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Law HR4437; A Little Too Far? (Illegal Immigration)
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Posted on 03/25/2006 12:11:23 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007

This is a post on another forum from a Mexican concerning the HR4437 that was passed by Congress and will be signed into law pending the President's seal of approval.

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This is NOT a political slam post, this is NOT going to argue for one side or another. This is a WARNING for those who will be affected by this announcement and a strong urge to either do something about it or prepare for the consequences.

This past week, Congress passed the first of a new slew of immigration laws, law HR4437. While many don't mind them cracking down and appreciate the new temporary worker programs being set up and laws to give many illegal immigrants visas, this new law may ruin the lives of American born citizens who simply LOOK like they may be from another country.

THIS POST ONLY INVOLVES INFORMATION FOR HR4437.

This new law is NATIONWIDE. It requires any immigrants or people with temporary visas to waive any and all rights to due process in case of a criminal charge (no matter how minor, including traffic violations). While this may not seem so bad, this is very bad when you take into consideration that if a police officer pulls you over, he or she has the right to ask any and all passengers for their ID. This law includes that anyone who helps an immigrant or someone who can't prove that they are from the US or have a genuine visa ON THE SPOT can be arrested. This means that if you cannot prove you are legally in the US, EVERYONE in the car can be (and most likely will) arrested and those without proof will be immediately handed over to the office of immigration and be DEPORTED WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OR A TRIAL.

This may not seem all that likely to you guys, but if this law passes, you will have no right to question it AT ALL. If you have no ID or visa on you at that time, you will be denied a lawyer, contact with any family, and immediately deported to whatever country they see fit. Your only available option will be to leave the couontry yourself, and if you do not, you will be put on the wanted list by the police and the next time you suffer a violation, you will pay a higher fine, be arrested, and deported with no options whatsoever, not even to tell your family or get money out of the bank.

Here's the lowdown by each section of the law.

Section 201, 4, iv: Any immigrant or suspected alien who cannot prove legal residence or citizenship can be deported for any criminal activity in the past 15 years regardless of the previous law limiting that date back to Sept. 30'th 1996. (In order to prove citizenship, you must provide a government issues ID a social security card, and a birth certificate. If 2 or all of these are missing or found to be fraudulent, YOU WILL BE DEPORTED, regardless if you legitimately cannot find them or if they were stolen.)

Section 202, Section 274, entirety: If any person (regardless of citizenship) can be confined up to 5 years if he simply DRIVES an illegal immigrant or person who cannot prove citizenship around town, as well as aiding, employing, housing, loaning money to, or helping with financial problems. If the person who is charged can be proven to have financially gained from helping at least 2 such people, then the imprisonment terms can be UP TO TWENTY YEARS IN A STATE PENITENTARY WITH A 3 YEAR MINIMUM, depending on the circumstance. For employers of such people, they can face a prison term of up to 5 years and/or be fined heavily. It continues to say that ANY property that was involved in breaking this law WILL be confiscated to the government, meaning that EMPLOYERS WILL LOSE THEIR BUILDING AND BUSINESS TO THE GOVERNMENT. OTHER PEOPLE CAN LOSE THEIR HOMES, VEHICLES, AND PLACES OF EMPLOYMENT WITH NO POSSIBILITY OR PERMISSION TO ARGUE AGAINST THE MATTER IN ANY STATE OR FEDERAL COURT.

Section 204, section 274 continued: this section allows the suspect to prove his citizenship only in court, but later DENIES THE RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS. Since the right to due process is later denied, the suspect will not be allowed to present his case and will be considered an illegal alien and be deported, as noted in section 208.

Section 208: This section gives the suspect 120 days to exit the country on their own given that they sign A WAIVER TO ANY RIGHTS TO PROTEST THEIR DEPORTATION, REGARDLESS OF ANY EVIDENCE OF CITIZENSHIP OR NATIONALITY PROVEDED AFTER THE FACT. The ruling judge can also shorten this time to however short he sees fit. If the suspect does not leave the country within the designated time, they will be fined $3,000 dollars, will be deported, and will not be allowed entry into the country for 10 years on any visa.

