28 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: FerdieMurphy

Saddam's army must really really suck because we still, very handily, defeated them.


19 posted on 03/25/2006 5:00:07 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: cripplecreek

"didn't appear to be expecting to see tanks rolling"

But apparently, he had enough of a heads up to get his wmd's out of iraq.


21 posted on 03/25/2006 5:03:35 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: tkathy

public hanging of a couple of those people will put an istant stop to it.... instant!


22 posted on 03/25/2006 5:03:42 AM PST by Bubba (Cut terriorists three ways... Long, Deep & Continuously!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
How many moles in the DNC?

I'll be the entire former Soviet Politburo secretly directs the Democrat Party.

How else could one imagine such an anti-American cadre of kooks?

23 posted on 03/25/2006 5:04:05 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Related...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2006/03/russians-passed-sensitive-invasion.html


24 posted on 03/25/2006 5:05:51 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: CheyennePress
"... That he thought we were too casualty adverse to invade Iraq?"

I think if the death toll had been in the hundreds or thousands during the initial invasion of Iraq public support for the war would have dropped like a stone.

Our troops did as well as they did because they are the most highly trained and capable military force in the world. It has nothing to do with the "current administration" or his leadership.

Our soldiers fight and live because they are trained to do so. Not because President Bush is "leading" them to do so.

25 posted on 03/25/2006 5:12:16 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does. Islam is as Islam allows.)
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To: cripplecreek

Saddam appeared to get caught by suprise even after our repeated warnings.


My thoughts exactly, but another thought entered my mind. Who is the mole that informed the Russians of our plans? We need an investigation into that SASP.


26 posted on 03/25/2006 5:12:54 AM PST by chainsaw ( ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
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To: LibLieSlayer
I'm glad your post was doubled! It bears saying twice... or even more!

Here, here! And there are A LOT more names that could be added to the list, such as Feingold, Reid, Murtha, Biden, Clinton, et al.....

27 posted on 03/25/2006 5:16:30 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: cripplecreek

"The mole doesn't appear to have done much damage "

I am not sure about that - there were several deadly ambushes of US troops that might have been arranged only with the help of the Russians.

Putin needs to go.


28 posted on 03/25/2006 5:17:01 AM PST by spanalot
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To: chainsaw
Who is the mole that informed the Russians of our plans? We need an investigation into that SASP.

Obviously. It seems that people in our government agencies are just doing whatever the hell they please these days. Look at the idiot who screwed up the Moussoui trial. She knew better but she did it anyway and I personally suspect intentionally.
29 posted on 03/25/2006 5:17:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: manwiththehands

Well, it does have to do with the administration's willingness to speak firmly and follow through with more than more hollow rhetoric.

Granted, the administration had nothing to do with the mission or its successes directly, but that mission would not have taken place had our military not been put in motion by those who were willing to allow it to perform its function when needed.

I don't doubt your assessment of public support. Just note that Saddam Hussein mentioned our withdrawal from Somalia over the death of 17 troops. He essentially estimated the US's fight to be equivalent to Amnesty International's.


30 posted on 03/25/2006 5:21:11 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: freedom4me
"People are forgetting the "dialectic"..."


That went over my head. Whom is the "the" you refer to?

I can only add, that reality is most difficult for many to grasp, and only then as their world collapses.




31 posted on 03/25/2006 5:21:24 AM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Egberto

or Saddamn just turning the channel to CNN.


32 posted on 03/25/2006 11:18:13 AM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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To: FerdieMurphy
It matters not (obviously) how much pre info Saddam had about a US invasion, when one brings a knife to gun fight the outcome is going to be obvious.
33 posted on 03/25/2006 11:20:22 AM PST by drypowder
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To: FerdieMurphy

The mentality of mindless economic globalization is as wise as the mentality of liberalism.


34 posted on 03/25/2006 11:23:45 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; bannedfromdu; Beckwith; ...

How many of these leaks were Jag Off lawyers commissioned/appointed by the Clintoons and Jake Reno.

Just more proof of why liberals shouldn't be in our military.


35 posted on 03/25/2006 11:25:52 AM PST by Grampa Dave (How long has the NY Slimes, Compost, and LA Slimes been Enroning (cooking) their books?)
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To: Dustbunny
Russia is a Communist country, Putin is nothing but a dictator dressed up to look like a President.

Let me correct that first sentence. Russia WAS as Communist country.

It ain't peaches now but it is not under the likes of Breshnev and Andropov. And there is somebody to thank for that.

36 posted on 03/25/2006 11:26:12 AM PST by Draco
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To: Draco

Actually, it appears to be reverting back to what it was.


37 posted on 03/25/2006 12:37:08 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: nuconvert

Also, I read that someone saw this story on BBC several yrs ago.<<<

Forgive my poor memory, but maybe it will jog someone else's.

Early in this Iraq war, there were reports of a Britan newsperson, who had gathered up a part of the papers that were abandoned and that he took them home and published them.

I do not recall his name, nor the paper, but do not think that what I read was BBC.

I do recall Freepers talking about them and thinking that we didn't know if he had published all the papers.

So somewhere there is an old thread, or more than one, about those papers.

He took only a box full, it bothered me at the time, I think they came from the war department in Bagdad, but do know they left Iraq, according to the reports then.


38 posted on 03/25/2006 2:08:17 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (TODAY WOULD BE A GOOD DAY FOR LOTS OF HEAVY PRAYING, THE WORLD NEEDS YOUR PRAYERS.)
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To: Wiz
"Who is the traitor, within the government that discolsed the secrets? Any guesses, anyone?"

Pick a senator, any senator.

39 posted on 03/25/2006 2:14:38 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Dustbunny
Actually, it appears to be reverting back to what it was.

We ain't much different in the USA, every 4 years or so we conservatives have to campaign to keep the liberal/communists out of our government.

40 posted on 03/25/2006 2:20:36 PM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: freeangel; cripplecreek
"didn't appear to be expecting to see tanks rolling"

But apparently, he had enough of a heads up to get his wmd's out of iraq.

Shhhh!!! You're not supposed to point out contradictions like that! ;-)

Seriously, though, there's not necessarily a contradiction....he might have wanted them out to evade inspectors. But what it really points out yet again is that President Bush made a terrible error in highlighting the WMD reason for invasion when we had all the justification in UN resolutions/violations of ceasefire.

And if we just HAD to talk about WMD, we didn't have to chase phantoms--Iraq was KNOWN to have yellowcake and lowgrade uranium, monitored by inspectors--until Saddam stopped allowing the inspectors in.

41 posted on 03/25/2006 2:26:28 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Egberto
This not a work of a mole, just survaillance and reconnaissance satellites or space orbital group assets that track movement of troupes and their preparations. It is a work of a comparable adversary.

My thoughts, too.

"the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad,"(sic)

“Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk.”
Those wiley Americans! Who woulda guessed that plan! Evading cities, up Euphrates from Basra, take Kirkuk oil fields? Who woulda guessed THAT?

I think that the deployments and common sense made all of those very likely.

However, the classified report might give better reason to suspect the mole.

42 posted on 03/25/2006 2:33:59 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The Pentagon firmly believes that the Russian government gave Iraq President Saddam Hussein United States strategic war plans for the invasion of Iraq.

This has to be completely false. After all the MSM told me that Bush had no plan at all, Pelosi told me, Boxer told me, Murtha says it, Kerry says it...... /sarcasm
43 posted on 03/25/2006 2:36:37 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: cripplecreek
The mole doesn't appear to have done much damage...

One has to wonder how much the inside information was used to foment and plot the "insurrection" that goes on hourly.

44 posted on 03/26/2006 4:34:04 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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