Posted on 03/25/2006 1:05:50 PM PST by jveritas
In page 3 this Saddam Regime document ISGZ-2004-019744.pdf dated February/3/2003 there is a request to supply Chemical gear for the Chemical group. This document is a letter from an Iraqi “Export and Import Company” Vendor” addressed to the Iraqi Army “Commission Of Equipment” stating his pleasure to provide the Chemical Gear for the Chemical Group and he goes into Chemical gear equipment he can provides. This Chemical Group is part of the Feedaeyeen Saddam as other parts of the document indicate.
Beginning of the translation page 3 of the ISGZ-2004-019744.pdf :
In the Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate
To the Secretary/ The Commission of Equipment
Subject: Equipping The Chemical Group
Best Salute
I am pleased to present an offer (The Assembly against the Chemical Strike) and it contains the following parts:
1. Uniform.
2. Gloves.
3. Mask.
4. Shoes
5. Hat
Knowing that this assembly is from Belgian origin. Please inform with the extent of your need of this assembly and the quantity (Since the price is connected to the quantity) and as soon as possible to allow us to agree to import it to the country and as soon as possible.
This and accept our best appreciations considering ourselves faithful soldiers to serve this country under the Leadership of the redeemer Saddam Hussein (God protect and shepherd him) and from victory to victory and from God the success.
Signature…
Wadah Abdel Wahed Al Rawi
Al Mansour/ Al Andalos Street 611/ drive 10/ Al Baali Building PhoneL 5436500
3/2/2003
End the translation of page 3.
Yes that would be an offensive unit,....right!
Keeping digging in those 40,000 boxes...the truth is out there.
Agreed.....I doubt one document would have a smoking gun, they probably made sure they destroyed the cache of such,....but by inference we can get some ideas,....course the MSM will be working hard to prove otherwise....
I'd be very surprised if we found a smoking gun. Unless there's a handwritten note to Saddam that says something like, "Take the WMDs here" with a hand-drawn map showing a road to Syria, I doubt we'll get a "smoking gun." These documents, taken in their totality, are continuing to bolster what most of us agree was a good cause to begin with ... the invasion and regime change in Iraq. The preponderance of the evidence continues to mount, and the smoking gun is the documents as a whole.
Agree.
I think that much can be gained from determining if this was declared activity or not.
Hold on for a minute and I'll get Koffi on the phone and get that question answered post haste! /sarc.
Wether these tidbits were declared or not does more than infer, imho.
That presumes that stories of WMD being moved to Syria are false. Their is a hypothetical that allows both to be true. Perhaps Saddam did not have artillery WMD munitions, but did have WMD munitions deliverable by plane or helicopter. So therefore, the artillery was a rouse, but the air munitions were taken to Syria. He was not able to use his air force due his loss of control of all airspace. And any planes or helicopters were taken out during the initial air strikes. That may explain why the Soviets gave up and moved them out, hypothetically.
BTTT
So President Bush did not lie to us about Iraq WMD's if these two documents are telling about Chemical activities and even if we assume that its purpose were to fool his military and make them think that they still have WMD. If his military was deceived by him on the WMD issue all the way till the end, then the "Left Lie" that President Bush lied to us on Iraq WMD is being destroyed more and more by these documents.
Great point.
See this lengthy and fascinating analysis from the documents by wretchard at Belmont Club:
Friday, March 24, 2006 Criswell predicts ...
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The other striking thing in Document CMPC-2003-001950 was why the Russians should be particularly worried about the smallest component of the deployment:
4- The ambassador pointed that what worried us (most probably “us” refers to the Russians) was the increase in the number of planes in Jordan where the number of planes in Al Sallt base was as follows: 24 planes F-16 10 planes Tornado 11 planes Harrier He also mentioned that there were 10 A-10 tank destroyers in the Jordanian base of King Faysal.
Why were these relatively small forces so worrisome? My guess is their location near the Iraq-Syrian border and the composition of these air units were suggestive of support for an air assault attack on traffic to and from Syria. What was moving between Iraq and Syria that would be of concern to the Russians?
Foxnews is not reporting on these documents because they believe what some intelligence people (mainly bureaucrats) are saying, and that is there is nothing important in these documents. Foxnews is not the best investigative news outfit, and they spend much more time talking about tabloid news than the real news.
"I'd be very surprised if we found a smoking gun. Unless there's a handwritten note to Saddam that says something like, "Take the WMDs here" with a hand-drawn map showing a road to Syria, I doubt we'll get a "smoking gun." "
See post 31 and bold type for smoking gun by inference.....
I've had differences with you in the past but I am 100% behind your efforts here... you are the man!
"So by INF ERENCE
Can't we say that the Chemical Group is an Offensive group!!!!"
I think it's a reasonable inference that the Iraqi Army was preparing for chemical warfare. Now, since the U.S. hasn't used chemical weapons since 1918, had signed agreements banning their use, and was publically in the act of destroying chemical stockpiles, whose chemical warfare was the Iraqi Army preparing for?
thank you for adding me to the ping list! Can someone explain why the documents are divided into three different sites and why the documents from the (also here) site don't seem to have any translations?
Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents
Also here
Documents from the Harmony Database
I borrowed eyespysomething's ping list this time, it's actually her list ... Iraqi freedom documents are taken from Iraq; Harmony database documents are from Afghanistan and "and here" is tied to the operation iraqi freedom docs, just a different link that sometimes automatically pops up.
Do I not recall that our troops discovered lots of this chemical weapons protective gear during the initial days?
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Yes, and our troops found supplies of atropine pre-loaded syringes, that also were purchased from foreign suppliers (French?). Apparently every Iraqi commander knew that he and his troops did not have chemicals but were told that the commands to their right and left had them, so all had to be prepared for the activation of the chemicals against the invading forces. All were shocked that no chemicals were used.
Remember the chickens that our troops took on the march, to be their early warning system, their canary in the coal mine?
Some of the items we found when we entered Iraq were all these chem-suits and atropine injectors. I always believed they had them for more than just a fashion statement.
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