Section 402: The suspect can be detained in ANY penitentiary that the government sees fit, regardless of any additional crimes committed or not. This not limit the amount of time a suspect can be detained before being deported; the previous limits were for those who simply AIDED the suspect.

Section 407: If the country of the suspect's nationality or ethnicity refuses to accept the immigrant, any and all immigration of citizens of that country may be halted until the country in question accepts the deportees. This will give the government an excuse to stop all immigration from countries that may deny a criminal from re-entering their country.

Section 802: The revocation of a genuine visa regardless of circumstance may not be reviewed in any court in the United states and the immigrant will be deported and not allowed to re-enter for 10 years. This means that ANY LEGAL IMMIGRANT who aided a suspected illegal immigrant will suffer the same consequences.

Section 803: Anyone pending deportation may only object to their deportation and attempt to prove their legal right to be in the US if they are not guilty of aiding an illegal immigrant in any of the aforementioned ways may do so in the DC circuit. HOWEVER, this must be done BEFORE THE DEPORTATION, hence the suspect must sign the contract allowing them to leave on their own. This not only LIMITS THEIR ABILITY TO DO SO WITH A TIME LIMIT OF 120 DAYS OR LESS AND MUST FILE WITHIN 60 DAYS, but the point is NULLIFIED SINCE THEY MUST SIGN A WAIVER OF THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST THEIR DEPORTATION IN ORDER TO LEAVE THEMSELVES. If they try to protest while still imprisoned pending deportation, and thus have not signed the waiver, they have only a matter of days, and since they cannot claim their right to habeus corpus, the court will refuse to consider the appeal since the suspect cannot be present for their appeal. THUS ANYONE WHO WANTS TO APPEAL THEIR DEPORTATION ON THE GROUND OF BEING A US CITIZEN OR A LEGAL IMMIGRANT AND IS INNOCENT OF HELPING AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT OR OTHER SUSPECT CANNOT LEGALLY DO SO AND WILL BE DEPORTED ANYWAY!

And finally, Section 809: Any alien who obtains a non-immigrant visa automatically waives any rights to appeal or argue their case if they are suspected and arrested for any of the above charges. This means that any person with a non-immigrant visa (meaning a temporary one or a work visa) IS DENIED DUE PROCESS IN THE CASE OF BEING CHARGED WITH ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, NO MATTER HOW MINOR (as shown in the earlier sections showing what criminal charges are grounds for deportation, which is actually ANY criminal activity), AND THUS WILL BE DEPORTED WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF APPEAL.

This may seem unreal or as though it will not affect you, but here is my personal reason for alarm. If my mother is driving me to work, we get pulled over for whatever reason, and I don't happen to have my ID with me, WE BOTH WILL BE ARRESTED AND DEPORTED WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF APPEAL. We wouldn't be able to re-enter the country for 10 years. My grandmother will lose her business, my mother will lose her house and car, and this will happen REGARDLESS OF THE FACT WE CAN PROVE WE ARE CITIZENS.

This new law strips me of my basic right to live in thsi country given to me because I AM A CITIZEN. IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND HAS NO SAFEGUARDS. EVEN IF THE PERSON THEY CHECK FOR ID IS A CHILD AND WOULD REASONABLY HAVE NO ID ON THEIR PERSON, ANYONE CARING FOR THE CHILD CAN BE DEPORTED, INCLUDING TEACHERS, DAY CARE PROVIDERS, PARENTS, SIBLINGS, DOCTORS, ETC.

All because I am Mexican and can simply be suspected of being an immigrant.

This law can ruin my life, and it can strip me of everything I own and have worked for if I simply don't have my ID when an officer asks it of me FOR ANY REASON, EVEN IF THERE IS NO CRIMINAL CHARGE INVOLVED.

Tomorrow there is a march in LA specifically against this law. I would go were is not for the need for someone to run the business. My mother donated 1,000 dollars and 500 refreshments for marchers tomorrow and will attend herself. If this law is signed, our lives could be changed by a simple slip of not carrying our ID's on our person or being caught with someone who does not have their ID.

There is nothing more I can say, but know this: THIS IS NOT A JOKE, AND THIS LAW HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED BY CONGRESS. THE LAST STEP IS FOR PRESIDENT BUSH TO SIGN IT. I BEG YOU, SO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO HELP STOP THIS SPECIFIC LAW.

Links for information:

Official recording in the House: http://www.rules.house.gov/109/text/hr4437/109_hr4437_text.pdf

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:XIRm9VQlrnUJ:www.ilrc.org/HR4437.html+HR4437&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-rights-immigration-march.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
(This NY Times article leaves out the fact that HR4437 has already passed Congress, but warns of additional laws that will strip rights of those suspected of being immigrants. It does include information about marches against the signing of this law by President Bush.)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: borderpatrol; congress; hr4437; immigration; mexico; southernborder
Here was my reply.

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It was only a matter of time. The illegal immigration has been going on virtually uninhibited for so long that, eventually, a law passed to curtail it would be a bit loony.

Although the rights of due process under American law apply only to American citizens (not illegal immigrants), that this passed bill would provide no means by which any immigrant with a visa can provide their ID before being deported for any reason is ludicrous.

Although I am in support of President Bush on most matters, there are some areas where I just can't along. Illegal immigration ("Doing the jobs Americans won't do," eh? Well, they're jobs Americans USED to do before illegal immigrants started doing them for dirt cheap prices that employers wouldn't be able to get away with a normal citizen). Spending (here's a hint; curtailing the growth of spending is not the same as cutting spending). Campaign finance reform (First Amendment issue, bub).

Considering Bush's stance on the illegal immigration issue, it's possible he might veto this. I wouldn't get your hopes up, as Bush has yet to veto a SINGLE bill to cross his desk. Fortunately, if this bill becomes law, the SCOTUS (Supreme Court Of The United States) will probably be brought to decide its constitutionality in court. And the odds of it being struck down in the Supreme Court are good, as the two newest Justices - Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel Alito - are both strict interpreters of the Constitution.

I have to say that this whole illegal immigration mess would clear up almost immediately if two things happened.

1) A wall is built, spanning the entire length of the border with Mexico (and I mean a REAL wall, not the dinky barbed wire fences that you use to keep cows in. Something like the wall between Israel and Syria). The one for Canada can come later.

2) Track down those employing illegal immigrants and sentence them with jail time for aiding criminals (which illegal immigrants technically are, as entering the country illegally is a crime). The labor market for illegals would dry up in a heartbeat.

I have to say illegal immigration is a slap in the face to immigrants who came here legally and worked hard to get where they are. Illegals can simply get a fake ID and start working immediately (with help from the ACLU at that). Oh, and they also go to an Emergency Room for everything. They get free care, and the taxpayers have to pick up the bill.

Meh.

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I'm all for stopping illegal immigration, but does this law go a bit too far?

1 posted on 03/25/2006 12:11:25 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: HiJinx; DaveLoneRanger

Ping!


2 posted on 03/25/2006 12:11:43 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hitler and Stalin have nothing on Abortion)
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To: curmudgeonII

Ping.


3 posted on 03/25/2006 12:16:51 PM PST by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

This past week, Congress passed the first of a new slew of immigration laws, law HR4437. While many don't mind them cracking down and appreciate the new temporary worker programs being set up and laws to give many illegal immigrants visas, this new law may ruin the lives of American born citizens who simply LOOK like they may be from another country.



Have a birth certificate?

How about a (real) Social Security Card?

Citizenship is easily proven.


4 posted on 03/25/2006 12:17:47 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I agree, this abuse has gone on for long enough. It is time to clean house, and if this President has to be thrown out in order to get it done, then so be it.


5 posted on 03/25/2006 12:18:56 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Well, number one, the sections of code to which he repeatedly refers are not quotations of the sections, but actually his own interpretation (or whoever he got his talking ponts from) of the code. It's hard for me to get too worked up over what he thinks of the law. If he had actually quoted the law, and then added his criticism of it, I would be more likely to want to listen to what he has to say.


6 posted on 03/25/2006 12:19:42 PM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Not too far at all.


7 posted on 03/25/2006 12:20:46 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
this new law may ruin the lives of American born citizens who simply LOOK like they may be from another country.

They are starting up this profiling crap argument again.

8 posted on 03/25/2006 12:20:58 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Mike Darancette

That's exactly why many of my hispanic friends don't want the illegal aliens here. That and they don't want their wages driven down any more than I do.


9 posted on 03/25/2006 12:24:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: ARCADIA
and if this President has to be thrown out in order to get it done, then so be it.

LOL! Pick that up at the DU again?

How are you going to throw him out? LOL!

10 posted on 03/25/2006 12:26:56 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; All

The illegal aliens and the criminals who hire them and the criminals who harbor them are getting out in the street making their desires known. It is way past time those of us who support the rule of law and secure borders did the same.

Join Veterans for Secure Borders, The Minuteman Project, Latino Americans for Immigration Reform, Mothers Against Illegal Aliens, and other groups protesting amnesty for these criminals, and demanding the government protect our borders.

http://www.areckoning.com/

FReepers should be at this rally in strength. Saturday, May 6, in Crawford, TX.


11 posted on 03/25/2006 12:28:01 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: bill1952

Its called impeachment; and while it shouldn't happen for a bogus thing like the anto-terrorist measures that those on the DU want to impeach him for; it should be considered if he continues to harbour the criminal importation and use of illegal labor. He is the nations chief enforcement officer and he has not only failed to enforce the law, but has actively undermined the effort.


12 posted on 03/25/2006 12:32:03 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Um, all I had to read was the first sentence of the proposed law and it said "CAN be deported for ANY CRIMINAL ACT in the last 15 years."

a) Don't be a criminal.

b) Don't be an illegal.

You're safe.

13 posted on 03/25/2006 12:38:18 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: andyk
the sections of code to which he repeatedly refers are not quotations of the sections, but actually his own interpretation (or whoever he got his talking ponts from) of the code.

Let's repeat that for everyone who might not realize it. For example, the post includes this:

Section 201, 4, iv: Any immigrant or suspected alien who cannot prove legal residence or citizenship can be deported for any criminal activity in the past 15 years regardless of the previous law limiting that date back to Sept. 30'th 1996. (In order to prove citizenship, you must provide a government issues ID a social security card, and a birth certificate. If 2 or all of these are missing or found to be fraudulent, YOU WILL BE DEPORTED, regardless if you legitimately cannot find them or if they were stolen.)

On the other hand, here is the actual text of the referenced Section: `(iv) regardless of whether the conviction was entered before, on, or after September 30, 1996, and notwithstanding any other provision of law (including any effective date).

Obviously, it has nothing to do with people being deported because their identification was stolen. It just says you don't get a pass because your conviction was a certain number of years ago. This is hysterical nonsense. There should be an examination and discussion of this legislation, but this does not provide a vehicle for it.

14 posted on 03/25/2006 12:46:53 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Later bump


15 posted on 03/25/2006 12:57:45 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Mike Darancette
"this new law may ruin the lives of American born citizens who simply LOOK like they may be from another country.

They are starting up this profiling crap argument again."

If they don't speak English, they probably shouldn't be here...
16 posted on 03/25/2006 1:18:04 PM PST by babygene
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

We need to send a strong message to the president, congress, the republican party, main stream media, and the public at large...


There will be NO discussion of "Guest Worker" programs, or immigration reform until the Borders Are Secured..

Border Security is Priority #1....
Not "Economic Vitality"...
Not Immigration Reform...
It's National Security...

Deal with the immigration laws that presently exist and ENFORCE THEM...

National Security depends on Secure Borders..


17 posted on 03/25/2006 1:48:12 PM PST by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: babygene

I work at a highly ranked world known college, (Not Yale, thank God), and while in the break room one day last week, two people who speak Mexican (it's NOT Spanish, ya know), were in there with me. We were all talking in English.

One of them said something to the other in Mexican, as I was walking out, after getting my turn at the coffee machine. The 2nd one said "Oh, it's ok, he'd better learn Spanish."

It took just about ALL my brains to not wheel around throw my coffee at the fella and remind him that the United States of America has a language of the land, and it's NOT Spanish, or Mexican. Even in Texas, we speak our version of English, and if he wants to have communications with me, that's what he WILL speak.

I was very very very VERY ticked off, and it did in fact, ruin my otherwise wonderful day.


18 posted on 03/25/2006 2:01:12 PM PST by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: ARCADIA; All
How about, its called thinking in bizzaro land, as in yours?

While no one is much more anti-immigration than I, why don't we have a small wager on your line of thought?

I'll bet $300 that he finishes out his term unless he dies or falls ill.
Thats $100 for each year left of his term.

Just for kicks, I will pay triple if he is impeached and removed from office.
How are those odds? To be sure, I'm all for wagers above that amount. 8^) Thrown out. LOL!

19 posted on 03/25/2006 2:07:19 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: LS
Um, all I had to read was the first sentence of the proposed law and it said "CAN be deported for ANY CRIMINAL ACT in the last 15 years."

"CAN SHALL be deported for ANY CRIMINAL ACT in the last 15 years."

See the law can be made better.

20 posted on 03/25/2006 2:46:03 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

No.

Unless they cut both of my hands off, my fingerprints are in the NCIS database. Same for my Naturalized wife.

When I leave the house, I have my driver's license with me.
ID is not an issue for me.

I live less than 40 miles from the border with MX.


21 posted on 03/25/2006 3:01:43 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Personal responsibility...

If you're a foreigner living abroad, you'd best be prepared to prove you have the legal right to be there at any time.

With the prevalence of the ACLU, and all the other screaming-meemie Meatheads, there is no way that people would not be given a reasonable chance to prove residence. A 30-day trial waiting period is unnecessary. We're just talking about deportation. In the extremely unlikely instance that someone were actually wrongly deported, I'm sure the Mexican (or whatever foreign) government would help them in any way necessary to get back.

HB 4437 is a well thought-out piece of legislation that will have exactly, precisely, the intended effect: slowing or halting illegal immigration. Thus the reason its' detractors are so rabid in denouncing it... ...it would actually work, so they're doing everything in their power to stop it.

22 posted on 03/25/2006 3:52:21 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: babygene
They are starting up this profiling crap argument again." If they don't speak English, they probably shouldn't be here...

Nope. Just if you can't prove you are a citizen of the USA you cannot be employed or get any goverment services here.

23 posted on 03/25/2006 4:26:07 PM PST by Mogollon
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To: CowboyJay
" If you're a foreigner living abroad, you'd best be prepared to prove you have the legal right to be there at any time."

Your absolutely right. I've done my share of traveling outside our country. I ALWAYS make sure I have my papers in order. I would expect to be detained if I did not.
24 posted on 03/25/2006 4:57:59 PM PST by babygene
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To: babygene

I am really surprised that the bill got this far! But HAPPY about it. What surprises me is that many construction and business owners (Repubbies) hire illegals. Will this pass? I'm anxious to find out. If it doesn't, I will blame the Repubbies.


25 posted on 03/26/2006 7:06:51 AM PST by Fawn (Need advice on speeding ticket.....)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

You need to read the bill.


26 posted on 03/26/2006 7:40:11 AM PST by AliVeritas (“Pacifism is objectively pro-Islamo-Fascist.”)
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To: AliVeritas

I am. I'm already seeing contradictions with what the Mexican said. (rolls eyes)


27 posted on 03/26/2006 10:35:01 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hitler and Stalin have nothing on Abortion)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Shouldn't Mexico reform its OWN immigration laws before complaining about ours? Here's a potentially astonishing related thread which details how FLAGRANTLY anti-gringo Mexico's immigration laws are compared to our own:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1602610/posts

Can you believe it? Why doesn't the media cover this information (yet)? That would set the race-baiters still in their tracks!


28 posted on 03/26/2006 1:25:34 PM PST by Shuttle Shucker
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To: ARCADIA
PASS BILL 4437 IMMEDIATELY AND STOP ALL ILLEGALS FROM COMING IN AND DEPORT THE ONES HERE NOW!!
29 posted on 03/27/2006 4:11:15 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: acrosoc101

Would it be considered spamming to send emails to everyone of them?

I sent an email to Frist yesterday.

Cornyn MAY do something constructive but Hutchison WON'T!


31 posted on 03/27/2006 9:21:58 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: acrosoc101

Okay DONE!


32 posted on 03/27/2006 9:28:45 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: ARCADIA
You are an idiot. Why should we allow illegal immigrants into this country ? People who are here illegally should be departed it unfair for those who obtained a legal citizenship the proper way for illegals to stay here. People say owe we need illegals cause they do jobs Americans wont. The reason why cause they do it for less. Now, if those businesses are enforced by the department of labor for better wages I guarantee Americans will take the job. And why should illegals have American right they only deserve human rights here not American rights they have not earned that privilege. Hence they are not Americans. My point you came here for a better life now you dont like cause of the laws. Wasn't this the same reason you left your own country ? Instead of rioting here you should of done it there in the first place.
34 posted on 04/02/2006 11:39:38 AM PDT by coolgy25 (All for HR-4437)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
No the law should be enforced harder and HR-4437 does just that. It's always better to be stricked then lenient. It teaches people a lesson for years people have been walking in and out of our country with out being stopped or checked . Also not going through the proper channels its a slap in the face to those who did go through the proper channels to be here . This law should be enforced.
35 posted on 04/02/2006 11:44:07 AM PDT by coolgy25 (All for HR-4437)
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To: babygene
This is not profiling cause any law enforcer can do it of any nationality. Look if you can't prove you belong here then you shouldn't. American's and people who came here legally have been slapped in the face far to long by people who came here illegally it is time to drop the hammer on there butts
36 posted on 04/02/2006 11:52:10 AM PDT by coolgy25 (All for HR-4437)
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To: coolgy25
You are an idiot. Why should we allow illegal immigrants into this country ?

I don't know what you think I've posted but I am 100% on your side on this. These protest have me so wound up that I am avoiding this subject on this forum all together. I will get back to it when I am again able to carry a civil conversation on this. Try not to blow a gasket...and watch that aim.. ;-)
37 posted on 04/02/2006 11:59:07 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA

k must have read your blogg wrong but i am glad you agree


38 posted on 04/02/2006 12:02:10 PM PDT by coolgy25 (All for HR-4437)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

"this new law may ruin the lives of American born citizens who simply LOOK like they may be from another country."


BS, and the bill doesn't go far enough.


39 posted on 04/02/2006 12:07:20 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

It all sounds good to me, the only thing that's missing is a the elinination of any and all social services by any government agency.

I don't know about other states but in CA, any citizen who doesn't qualify for a DL because of age or revocation can be issued an ID from the DMV.

It's always been my understanding that it'a illegal not to have ID on your person no matter where you are.


40 posted on 04/02/2006 12:13:02 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: coolgy25

"If they don't speak English, they probably shouldn't be here..."

The above was my post on #16. The rest was Mike's which I was responding to.

BTW, I'm not against profiling I think more of it should be done.


41 posted on 04/02/2006 12:55:28 PM PDT by babygene
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